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Night10194 posted:The problem is 'we want to sneak our own vision in there' coming from people whose past body of work shows their vision isn't very good. James is a pedophile now Edit: his wife was also a murderer
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Disposable Scud posted:Also LOL at doing the "you did a bad thing" with Blair Witch of all things. Bloober stinks. Blair Witch wasn't that bad. The ending in the house was spooky. Observer was also pretty good. The medium and layers of fear 2 stink.
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Instant Grat posted:My big Resident Evil safari has reached RE0 after going through REmake, RE2make, RE3make, and the PS3 release of Code Veronica (thank god the PS3 store still technically works) RE fans are wrong about hating RE0
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the biggest pitfall of an SH2 remake is if you get one part wrong, it all goes wrong. dead space was just a pretty good shooter with an “event horizon + zombies” coat of paint, there was plenty of room for innovation and little risk in sticking to the formula, but every part of SH2’s vaunted atmosphere relies on every other part - the muted and spacy voice acting, the animatronic monster design, the sopping wet environmental presentation. the “nightmare” regions are far more subdued than most other horror games and the characters drag themselves through them with detached exhaustion. none of this is a good fit for Bloober, who have what can kindly be called a maximalist approach when they’re not straight-up plagiarizing everything
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veni veni veni posted:Blair Witch wasn't that bad. The ending in the house was spooky. Observer was also pretty good. The medium and layers of fear 2 stink. I thought the Medium was actually good up until the big reveal of dude sexually assaulting a kid, and then the story taking you into this pedophile's brain to show that you the reason he did was it nazi germany killing his jewish childhood crush! Wow! What the actual gently caress??? That part, and the ending. I did actually like that the initial cutscene where the protag seems to be talking about someone was foreshadowing her sitting down to explain it to someone that actually happens later on. But yeah gently caress the ending. Ugh. Even worse since it's basically just Trolley Problem but you kill yourself or the rape victim, and even if you kill yourself you still left the rape victim to deal with the horrible psychic monstrosity stuck in her head till she dies while also dealing with the guilt that her sister killed herself for her. What the actual gently caress did I just type out? jfc.
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I never even got the far. I just thought the whole thing was super boring and quit after about 4 hours
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Professor Wayne posted:RE fans are wrong about hating RE0 i agree. that leech man is loving creepy
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Discendo Vox posted:There are plenty of other issues, but in some respects the Lakeview Cabin IP does this. It does but Lakeview is just in another world entirely in its vision
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Jul 16, 2023 04:12
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I’m playing the OG Dead Space and this turret section can eat my butt to smithereens
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sponges posted:I’m playing the OG Dead Space and this turret section can eat my butt to smithereens God, that sucked. Maybe Bloober Team can take some solace in not having created a gameplay moment that was that bad.
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sponges posted:I’m playing the OG Dead Space and this turret section can eat my butt to smithereens pretty sure it's doing exactly that
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Oxxidation posted:the biggest pitfall of an SH2 remake is if you get one part wrong, it all goes wrong. dead space was just a pretty good shooter with an “event horizon + zombies” coat of paint, there was plenty of room for innovation and little risk in sticking to the formula, but every part of SH2’s vaunted atmosphere relies on every other part - the muted and spacy voice acting, the animatronic monster design, the sopping wet environmental presentation. the “nightmare” regions are far more subdued than most other horror games and the characters drag themselves through them with detached exhaustion. none of this is a good fit for Bloober, who have what can kindly be called a maximalist approach when they’re not straight-up plagiarizing everything You're correct, there's a lot of "subtlety," for lack of a better term in the Silent Hill games. It's all just atmosphere and nothing was really in your face but god drat did they ramp up the tension. SH1 and 2 are Slow Burn: The Game, but everything Bloober does is more in line with like modern horror films with vibrant colors and a jump scare around every turn. Another place where I feel a remake will ruin the game is the ugliness. Silent Hill 2, (and 1, but that's not getting a remake) looks like dogshit in HD, they're one of the few games where I think being in ugly and in standard definition allows your brain to fill in a lot of the gaps. I know there's a really good "Enhanced edition" that has high res textures and all that, but it makes the game way too clear. I dunno, maybe it's my old brain being dumb but a lot of creepiness of SH1 and 2 was letting my imagination go wild when it came to filling in the details. I'm really liking the recent renaissance of PSX style indie horror. sponges posted:I’m playing the OG Dead Space and this turret section can eat my butt to smithereens If you're on PC, just do this with a mouse, it trivializes the whole thing. I swear to god they had to have designed this with a mouse in mind because it's awful on a controller. I'm so glad they aborted that poo poo with the remake.
