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Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
Like wtf is this

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Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
Wtf is this

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Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

AJA posted:

Wait, all Ukranians??

I mean, I was kinda OK at first with like, 20% of Ukes being Nazi. I mean, it's only fair. Azov, and things, and other things. And then I read through GBS and, yeah, ok, 50% seems reasonable. Whatever helps 'Murican Hegemony and all.

And...and then, i admit, it got weird and I did get a bit brain-poisoned, and I did consent GBS to blood-lust me like one of their French whores....

But, holy poo poo ALL Ukranians?!?!?1



....oh, motherfucker

This is some sa 2004 style poo poo dude terrible post

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Aesop Poprock posted:

Like wtf is this


You can find some percentage of Nazis in probably any western military. It's not great obviously, Nazis are horrible, it'd be better if they were all gone.

But on the other hand, that's probably < 1% of the people defending Ukraine, so why does it matter? Ukraine isn't prosecuting a war of aggression to kill Jews, they're defending against an unprovoked invasion by Russia. What's Nazi about that?

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Cicero posted:

You can find some percentage of Nazis in probably any western military. It's not great obviously, Nazis are horrible, it'd be better if they were all gone.

But on the other hand, that's probably < 1% of the people defending Ukraine, so why does it matter? Ukraine isn't prosecuting a war of aggression to kill Jews, they're defending against an unprovoked invasion by Russia. What's Nazi about that?

"It's ok, only a lot of official pictures from Ukraine show soldiers with Nazi tattoos" is a weird defense of any military

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Aesop Poprock posted:

"It's ok, only a lot of official pictures from Ukraine show soldiers with Nazi tattoos" is a weird defense of any military

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
You idiots, do I hope Ukraine wins against Russia? Of course. Because anything that fucks Putin over is good. Is Ukraine the ideal candidate? gently caress no there's a ton of far right idiots in the military forces

TEMPLE GRANDIN OS
Dec 10, 2003

...blyat
cool posts comrade 😎

AJA
Mar 28, 2015

Aesop Poprock posted:

This is some sa 2004 style poo poo dude terrible post

Evergreen for my posting, but you still read it. Lolzers and ROFLCOPTERS and such


All Ukranians, obviously

(also, correct me if I'm wrong, but that was later proved to be a Russian POW, and not a Ukranian soldier?

Nowher
Nov 29, 2019

pack your bags
Bask in the glory of my enlightened centrism.

frumpykvetchbot
Feb 20, 2004

PROGRESSIVE SCAN
Upset Trowel
could you kindly just gently caress off you dipshit.

freelop
Apr 28, 2013

Where we're going, we won't need fries to see




https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...ember-2022.html

Whoops that one is a Russian

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
Stop pretending to be leftists and accept what's happening here. A far right force is defending itself against another far right force

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

Aesop Poprock posted:

You idiots, do I hope Ukraine wins against Russia? Of course. Because anything that fucks Putin over is good. Is Ukraine the ideal candidate? gently caress no there's a ton of far right idiots in the military forces

buddy you are 5 out of 8 posts on this page. take a breather

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:
lmao every time one of them wanders in

protip: report, ignore, and move on. They never say anything new, it's is the same broke-brained garbage as always

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
Do you really need me to show more actual examples because they're everywhere

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Aesop Poprock posted:

You idiots, do I hope Ukraine wins against Russia? Of course. Because anything that fucks Putin over is good. Is Ukraine the ideal candidate? gently caress no there's a ton of far right idiots in the military forces

And? there are a ton of far right idiots in the military almost everywhere in Eastern Europe, not to mention America itself. Under the backdrop of an existential war, far right idiots are small potatoes at the moment. If Ukraine's western allies thought that far right idiots were enough of a concern to not send them military aid, the extent of military aid given them wouldn't have been anywhere near what you see being donated at the moment.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

tiaz posted:

buddy you are 5 out of 8 posts on this page. take a breather

No poo poo dude you guys have this weird waterhole for this One Specific Leftist Type that I stumbled upon and it's a ridiculous self enclosed ecosystem and you're mad I'm here so I'm gonna get swarmed

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Aesop Poprock posted:

You idiots, do I hope Ukraine wins against Russia? Of course. Because anything that fucks Putin over is good. Is Ukraine the ideal candidate? gently caress no there's a ton of far right idiots in the military forces

Well gosh, what country do you think should be invaded by fascists so that it becomes moral to fight fascist invaders? Maybe we can pitch that to Putin.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Aesop Poprock posted:

Stop pretending to be leftists and accept what's happening here. A far right force is defending itself against another far right force

Cool, can you point out how much actual political influence your so-called "far-right force" had in Ukraine's government post Maidan?

