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Can anyone recommend an English-language book on Vauban?
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Does anyone have any favorites that would fulfill this: A video in Youtube or somewhere else of 5-15 minutes in length, meant to show with drawings or animations how line battles of the napoleonic era worked and why staying in the line was important for morale and cohesion and for example how cavalry would decimate runaways?
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Jul 16, 2023 15:44
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Vahakyla posted:Does anyone have any favorites that would fulfill this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl7ElFROgts
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Jul 16, 2023 15:57
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Thank you so much! It is precisely what I wanted. I wonder why I didn’t find that, but you hit it out of the park. It’ll be used!
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Jul 16, 2023 16:07
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Stealing this from another thread because you all will love it:bulletsponge13 posted:Just stumbled onto this mock Hardcore History bit-
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Jul 16, 2023 16:56
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Also stolen from elsewhere for pretty much the same reason:quote:various soviet solders discovering stupidly made nazi winter boots, making fun of them and feeding it to horses. edit: looking at the tank I'm guessing this was the winter '41 counteroffensive, in which case its' when the Germans were in full "gently caress it, send women's fur coats" mode re: Russia is cold in winter, actually.
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Jul 16, 2023 17:51
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Cyrano4747 posted:edit: looking at the tank I'm guessing this was the winter '41 counteroffensive, in which case its' when the Germans were in full "gently caress it, send women's fur coats" mode re: Russia is cold in winter, actually. Brits made the same surprising discovery in Crimea  Apparently the French were better prepared, I don't know if they knew some people who had experienced Russian winter?
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Jul 16, 2023 18:19
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Cyrano4747 posted:Also stolen from elsewhere for pretty much the same reason: There's spaced armour on that Pz.Kpfw.III, so this is already the winter of 1942-43.
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Jul 16, 2023 18:28
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bulletsponge13 posted:Just stumbled onto this mock Hardcore History bit- I am so happy right now
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Jul 16, 2023 19:41
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Speaking of Soviets, this is something of a question that combines history and current. How much of the Cold War is present in the war in Ukraine right now? In terms of equipment and personnel on both sides.
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Jul 16, 2023 22:38
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This is not the thread for current events, there are like a dozen Ukraine war threads on SA to ask this question.
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Jul 16, 2023 22:43
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two fish posted:Speaking of Soviets, this is something of a question that combines history and current. How much of the Cold War is present in the war in Ukraine right now? In terms of equipment and personnel on both sides. Ask here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3910801&pagenumber=1305#lastpost
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Jul 16, 2023 22:47
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Ah okay, sorry about that! New here, didn't know.
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Jul 16, 2023 22:59
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Cyrano4747 posted:Stealing this from another thread because you all will love it: I was giggling over here by midway, but then had to explain why I was mad at the end because "punch-drunk boxers" did not come up once.
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Jul 17, 2023 04:18
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Nenonen posted:who the gently caress was Caesar. Well??  I'm actually kind of curious how he's covered in a Finnish curriculum 
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Jul 17, 2023 04:37
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Fuschia tude posted:Well?? The bad guy in Asterix.
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Jul 17, 2023 07:01
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Fuschia tude posted:Well?? The Finnish national curriculum is famously non-specific, leaving a ton for the teacher to decide. Google Translate does a valiant effort with the curriculum page here: https://eperusteet.opintopolku.fi/#/fi/perusopetus/419550/oppiaineet/466345 but here's the main bit translated: quote:Grades 3-6: The purpose of history teaching is to familiarise students with the nature of historical knowledge, the acquisition of knowledge and basic concepts. The aim is to arouse pupils' interest in the past, in human activity, its meaning and understanding. The teaching of the content defined in the foundations emphasises the use of functional and experiential methods. quote:Grades 7-9: the task of history teaching is to deepen students' understanding of the nature of historical knowledge. The teaching supports the development of students' own identity and familiarizes them with the effects of cultures on individuals and societies. Teaching emphasizes interactive and investigative working methods. Schooling starts at age 7, so grade 3 is about age 10. E: Here's the "what teaching history is about" bit: quote:The role of history education is to develop students' knowledge of history and cultures and to encourage them to adopt the principles of responsible citizenship. Through knowledge of the past, pupils are guided to understand the developments that have led to the present, the value of intellectual and material work and to reflect on the choices they will have to make in the future. They are guided to see the importance of the individual as a historical actor and to understand the factors and motivations behind action. The aim is to support the development of pupils' identities and help them to grow as active members of society who understand diversity. Loezi fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Jul 17, 2023 07:19
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In actuality we just study the life and accomplishments of Simo Häyhä for nine years.