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veni veni veni posted:I agree there isn't much to be optimistic about with SH2. Just saying that those statements are mostly pretty standard for remakes. The big issue is that a lot of people don't like the developer to begin with, not that they plan on putting their own spin on parts of the game. I'd love it if they could do a good job of it but I have 0 confidence that they will based on past output
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Morpheus posted:James is a pedophile now James repeatedly walks up and down the same hallway to see Laura running into a wall over and over
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SH2 is a good example of working within limitations to produce something better looking because the infamous fog layer looked really great on tube televisions and absolutely horrible in HD.
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I played it on PS3 and never had any problems with that section. Iirc it's randomly generated so you may get a smooth ride or you may get just blasted in a way that you don't stand a chance
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I was such a huge fan of Silent Hill 1 when it came out that when I first saw the previews for 2, I was actually let down since I thought it'd be more of the rust-and-cult of the first game. I got my wish with 3 on that, but I did immediately love 2 when I played it because of how intense the horror ended up being from the other direction. 2 was a much more slow, suffocating, 'drowning' kind of horror, compared to 1 being a lot more heated and menacing in its approach.
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To be honest I feel like SH2's success ended up being kind of a poison pill for the series because so many of the later games end up trying to recapture that magic rather than doing something new. It's an odd thing where at some point someone got it in their head that Silent Hill's "thing" is that it's an evil town that reflects the protagonist's own traumas back at them but of the original Team Silent games it was actually just SH2 that was like that.
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Tbf evil, sentient towns who hate and lure people to them like a venus flytrap rules as a concept
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I played Barotrauma, which I think constitutes a horror game, but also is just one of those comedies where everything absolutely goes wrong and aliens tear everything apart. Poke having your reactor run out of fuel just as you're watching a pack of sonar pings rush towards the ship, or trying to repair things without realizing that there's something in the ballasts absolutely tearing poo poo apart. Or when, after fighting a husk of a person being puppeted by a parasitic organism, you suddenly realize there's something wriggling in your throat and maybe you need to get to a doctor Right Now. We've only done the easier missions but I've seen some gameplay from later when the things you're fighting are distressingly big.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Tbf evil, sentient towns who hate and lure people to them like a venus flytrap rules as a concept Imo they should have just stuck with that and not kept spinning off into all kinds of things. Ever game is some hosed up person getting lured into the town like a bug flying towards a zapper. And like a zapper the town ultimately doesn't care if the people die or not, and largely they could leave at any time. If anything "expanded" from SH2 I'd be interested in spending more time in Eddie's world. Not Angela's, I don't trust them with that, but seeing how the town was working over Eddie, going from weakly puking in a toilet to full blow murder mode. What do his monsters look like, is the whole town an ice box for him? How does he see Laura?
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supplemental materials explain that laura hitchhiked with him into town
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Finished RE0 and started RE4 (original version with the bonkers detailed HD fan restoration mod). I see now why people call this "the good one". Took a few minutes to get used to the controls but once I did, I almost couldn't put it down. I haven't even gotten to the fabled Midget Napoleon that I've heard so much about
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Morpheus posted:I played Barotrauma, which I think constitutes a horror game, but also is just one of those comedies where everything absolutely goes wrong and aliens tear everything apart. Poke having your reactor run out of fuel just as you're watching a pack of sonar pings rush towards the ship, or trying to repair things without realizing that there's something in the ballasts absolutely tearing poo poo apart. Or when, after fighting a husk of a person being puppeted by a parasitic organism, you suddenly realize there's something wriggling in your throat and maybe you need to get to a doctor Right Now. There's definitely moments of horror in that game when you KNOW there's something lurking out there, you're down to your last box of coilgun ammo, there's ballast flora creeping through the ship that you need to deal with and you really, really need to get outside and fix the hull but there's a really good chance if you do the lurking thing is going to eat your face. Edit: vvvv They're going to make everyone a pedo, especially James who will learn he's a pedo in a flashback that he'd forgotten. Fil5000 fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Oxxidation posted:supplemental materials explain that laura hitchhiked with him into town Oh no. They're gonna make Eddie a pedo 
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The original SH2 thankfully isn't going anywhere. If they gently caress it up really bad it'll be an interesting trainwreck to talk about, and if they actually nail it it'll be a pleasant surprise. But as long as no-one's coming to take my PS2 copies away, I'm cool either way.
