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To the USMC's credit, the reason SF had been kept in check here* was that everybody said "if you create special units with favouritism, you are going to destroy the line infantry" because like you said it draws talent away and the branding, I don't know if it's competing, but if you shape an 18 year old Canadian to be a HSLD SF Operator as opposed to an Officer of the Guards, he's going to have a very different professional identity, and that has very real knock on effects because military identities have weight. * Except the Airborne. The Regular Airborne beat Somali teens to death and the Reserve Airborne beat homeless people to death. The Airborne was disbanded (in the Regular force) as a result though, whereas the SF thing has so much support from culture and media they've been busted doing warcrimes a half dozen times and nothing ever happens to them.
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Frosted Flake posted:To the USMC's credit, the reason SF had been kept in check here* was that everybody said "if you create special units with favouritism, you are going to destroy the line infantry" because like you said it draws talent away and the branding, I don't know if it's competing, but if you shape an 18 year old Canadian to be a HSLD SF Operator as opposed to an Officer of the Guards, he's going to have a very different professional identity, and that has very real knock on effects because military identities have weight. spec ops operator brain = we can always depend on unlimited omnipotent support while hoping no organized defenses exist
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Frosted Flake posted:To the USMC's credit, the reason SF had been kept in check here* was that everybody said "if you create special units with favouritism, you are going to destroy the line infantry" because like you said it draws talent away and the branding, I don't know if it's competing, but if you shape an 18 year old Canadian to be a HSLD SF Operator as opposed to an Officer of the Guards, he's going to have a very different professional identity, and that has very real knock on effects because military identities have weight. what if they replaced all jobs with SF? nothing ordinary, just special forces as far as the eye can see
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bedpan posted:what if they replaced all jobs with SF? nothing ordinary, just special forces as far as the eye can see good, they need more fake honor when doing war crimes on civvies while carefully explaining why fighting real enemies is actually too dangerous for operators
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bedpan posted:what if they replaced all jobs with SF? nothing ordinary, just special forces as far as the eye can see lol they've done this. There are now SF Supporters, who are the people in the small elite SF Regiment that is larger than any of the Infantry Regiments, has its own giant headquarters in Ottawa and Kingston, has a Corps level HQ just for fun, and now wear their own combat, service and dress uniforms. The original idea was, until the media discovered JTF-2 existed - and as a Task Force it was not a unit but an assignment - that they continued to wear the berets and cap badges of their own units - because your Regiment follows you for your whole career. Then, they got to wear their regular cap badges on a tan beret. Then they got to wear Multicam. Then they got to wear Multicam in garrison. Then they got their own cap badges...  Now there is a SF side cap, sailor's hat, and turban. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 01:09 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Frosted Flake posted:To the USMC's credit, the reason SF had been kept in check here* was that everybody said "if you create special units with favouritism, you are going to destroy the line infantry" because like you said it draws talent away and the branding, I don't know if it's competing, but if you shape an 18 year old Canadian to be a HSLD SF Operator as opposed to an Officer of the Guards, he's going to have a very different professional identity, and that has very real knock on effects because military identities have weight. Doing warcrimes is half the reason they exist. bedpan posted:what if they replaced all jobs with SF? nothing ordinary, just special forces as far as the eye can see That's basically what happened with GWOT. By the 2010s the regular troops mostly went home and it was all spec ops all the time, if only because that's what the missions were and that's what they're trained for. Their services were in high demand and then they blamed the drug use and sex crimes on that, whereas now they're in lower demand and they blame the fact that they don't have enough deployments. https://ndupress.ndu.edu/JFQ/Joint-Force-Quarterly-108/Article/Article/3264605/americas-special-operations-problem/ I found this article while looking for something to back this up more than " from my rear end". Seems like a good review of this problem with "elite" units and how they mess with the culture in subtle ways.
