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W424 posted:With Sympathy is better than the last 20 years of lame metal poo poo, no remake required. 100% It's one of the best Ministry records period.
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If With Sympathy had been released as a side-project, it would be universally loved today.
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moths posted:If With Sympathy had been released as a side-project, it would be universally loved today. Revenge is a great song, but there’s a lot of bad 80s studio musician synth-funk/fusion on there.
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It's bangers start to finish OP ....but I also agree with your statement. Kaddish fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jun 20, 2023 |
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teethgrinder posted:Didn't remember what tabs I opened when I got to this, but perhaps he should use A.I. to do it in 2023. Yeah, getting Spielberg back to do another Anal Intruder disc would be dope.
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I just hope he does Same Old Madness
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5LlUe-lKRQ New 3Teeth singles are getting me through this year month by month
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Shoehead posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5LlUe-lKRQ That's...a surprise. 3TEETH feels like marketed industrial, if that ever were a thing.
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Their collabs with h09909 are great, but the rest feels kind of soulless and meandering to me.
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3teeth is fun and a tad bit more accessible than a lot of the more self-serious industrial acts I find.
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They've mostly been making me want to play and listen to the soundtrack to Doom 2016, which makes sense given Mick's residency with the band at this point. But yeah I've found them kind of boring compared to their first album and the h09909 collabs.
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I haven't heard any of the other stuff, but I remember liking 3teeth's first album because it had a really similar vibe to the Quake II soundtrack.
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Speaking of 3TEETH .... https://consequence.net/2023/07/best-industrial-albums-all-time/ Consequence did a thing. New as of TODAY. I feel like they could have dug deeper and dropped White Zombie and Static-X in favor or some lesser known options. Also, their number one is not my pick in any reality, especially when the best record the band ever released is sitting at number 10. Personal bias, but VivisectVI is waaaay to high on the list. It deserved top 20 at least. The ONE TKK record is dumb and was too disco for me but whatever.
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Jul 17, 2023 19:32
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That list is stupid and I’m dumber for having scrolled through it. 
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...lol. [gif-thatsbait]
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Ultimately it's one/a few people's very subjective opinion. Some of the choices make sense and I agree with. Some of them make sense and I don't agree with (I get why someone might rank them higher than me). Some of them are neither.
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It's great when someone puts out a list and we can all agree its stupid and nothing to get mad about and there's 50 different things we still get mad at. Me I'm wondering how you put two FLA albums on a list and Gashed is the other one. No Haujobb is also good, excellent list.
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I wanna know if Alex and Bruce from ID:YD post here haha
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teethgrinder posted:I wanna know if Alex and Bruce from ID:YD post here haha They mentioned this thread earlier this year on their podcast. I think one or both might lurk, doubt they post.
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Hah that's why I mentioned it. I know guys from Imperative Reaction and Ad-ver-sary used to post here, but haven't seen them for years.
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they'll come back as reddit and twitter implode. everyone will, it will be a singularity of posting, a big black nemesis, a parthenogenesis
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teethgrinder posted:I wanna know if Alex and Bruce from ID:YD post here haha As far as I know they're mostly on Twitter and Slack.
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List had some decent stuff on it, like foetus, but the ministry ranking is wacky. Psalm 69 has some good singles on it, but as an album it cannot compare to The Land of Rape and Honey.
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I think Land of Rape and Honey is the better album, but I think Psalm 69 had the bigger cultural relevance. New World Order and Jesus Built My Hotrod were everywhere for years after that album came out, and I'd put that album at peak Ministry in the zeitgeist. On a Ministry tangent, I remember being miffed way back in the day that Du Hast was just ripping off the riff from Just One Fix. Then year's later I found out my favorite Ministry song, Stigmata, was just Al stealing Big Black's Racer X. I was just listening to some Melvins last week and just realized my second favorite Ministry Song, Filth Pig, was just Al stealing Night Goat.
