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The issue with Toga is that she was basically reviled, abused, repressed. She needs to answer for the things she did, but she was just really desperately seeking for comfort, acceptance, and safety. She needed help. She got reviled instead. She needed a loving family that understood her, she got people who were ashamed of her. She's effectively only 17, not even a full blown adult yet and has been living on the fringes of society to stay alive without help other than the villains which saw her just as another fighter. Uraraka said the right things to her to comfort her and I think Toga finally saw some hope and gave up fighting because of it. Because someone finally said "I understand and I'll hold you responsible, but I'll help you too, and accept you for who you are." That final smile says it all: Someone actually said they cared and felt her pain. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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CommieGIR posted:The issue with Toga is that she was basically reviled, abused, repressed. She needs to answer for the things she did, but she was just really desperately seeking for comfort, acceptance, and safety. She needed help. She got reviled instead. She needed a loving family that understood her, she got people who were ashamed of her. She's effectively only 17, not even a full blown adult yet and has been living on the fringes of society to stay alive without help other than the villains which saw her just as another fighter. That final smile is, like, the same as her crazy person, murder smiles.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:26
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oh jay posted:That final smile is, like, the same as her crazy person, murder smiles. Maybe it's just me but it doesn't have malice in the way it looks.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:30
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CommieGIR posted:Maybe it's just me but it doesn't have malice in the way it looks. She would love to meet you alone in a dark alley with her stabbing knife.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:36
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oh jay posted:That final smile is, like, the same as her crazy person, murder smiles. Wrong. Open your eyes and your heart, fool.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:42
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Wrong. Open your eyes and your heart, fool. She'd like to open my eyes and heart with her stabbing knife.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:44
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oh jay posted:She'd like to open my eyes and heart with her stabbing knife. However if you donate some blood to her.....er, the red cross, she might stab you less.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:47
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its sad that these people had rough childhoods, but murder is still pretty bad, to do
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Jul 18, 2023 01:50
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Yeah murder is bad, badass that is.
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Collapsing Farts posted:its sad that these people had rough childhoods, but murder is still pretty bad, to do It's funny because not even like, a singular murder or a couple of murders. It's "our group killed tens of thousands of people and completely collapsed modern society and forced the entire civilian population to hide in bunkers for fear of being slaughtered by packs of roving murderers".
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Jul 18, 2023 02:04
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Muscular was cool, because he didn't pretend he was misunderstood.
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Kanos posted:It's funny because not even like, a singular murder or a couple of murders. It's "our group killed tens of thousands of people and completely collapsed modern society and forced the entire civilian population to hide in bunkers for fear of being slaughtered by packs of roving murderers". Next chapter begins the decades long legal battle to keep toga from the chair.
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TheHan posted:Next chapter begins the decades long legal battle to keep toga from the chair.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Yeah murder is bad, badass that is. Yup
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oh jay posted:Muscular was cool, because he didn't pretend he was misunderstood. This is also why Dabi owns. Dude's backstory is tragic but he completely leans into the fact that he's an evil murderer.
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oh jay posted:Muscular was cool, because he didn't pretend he was misunderstood. I think if your take away is that Toga is pretending she was misunderstood you might somehow be too stupid for MHA's story that is for actual children.
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Jul 18, 2023 03:06
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I ain't talking about Toga anymore. I'm talking about cool guy Muscular.
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Kanos posted:It's funny because not even like, a singular murder or a couple of murders. It's "our group killed tens of thousands of people and completely collapsed modern society and forced the entire civilian population to hide in bunkers for fear of being slaughtered by packs of roving murderers". It's this plus how cheesy it is that the big connection is...wanting to talk romance about the guy you're both crushing on? Not to mention that as others have stated, this is what? Only the second time they've met and one of those times Ochaco was quite clearly afraid and freaked out by Toga so this is definitely a bit retcony. A big concern I've seen is the, "and then what" aspect. Okay so Toga has been subdued and will receive the therapy and help with managing her quirk. What about the mass murder and societal collapse that she was involved in? Minor or not, that's gonna carry a VERY heavy punishment and 100% rightfully so and I dunno how Japan does it, but might be grounds for trial as an adult. oh jay posted:Muscular was cool, because he didn't pretend he was misunderstood. Kanos posted:This is also why Dabi owns. Dude's backstory is tragic but he completely leans into the fact that he's an evil murderer. Terrible and horrid as they are, I can definitely respect that they just roll with it. doomrider7 fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Jul 18, 2023 03:20
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speaking of dabi, is his final fate really gonna be the big ice cube? Poor dabi, not even allowed to die. Now there's a guy I feel sorry for.