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https://executivegov.com/2013/10/ray-odierno-cutbacks-leave-army-with-only-2-combat-ready-brigades/ its a 10 year old story but still lol skooma512 posted:https://ndupress.ndu.edu/JFQ/Joint-Force-Quarterly-108/Article/Article/3264605/americas-special-operations-problem/ well of course we can't mention how our darling IDF's maglan and egoz ELITE OPERATURS got massacred by hez at 2006 land battle day one Palladium has issued a correction as of 01:15 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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How did I sleep through this, The CAF introduces first-ever humanist chaplain The governing ideology of this country's policymaking class is so loving stupid. They're trying to impress people who aren't in, and won't ever join the military lmao "The Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) has a new kind of chaplain. On May 18, 2022, Captain Marie-Claire Khadij became the CAF’s first-ever humanist chaplain. Humanism is a worldview rooted in reason and science, human rights, compassion and social responsibility. Humanism says that human beings have the right and responsibility to give meaning and shape to their own lives. Captain Khadij – currently posted with the Canadian Army’s 2nd Canadian Division at CFB Valcartier, Que. – entered the CAF as a chaplain in 2017, initially representing the Roman Catholic faith tradition. Over time, she found that humanism is more aligned with her values. She views spirituality as a search for meaning in life, which some do through religion while others, like herself, seek meaning through humanist values or secular ethics." How the gently caress did they let her take a commission as a RC Chaplain in the first place if women can't be priests? A loving Chaplain who can't administer Last Rites, jfc. e: We already have Social Work Officers pushed down to a low level and available to talk to so you'll forgive me for thinking they did this for as yet inscrutable reasons. ee: And Psychologists at Field Hospital level. So... giving meaning and shape to your life, human rights, compassion and social responsibility were already built into the force. This feels like an optics thing but I'm absolutely stumped by the whole thing even conceptually. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 01:17 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Frosted Flake posted:lol they've done this. There are now SF Supporters, who are the people in the small elite SF Regiment that is larger than any of the Infantry Regiments, has its own giant headquarters in Ottawa and Kingston, has a Corps level HQ just for fun, and now wear their own combat, service and dress uniforms. I guess it makes sense if all a given military does is targeted assassinations and raids as an auxiliary of a larger power, as opposed to needing large bodies of people to hold space and fight other large formations. What happens to that military when that isn't the favored form of warfare is lol.
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skooma512 posted:I guess it makes sense if all a given military does is targeted assassinations and raids as an auxiliary of a larger power, as opposed to needing large bodies of people to hold space and fight other large formations. What happens to that military when that isn't the favored form of warfare is lol. Let me just open up a book on the US Army of the 1970s and take a sip of water...
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Frosted Flake posted:Let me just open up a book on the US Army of the 1970s and take a sip of water... china's roboarmy is better than the united states by the year 2023
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/Hezbolsonaro/status/1680742174999322626?t=0GYIkKkCG_ypyIgW56VsPA&s=19 lol
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bedpan posted:what if they replaced all jobs with SF? nothing ordinary, just special forces as far as the eye can see That’s the plot of Metal Gear Solid. Replace every soldier with a copy of the best possible soldier to achieve the mythical “good at war” required to make the world order work.
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/Hezbolsonaro/status/1680742174999322626?t=0GYIkKkCG_ypyIgW56VsPA&s=19 well what is it? I don't have twitter.
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Tankbuster posted:well what is it? I don't have twitter. Viagra for are troops
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Frosted Flake posted:How the gently caress did they let her take a commission as a RC Chaplain in the first place if women can't be priests? A loving Chaplain who can't administer Last Rites, jfc. At least some RCs conside that Viaticum may be administered by a priest, deacon or a trained layperson. https://stbrendanla.org/anointing-of-the-sick Frosted Flake posted:the SF thing has so much support from culture and media they've been busted doing warcrimes a half dozen times and nothing ever happens to them. Seems low, isn't that like Australian SAS numbers? Proust Malone posted:I’ve got the worst possible solution. we’re going to privatize the national guard and turn it into a chud country club for CrossFit/bjj/and church of jorp and joe Rogan. at the higher belt levels you get your thetans cleared and get to pay to go off to private buds This might kinda work, tap into a collection of ideologies that a lot of people find real meaning in. Raw beef MREs.
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Weka posted:Seems low, isn't that like Australian SAS numbers? In absolute numbers sure. But, much like the Australians, they do it in a particularly racist way. Quality, not quantity, is the SF byword
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Palladium posted:lol wait till you learn about japan's SDF where troops have to pay for lodging, amenities and transport out of pocket inside their own loving camps Lol, lmao. Okay I'm no longer concerned about Japanese militarism
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Vikings are a pretty good comparison to SOF, yeah. terrifying to civilians. okay as bodyguards. not particularly enthusiastic about fighting anyone who can fight back. big fans of Nordic symbols
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Oh yeah raiding and going to Valhalla is great but have you considered just becoming french instead
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The Mongols fighters bad very diverse ethnicities. Idgi. I don't know about Vikings but the Spartans were very samey warriors.