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Jul 17, 2023 09:05
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Loezi posted:The Finnish national curriculum is famously non-specific, leaving a ton for the teacher to decide. Google Translate does a valiant effort with the curriculum page here: https://eperusteet.opintopolku.fi/#/fi/perusopetus/419550/oppiaineet/466345 but here's the main bit translated:
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Jul 17, 2023 12:46
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Cyrano4747 posted:Stealing this from another thread because you all will love it: I'm a bit sad they left out the inevitable "like two punch-drunk boxers" analogy that Carlin uses in Every. Single. Podcast.
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Jul 17, 2023 14:58
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two fish posted:That's interesting, thank you! I doubt it, if mostly for the fact that this sort of thing isn't really done in northern Europe. If someone tried that here in Denmark, they'd be criticized for focusing on people rather than teaching periods. Conservative politicians sometimes suggest a 'canon' for teaching history with focus on strong leaders, but are laughed at because it's just not the done thing, you know - and we're a lot more nationalistic than the Germans are.
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Jul 17, 2023 20:05
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I never had to learn them but for older generations in the UK I remember hearing about mnemonics to memorize the names of every king/queen in sequence. Since presidents swap out every 4-8 years compared to sometimes decades per monarch it’s not like it’s such a difference in the number of figures, I feel like.
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Jul 17, 2023 20:14
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Willy, Willy, Harry, Ste; Harry, Dick, John, Harry three..
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Jul 17, 2023 20:43
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Loezi posted:E: Here's the "what teaching history is about" bit: So you start learning history, but you never Finnish?
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Jul 17, 2023 20:44
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two fish posted:That's interesting, thank you! 
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Jul 17, 2023 23:00
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DTurtle posted:Not as prominent as American presidents, but you can find things like this: what is wrong with second from the right, bottom row? his face is all hosed up.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:18
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I mean, it's more a contest to find someone who DOESN'T look jacked up. There are some loving foreheads in there, my god. Also that's just an extraordinarily bad phot of Ludwig Erhard, the 2nd post-war Chancellor. He was jut a kind of standard issue fat Bavarian, but man they caught him looking like a bridge troll there. Here are a couple more normal ones swiped from Wikipedia:   Also, a biography of him was the single most boring book I had to read in grad school. Even my advisor, who was running the class where it was assigned, said that it was more to make sure we had practice quickly extracting needed information from crap we shouldn't bother reading. edit: also looking at that line of of Chancellors, I had no idea that Colin Robinson from What We Do In the Shadows took over for Merkle. I mean it makes total sense in retrospect.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:24
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Old and German genes? I can think of a few relatives and some olds in my 'hometown' that look pretty similar. It ain't the years, its the mileage (and schnapps).
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Jul 18, 2023 00:26
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DTurtle posted:Not as prominent as American presidents, but you can find things like this: Left to right, top to bottom (also reverse chronological order) 1) Colin Robinson, energy vampire 2) your fourth grade teacher's mugshot 3) eyebrow ridges as forehead armor 4) Gary Gurgich 5) Lurch on Pervitin 6) Jack Nicholson's Joker understudy 7) there had to be at least one normal one 8) fat gollum 9) Konrad Adenauer, actual vampire
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Jul 18, 2023 00:30
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Cyrano4747 posted:Left to right, top to bottom (also reverse chronological order) 
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Jul 18, 2023 00:37
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samcarsten posted:what is wrong with second from the right, bottom row? his face is all hosed up.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:53
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Cyrano4747 posted:Left to right, top to bottom (also reverse chronological order) 9 looks like Peter Cushing and Werner Herzog simultaneously
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Jul 19, 2023 13:44
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Koramei posted:I never had to learn them but for older generations in the UK I remember hearing about mnemonics to memorize the names of every king/queen in sequence. Since presidents swap out every 4-8 years compared to sometimes decades per monarch it’s not like it’s such a difference in the number of figures, I feel like. Do they start counting "English kings" from 1066, or do they include earlier ones in that list? I'm not even sure how nationalists break down on categorizations like that when you go back that far.