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Jul 18, 2023 03:32
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Toga can't go to prison because Japan no longer has a legal system capable of imprisoning anyone.
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Muscular kind of a boring fight tbh
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Jul 18, 2023 03:49
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Mymla posted:Toga can't go to prison because Japan no longer has a legal system capable of imprisoning anyone. I have no idea how much destruction they're causing, but if the full on legal justice system is down then yeah, we're talking about possibly shipping them to The Hague and looking at potential war crime charges as well as mass murder possibly in the millions if any of what I've heard is accurate.
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TheHan posted:speaking of dabi, is his final fate really gonna be the big ice cube? Poor dabi, not even allowed to die. Now there's a guy I feel sorry for. It's the ultimate Dabi move though. The guy planned to murder-suicide himself, his family, and everyone who would have been close enough to be caught in the blast radius and managed to accomplish none of that. Instead, he's stuck as a blind, burnt out husk for the rest of his life. The ultimate failure.
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best part of the translation (maybe it was in the original and i missed it) is uraraka just "mhmm"ing her way through the aerial conversation after toga decides not to stab her. shoto had to enlist his whole family and his dad almost(?) died to stop dabi. all uraraka needs is one (1) use of gunhead martial arts and a couple "drat really?"
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Jul 18, 2023 05:16
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I mean, it kinda works, because it showcases how little it would take to keep Toga from becoming a mass-murdering terrorist, if someone gave a drat about her.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Muscular kind of a boring fight tbh Muscular was for an entirely different manga than what MHA ended up becoming.
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A metaphor for intolerance and bigotry handled about as clumsily as Zootopia?
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TheKingofSprings posted:What did MHA end up being, anyway Jeart (Jean Heart).
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I’m still wondering how all this still squares with Deku’s narration at the beginning about this being the story of how he became the world’s greatest hero (though I suppose there are a lot of ways you could interpret that)
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Muscular kind of a boring fight tbh Muscular fight #1 was pretty okay. It was the classic "super strength character runs into an opponent actually stronger than him" setup, and Deku cracking and breaking down in terror because he's a literal child up against a mass-murdering psycho he can't beat but then resolving to stand up and be a hero anyway because otherwise the child he was protecting was going to die was one of his best actual heroic moments in the manga. Muscular fight #2 was boring filler meant to show "wow, all these powers Deku got offscreen have catapulted him to super saiyan god super saiyan levels!".
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Larryb posted:I’m still wondering how all this still squares with Deku’s narration at the beginning about this being the story of how he became the world’s greatest hero (though I suppose there are a lot of ways you could interpret that) Deku's final quirk transforms him into a submarine sandwich too large for All for One to eat
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Larryb posted:I’m still wondering how all this still squares with Deku’s narration at the beginning about this being the story of how he became the world’s greatest hero (though I suppose there are a lot of ways you could interpret that) All Might quit being a Hero. America's Best Hero died to, uh, accomplish... something. Now all we have to do is get rid of a few more heroes and bam! All the competition's gone.
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Larryb posted:I’m still wondering how all this still squares with Deku’s narration at the beginning about this being the story of how he became the world’s greatest hero (though I suppose there are a lot of ways you could interpret that) Best by default because everyone else will be dead or retired.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:All Might quit being a Hero. Yeah, best by default on account of every other hero being dead/otherwise incapacitated or retired is kind of what I’m thinking too
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Kanos posted:Muscular fight #1 was pretty okay. It was the classic "super strength character runs into an opponent actually stronger than him" setup, and Deku cracking and breaking down in terror because he's a literal child up against a mass-murdering psycho he can't beat but then resolving to stand up and be a hero anyway because otherwise the child he was protecting was going to die was one of his best actual heroic moments in the manga. Forgot he had a 2nd fight tbh
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Muscular kind of a boring fight tbh I remember people hyping up Deku vs. Muscular as one of the best MHA fights when Season 3 was airing. Then I got there and  It felt like a step back from the Stain fight, where Deku recognized his limits and designed a new technique to get around them, which wound up being integral to fighting Stain. Against Muscular, he just breaks his arms twice and punches harderer and then instantly wins. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Muscular 1 is a good fight if only because it's snappy and uninterrupted. I think there's one brief check-in with the rest of the class up front, and then he just lets the fight happen. Compared to any recent fight and it's all intercut with other crap and you forget what's happening.
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