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Would be cool to see a Silent Hill Remake that remixes stuff like RE4 does where if you've played the game it's kind of like a Lost Levels-type deal. Unfortunately RE4 was made by talented people both times, while SH2 is stuck with people whos main takeaway from SH2 is that In Water ending is the greatest thing a flawed human being can strive to achieve.
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Instant Grat posted:Finished RE0 and started RE4 (original version with the bonkers detailed HD fan restoration mod). both RE4 og and RE4Make are good on their own merits imo. The remake has tighter design with a more serious tone whilst og hams it up and has a lot more fluff and "what if we added in THIS?". That said, have fun if you've managed to grasp the controls! OG is a fun, if a bit long, of a ride!
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SH2 really seems like, and I’m already embarrassed to say this, a games version of Velvet Underground … actually I don’t think it was as truly visionary as VU, but I mean that in terms of “wasn’t actually that successful or critically beloved during its time but gained such a cult afterward that its secondary influence has far outstripped its original stature.” There are probably better comparisons with grindhouse film, tbh. But I already wrote that out, so now you have to live with it. As much as I expect Bloober Team to make a mediocre game, I do kind of wonder if the best that could be hoped for from a SH2 remake is something like the System Shock Remake — a highly playable and appealing revisiting that nevertheless reveals the limitations of its the original design compared to modern games, simply due to the limitations of time and hardware.
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SH2 was critically adored on release. I still remember some of the spreads Gamepro had for it
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I think Japan didn't like it as much upon release since they expected more of the cult elements of sh1 but slowly also grew to enjoy it
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The Saddest Rhino posted:I think Japan didn't like it as much upon release since they expected more of the cult elements of sh1 but slowly also grew to enjoy it Cult elements in any supernatural horror are always the worst parts. Like, there's eldritch entities and things beyond your understanding and dark forces you can't possibly comprehend and also here is jim with a knife.
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Oxxidation posted:supplemental materials explain that laura hitchhiked with him into town Sure, I meant more how things changed as they went along. Surely Eddie wasn't eating pizza with Laura one minute then full Meat Locker Murderer the next, he must have been fighting monsters. My headcanon is that while James was in a life or death struggle against the monsters with only what the town was giving him to slightly survive, the town gave Eddie a gun and let him go full First Person Shooter on a bunch of monsters to desensitize him to killing and making it feel "easy" and fun.
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Evil Kit posted:The remake has tighter design with a more serious tone whilst og hams it up and has a lot more fluff and "what if we added in THIS?". Based on what I'm actually enjoying about RE4 it sounds like I picked the right version then
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I haven't played the remake yet because I tend to like dumb Resident Evil more than scary Resident Evil.
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Make no mistake, the RE4 remake is "more serious" than RE4 OG, but it still has some ridiculousness in it.
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Yeah, there's plenty of goofiness even if it cuts out a fair amount of specific stuff from the original. But honestly don't skip it based on that, the gameplay is just phenomenal. I finally decided to just live with both versions of RE4 being tied for my top spot in the franchise, they're both so much fun.
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Instant Grat posted:Based on what I'm actually enjoying about RE4 it sounds like I picked the right version then To clarify, I only played OG about a year before remake and without the goggles of nostalgia? Frankly, OG drags it out and not in a way that adds much value. You end up with long periods of no story and just gameplay, and the amount that gets dragged out kinda sucks imo. It smacks of the design of games at the time where as much content was shoved into a disc as possible, and not all of it was steller. OG is still very good and deserving of praise, but it has some faults and imo the remake cleans up those faults very nicely while also getting to be its own thing. You should def play both.
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Once I've journeyed through the rest of the series, maybe  I got 0-7 + Revelations 1 & 2 for basically no money in a Humble Bundle a while back, and later picked up Village for crazy cheap too, so I'm not exactly lacking for RE. And Fatal Frames 3-5, Haunting Ground, Silent Hill 3 & 4, Clock Tower 3.... Related: "Resident Evil" is an amazing translation of "Biohazard". It's so evocative. It's some "Nothing here is sacred" type stuff Instant Grat fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Instant Grat posted:Finished RE0 and started RE4 (original version with the bonkers detailed HD fan restoration mod). The controls were perfect on the GC controller  It's a great game, and like others have said it does drag at times because it was released in 2005 and they made sure you got all $60 out of that purchase, even if some of that time is kind of wasted on bits that aren't great. The remake was fantastic, tightened up the controls, dialed down a lot of the goofy stuff (which is a shame) but also managed to make Ashley not the worst escort NPC ever. I did a lot less "God drat It Ashley what are you doing?!" yelling at my screen while playing remake than I do playing the original, because good lord is Ashley annoying as hell in the original.
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