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stephenthinkpad posted:The Mongols fighters bad very diverse ethnicities. Idgi. I don't want to write another wall of text, but often successful fighters "created" ethnoi, around what was originally a very small group. Both the "Goths" and the "Huns" consisted of a core group of people from a specific point of origin, sure, but their military victories caused people to either pledge loyalty to them or to be absorbed/conquered by them, so by the time they arrive at the Roman frontiers there are dozens of different languages being spoken, dozens of different "ethnicities" within those groups. Roman writers would recognize previous groups, that had been considered separate ethnicities, now within the ranks or in the camps of these successful armies. Which is to say not only were they diverse but lol diversity literally was their strength, as 300 horsemen leaving the Asian steppe were leading a group in the hundreds of thousands when the fought the Roman Army and their Gothic allies at the Catalaunian Plains some decades later. The Romans considered these people, collectively, Huns. And of course the same is true throughout nearly all of history. Remember ethnicity as something that is fixed really emerges in 19th century nationalism. You could become a member of a people for most of history before that. So, the Avars, Bulgars, Magyar move into the Carpathian Basin, they aren't replacing the people who are there, the people there become Avars, Bulgars, and Magyar as had all of the people encountered along the way from the Caucasus to the Roman Frontier. It's only when Tsar Boris I and King Stephen I want to form recognized monarchies - Bulgaria and Hungary, for the sake of their relations with the Byzantine and Holy Roman Emperors, that there's a solid conception of "Bulgarian" and "Hungarian" and again, that's not really clearly defined outside of "people who swear loyalty to the King/Tsar, live within the lands other kings and the Pope/Patriarch of All Bulgaria recognize as theirs, and follow their religion". Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 17:30 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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stephenthinkpad posted:The Mongols fighters bad very diverse ethnicities. Idgi. These people have a subgrade schoolers understanding of History
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Frosted Flake posted:I don't want to write another wall of text, I call bullshit
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stephenthinkpad posted:The Mongols fighters bad very diverse ethnicities. Idgi.
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For the "Vikings", which for a variety of 19th century reasons really comes from how the Anglo-Saxons understood the polity in York, and dimly understood raiders from elsewhere, we have another set of problems. First, the Anglo-Saxon experience does not explain relations between other polities and Scandinavians. Second, it overlooks the more obviously syncretic communities in what are today Ireland and Scotland, because of the nature competing states lay claim to the indigenous population. Which means, the "Vikings" settling in York were evil, bad, foreign, invaders, because there were several other Anglo-Saxon polities that also lay claim to all of England and the English population. In Ireland and Scotland, this relationship was different for a bunch of boring and complex reasons, mostly returning to that definition of "people". In the Medieval period, it took the recognition of a Kingdom by the Pope to solidify these identities. Without a recognized Irish or Scottish High King laying claim to all of a terrestrial area and all of the population therein, which means in medieval terms there was no singular Irish "people", Scandinavian elites ruling polities there were not considered to represent the same sort of je ne said quois, intrusion, violation of the natural order? The same way that the Anglo-Saxons themselves made up several competing polities in Post-Roman Britain, some of whom were, of corse, British. Right, which brings me around to, why the Vikings were written about the way they were by English historians, which was mostly as the evil bad ferocious other, who all came from distant lands etc. There are a lot of reasons, mostly having to do with competing claims for why York should belong to one of the Anglo-Saxon polities, as the ideology of a Kingdom of England was being articulated, and later realized by Alfred the Great. This is in contrast to archeological evidence which shows, this should come as no surprise, an incredible continuity of material culture, even religious practices within Yorkshire. In fact, well before the Christianization of Scandinavia, it appears the Norse in Yorkshire were adopting to the religious practices of the local population - rather than the persecution of Christianity by Heathens that has become a cornerstone of English texts about the Vikings, and a cornerstone of their role in White Supremacy, Neo-paganism and so on. That's not to say "there's no such thing as a Viking", but, most people in York were Britons, the same way most people in Kingdom of East Anglia were mostly Britons (and not Angles, Saxons or Jutes), if you follow me. tl;dr, Viking is as Viking does Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 17:46 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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Everyone ITT probably already knows this, the term "Viking" refers to the vocation of being a raider, it's not an ethnicity or polity.
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skooma512 posted:Everyone ITT probably already knows this, the term "Viking" refers to the vocation of being a raider, it's not an ethnicity or polity. Yes but Gaetz doesn't and that's whose quote this is in reference to
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stephenthinkpad posted:Come to think of it, the Mongols had the fastest expansion of their army size, they must used a very simply language system to communicate with the new comers who didn't speak the Mongolian language. I think they basically had a translator/diplomatic corps that was part of the horde, but after 1311 they were muslim so they presumably had a lot of people who spoke arabic
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Frosted Flake posted:Which is to say not only were they diverse but lol diversity literally was their strength, as 300 horsemen leaving the Asian steppe were leading a group in the hundreds of thousands when the fought the Roman Army and their Gothic allies at the Catalaunian Plains some decades later. The Romans considered these people, collectively, Huns. I have often wondered about this. What are your sources, I'd love to read about it. Frosted Flake posted:It's only when Tsar Boris I and King Stephen I want to form recognized monarchies - Bulgaria and Hungary, for the sake of their relations with the Byzantine and Holy Roman Emperors, that there's a solid conception of "Bulgarian" and "Hungarian" and again, that's not really clearly defined outside of "people who swear loyalty to the King/Tsar, live within the lands other kings and the Pope/Patriarch of All Bulgaria recognize as theirs, and follow their religion". It seems like you are describing something very much like citizenship.
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