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
Based solely on the images I'm seeing in this thread (Only nazi stuff and bridge stuff) a bridge must have been destroyed for having Nazi graffiti on it. So whoever forcibly removed it did the world a service, be they Russian or Ukranian.

Molothecat
Jul 25, 2007

Wrath, hate, pain, and death!

Aesop Poprock posted:

I dunno man I was gungho Ukrainian at first but everyone seems to be a nazi or a trump-esque stand in now. I don't trust either of them

wow, man, both sides, huh? pretty wild insight

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

RandomPauI posted:

Based solely on the images I'm seeing in this thread (Only nazi stuff and bridge stuff) a bridge must have been destroyed for having Nazi graffiti on it. So whoever forcibly removed it did the world a service, be they Russian or Ukranian.

I mean depending on how you look on the bridge, the far right DID collapse

grats everyone we did it

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

zone posted:

And? there are a ton of far right idiots in the military almost everywhere in Eastern Europe, not to mention America itself. Under the backdrop of an existential war, far right idiots are small potatoes at the moment. If Ukraine's western allies thought that far right idiots were enough of a concern to not send them military aid, the extent of military aid given them wouldn't have been anywhere near what you see being donated at the moment.

Yeah but what are we doing here? Are we doing strategic weakling strategy against a foreign opponent aka Russia? What happens if Ukraine regains it's territory? Next step? Is china going to get involved? Who is going to stabilize the region?

god please help me
Jul 9, 2018
I LOVE GIVING MY TAX MONEY AND MY PERSONAL INCOME TO UKRAINE, SLAVA
That bridge got loving rekt, lmao.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Aesop Poprock posted:

Do you really need me to show more actual examples because they're everywhere
So if a far-right nut job with an AR-15 went into a crowded theater full of families and started shooting, you'd just sit idly by because someone told you one of the people inside was a Nazi?

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Molothecat posted:

wow, man, both sides, huh? pretty wild insight

Yeah it's wild that sometimes arguments enter into south park territory when it's far right idiots vs weirdo hyper capitalists

Orio
May 16, 2022

Aesop Poprock posted:

Yeah but what are we doing here? Are we doing strategic weakling strategy against a foreign opponent aka Russia? What happens if Ukraine regains it's territory? Next step? Is china going to get involved? Who is going to stabilize the region?

Lmao I don't think you get to post pictures of Russian nazis while lying about them being Ukrainian, and then immediately go back to "asking the big questions."

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Aesop Poprock posted:

Yeah but what are we doing here? Are we doing strategic weakling strategy against a foreign opponent aka Russia? What happens if Ukraine regains it's territory? Next step? Is china going to get involved? Who is going to stabilize the region?

The region was perfectly loving stable until Puccia decided invading Ukraine in 2014 was a good idea because Stalin forbid any country exist, that might make Puccian serfs think there might be a better life out there than what they have, right? Pooh Bear already washed his hands of the Ukrainian affair and told Puketin to pound sand.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Cugel the Clever posted:

So if a far-right nut job with an AR-15 went into a crowded theater full of families and started shooting, you'd just sit idly by because someone told you one of the people inside was a Nazi?

Weird hypothetical that doesn't apply to a full scale invasion

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Don't usually get drive bys on a Monday, ignored.
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Any word if the railway bridge was hit?

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Aesop Poprock posted:

Yeah but what are we doing here?
Helping a democracy repel an invading dictatorship

Jesus Christ dude

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Aesop Poprock posted:

"It's ok, only a lot of official pictures from Ukraine show soldiers with Nazi tattoos" is a weird defense of any military

"Its OK to allow full occupation and genocide of the entire 40+ million country because I have seen pictures of soldiers that might be theirs with Nazi and extreme right tattoos" is a weird ideology to take and defend on the Internet.

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jul 17, 2023

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Aesop Poprock posted:

Weird hypothetical that doesn't apply to a full scale invasion
"Your point destroys my argument and therefore I refuse to respond"

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Aesop Poprock posted:

Weird hypothetical that doesn't apply to a full scale invasion
How so?

Molothecat
Jul 25, 2007

Wrath, hate, pain, and death!

I'm glad a free thinker has shown up to enlighten the thread while constantly dropping "am I right, fellow leftists?"