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Jul 19, 2023 14:21
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I thought they started at Alfred
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Jul 19, 2023 15:12
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Jul 19, 2023 15:17
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The 30cm wooden rulers with all the monarchs on that you can buy in every single gift shop here start with Edward the Confessor in 1042, so that's canon.
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Jul 19, 2023 15:23
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Fuschia tude posted:Do they start counting "English kings" from 1066, or do they include earlier ones in that list? I'm not even sure how nationalists break down on categorizations like that when you go back that far. My schooling (UK from the early 1990s) considered 1066 as the start of the monarchy line of succession. Our history education started with the Norman Conquest and went through chronologically from ages 7 to 11 from then to the English Civil War (had I stayed at that school until 16 it would have ended with WW1). There were various posters/charts of the English/British monarchs in the history classrooms and they all ran from Will 1 to Liz 2. As part of the Norman Conquest we learnt about Edward the Confessor and Harold Godwinson, but only is as much as they had roles in the Conquest. This was a private (and not following the national curriculum) school in the south of England, so is almost certainly not typical. I doubt kids in Scotland learn about William Rufus and so on. Since we were between Southampton and Winchester we did cover a bit of Saxon kings when we learnt Local History (covered as a separate subject to just 'History') but only is as much as Alfred the Great and going to the spot in Southampton where Canute supposedly failed to turn back the tide. But that was very incidental stuff.
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Jul 19, 2023 16:16
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What I remember of school history is that we just learned about specific periods where interesting stuff happened. For example, there was an unit on 1066, one on the Tudors, another unit on WWII etc. I don't think 99.9% of brits can even name every 20th century prime minister.
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Jul 19, 2023 18:22
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Fangz posted:What I remember of school history is that we just learned about specific periods where interesting stuff happened. For example, there was an unit on 1066, one on the Tudors, another unit on WWII etc. yeah, except I think between primary and secondary school I had the tudor unit like three different times. I don't remember any attempt to connect the units or put them in some kind of broader narrative
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:yeah, except I think between primary and secondary school I had the tudor unit like three different times. I don't remember any attempt to connect the units or put them in some kind of broader narrative This is just history_teaching.txt and frankly it's fine. In the US it's basically colonies/revolution -> Civil War -> WW2 (brief interlude on WW1) -> Cold War, a little Vietnam, but it's the end of the school year so it gets cut short. That's at least how it was for me in the early 00s, maybe they throw in ten minutes on 9/11 so tomorrow's enlistees can understand why they're the third generation of Operation Bomb Worthless Dirt. Pedagogically, there are two things going on here: 1) your average person doesn't need to know every last little bit of their nation's history, it's far more important to focus on the big things that were majorly defining so that you understand the cultural and political context you live in. An American in the 2020s should have at least a basic grasp of the Revolution and the Civil War, for example, so that if nothing else they know what the constitution is and how black people kinda got hosed. WW2 is important to know about because it's the foundation for all american foreign policy since then. That kind of poo poo. 2) is because you have to teach this stuff differently at different levels, as the children mature and can handle both more complex topics and some of the moral ambiguities of history. Take the founding fathers and the Revolution as an example: a 4th grader really needs a basic primer on how George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were people that existed, what the gently caress democracy is, and frankly the sunshine and rainbows version of how there are basic rights enshrined in our constitution. An 8th grader can handle some more complex details of all that, and by the time you get to a 12th grader you absolutely should be teaching them about the fundamental problems with that system, pointing out how all the people who were writing this poo poo owned slaves, and underscoring the injustices baked in from the beginning. Along with that goes increasingly complex lesson plans with different learning objectives, e.g. moving from a basic report to something approximating a thesis driven essay. edit: Now, should that be put in a broader narrative? Sure, but likely only in relation to the other things. If you're drawing the through-line from the ACW to WW1/WW2 you don't really need to get into the weeds with Grant's presidency or the Teapot Dome scandal, but it helps if you do a quick unit on the Industrial Revolution and Jim Crow. There should be SOME connective tissue there, but it's the transition that you use to get from one big set piece to the next.
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