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Psalm 69 is one I don't agree with but I get why others like it so much and understand the albums influence. I actually agree with a few in the top 10. Front By Font, Mind, Too Dark Park, Pretty Hate Machine, Downward Spiral - those all deserve top 10 IMO. Opus Dei is another soooort of weird one because it's not the best Laibach album but it is the one that put them on the map. I remember seeing the video for Geburt Einer Nation on MTV in the 90's. (My avatar here was Laibach for like 15 years) I also remember first hearing Rammstein and thinking, wow these guys are absolutely ripping off Laibach. Kaddish fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Opus Dei is definitely up there. It doesn't have their most club-friendly tracks, but it is the one where their message
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a_gelatinous_cube posted:I think Land of Rape and Honey is the better album, but I think Psalm 69 had the bigger cultural relevance. New World Order and Jesus Built My Hotrod were everywhere for years after that album came out, and I'd put that album at peak Ministry in the zeitgeist. I can't remember the exact track, but I'm pretty sure Al lifted a section of "Thieves" straight out of a Wire song.
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I always think there's an interesting tension with these 'best X industrial album" type lists between albums that were important/influential at the time, ones that remain important/influential, and ones that if you sit down and listen to today alongside something current then you'd think "yeah this fucks". (so for example, an important and influential Die Krupps release is on the Consequences of Sound list, but one of their 90s industrial metal albums would probably fit alongside some of the metal bands on the list, and they definitely goes just as hard if not more so. See also Killing Joke's Pandemonium which leaves other industrial metal in the dust behind, but it didn't have a wide influence unlike KJ's early work)) Always interesting reading one of these lists and working out what approach they've taken.
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Pandemonium was such a good industrial metal album. It should be on that list.
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They don’t really define their criteria but yeah it seems like they’re factoring in cultural impact. Definitely a list written by dudes in their 40s and 50s but that’s the way of industrial and industrial metal. Pretty hosed up they didn’t include Rhythm Nation though.
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It's all subjective right. I'd put the KLF on a top 50 list. Doubting Thomas is absent, which is weird to me. Like you said, depends on the criteria.
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Ignoring that list, one thing I was thinking about is how much industrial rock's main difference from rock is just vibes or past history. I am not trying to gatekeep, but personally I would never call Fear Factory industrial rock, even though they have a keyboardist dinking away in the background, but I would still call modern Ministry industrial rock even if it seems like metal by now and has not had too many industrial elements since Psalm 69.
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I don't consider those things Industrial either, but also not Rammstein, Marilyn Manson or White Zombie, although they're clearly influenced by it. Even early Killing Joke seems more stylistically linked to post-punk, but because it was influential and had that experimental DIY vibe it gets a spot in the canon.
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I was wondering how many posts it would take to start debating what industrial even is.
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Goth drives like this, but industrial drives like this
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rec.music.industrial is thataway.
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As a wise man/bot once said, defining industrial is not a productive area of discussion
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teethgrinder posted:rec.music.industrial is thataway. if I paint my turtle metallic will it be indushtral
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Yeah some of the more metal things on that list are pretty iffy to me. Godflesh’s Justin Broadrick had a quote something like “metal is about crushing things, industrial is about being crushed.” By that standard I think Fear Factory - Demanufacture is a maybe. Also, from what I understand they basically pioneered snapping all the drums to a grid in a DAW on that album (and they might use patches for all actual drum hits), so the percussion is essentially programmed. Dino’s guitar playing is also heavily influenced by looped sampled guitar riffs (he’s specifically called out KMFDM Godlike in interviews). SYL - City, though? Sure, Devin’s worked with FLA and there’s some keyboards on the album, but I don’t really get any industrial vibes from it. White Zombie - Astro Creep 2000 is just No. If nothing else it’s disqualified just from Rob ripping off Al’s look. I don’t hold Rob Zombie in very high regard as an artist though so I’m biased.
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Nightcrawlers KMFDM remixes was my favorite zombie thing back in the day. I still have it on CD somewhere.
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