HolHorsejob
Mar 14, 2020

Portrait of Cheems II of Spain by Jabona Neftman, olo pint on fird
Good thing the RuAF are only shooting, shelling, mining, and disappearing the far right in ukraine and leaving everyone else alone.

Just let them win and we'll be that much closer to a world-spanning leftist utopia in no time

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

quote:

Why does the CIA support Solidarity? Because -- as the WSJ's nervous editorial shows -- the CIA, the AFL-CIO, the U.S. ruling class, in fact everyone but the public, from whom the truth has been withheld, knows that Solidarity is as reactionary as they come. It is a fascist organization, not unlike Hitler's, resembling nothing so much as the Moscow and Warsaw "communists" whom it opposes so bitterly. Solidarity not only tolerates but also itself promotes anti-Semitism: Unsigned leaflets at Solidarity's summer congress hinted darkly at Jewish figures in the union; questions were asked at some union meetings about the role or presence of Jews; in Solidarity's large Warsaw branch. a 'true Poles' faction grew up, a throwback to eruptions of bigotry in pre-World War II Poland. (V. Hamill, Washington Post, December 26 1981).

The WSJ's Frederick Kempe, who attended the Gdansk Congress of Solidarity (September-October 1981) wrote that about 100 of the 800-plus delegates were “at least sympathizers” of the KPN, a conservative, nationalist group “tainted with a history of anti-Semitism.” Marian Jurczyk, Solidarity vice-president for Szczecin and presidential candidate, used anti-Semitism to attack the Polish government in an October speech (New York Times, January 9 1982). Solidarity has adopted Josef Pilsudski, prewar fascist dictator of Poland, as its hero, renaming the Gdansk shipyards after him on 11/11/81.

Under Pilsudski unions were busted, workers shot down, opponents tortured, concentration camps set up (after a visit from Goebbels in 1934, accompanied by officially tolerated pogroms), and anti-Semitic laws enforced. Leaders of Solidarity include members of the prewar Polish Socialist Party and Home Army veterans; both groups were anti-Semitic. The Polish Catholic Church, also powerful in Solidarity, has a disgusting history of anti-Semitism. In 1936 Cardinal Hlond, Primate (until 1948) of Poland, wrote in a pastoral letter, read aloud in all churches: “The Jewish influence upon morals is fatal.” Jews, he continued, spread fraud, usury, white slavery, and pornography. Good Christians should boycott them.

In Poland as elsewhere racism is used to divert the workers' movement towards scapegoats, away from its real enemies, and into pro-capitalist directions. The same Solidarity Congress that invited Kirkland voted to urge Poland join the International Monetary Fund (i.e. an end to subsidies for workers in food, housing, etc.) and directly approved a price increase and renunciation of free Saturdays! As for Walesa, he is an enthusiastic supporter of Reagan (Evans and Novak, New York Post, December 8 1980) and of capitalism. Walesa met secretly with the presidents of Ford, General Dynamics, Westinghouse, and big shots from IBM, Heinz, TWA, etc. in Paris in October to discuss how he was going “to be able to control the workers' movement”(Le Canard Enchaîné, December 16 1981). For – as all good capitalists agree – the bankers must be paid. It should perhaps sadden, certainly enrage, but not surprise us to see Shanker and the AFT promoting racist, anti-worker gangs like the CIA and Solidarity. Shanker supported the Vietnam War and calls himself a "certified hawk"; he holds office by corruption and the “unit rule” in NYC and NY State AFT. He and Walesa are birds of a feather, loyal supporters of big business, enemies of workers everywhere, clones of one another just as are the CIA and KGB, or Reagan and Brezhnev. A real workers' revolt, here as in Poland, would be directed first against these wolves in sheep's clothing, traitors who prey on the crying needs of workers and others for a better life.

Grover C. Furr, in 1982

Intense concern about fascists as a way to discredit Eastern European resistance - or at minimum, to argue that the Western left should stay its support - has a long pedigree.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Cicero posted:

Helping a democracy repel an invading dictatorship

Jesus Christ dude

Huh ok president Johnson deporting troops to Vietnam immediately

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zone
Dec 6, 2016

Just Another Lurker posted:

Don't usually get drive bys on a Monday, ignored.
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Any word if the railway bridge was hit?

Railway bridge was apparently undamaged according to pro-Russian sources

Aesop Poprock posted:

Weird hypothetical that doesn't apply to a full scale invasion

Also just as an FYI dude: the "far right country" actually had no far right parties or coalitions win a single loving seat in the 2019 election. Just in case you needed to know.

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