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Boris Galerkin posted:Not really sure if this is a “tech nightmare” or if it’s a “people bad at using tech nightmare” but either way it’s kind of bad. I think the most amazing part of this poo poo is that somehow, nobody blocked foreign domains in outgoing e-mails or put in any sort of flagging or confirmation system to prevent exactly this sort of thing. We can drone strike
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Sundae posted:I think the most amazing part of this poo poo is that somehow, nobody blocked foreign domains in outgoing e-mails or put in any sort of flagging or confirmation system to prevent exactly this sort of thing. We can drone strike
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Of all the reasons to spend military money, actually keeping soldiers fed, housed and healthy is actually one of the most important things for a professional military, both on a practical daily level and as an institution.
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Vegetable posted:Did you read the article? They did implement these measures. My guess is it prompts the sender to check the recipient and most people ignore the warning and just click send anyway. You can’t entirely block people from emailing specific domain names; presumably someone in the military at some point of time has a legitimate reason to email a Mali person. I see that they say they implemented these measures. They clearly didn't work.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It's common for homeowners associations to ban clotheslines. Death to America
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Yeah, this seems like the sort of thing where you shouldn’t just flash up an OK/cancel warning that no-one will read, you should require people to literally enter the phrase “yes I want to send this email to Mali not military” for each email they send.
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Yeah, here's the Financial Times article the BBC is sourcing from: https://www.ft.com/content/ab62af67-ed2a-42d0-87eb-c762ac163cf0 (Paywalled) quote:[Lt. Cmdr Tim Gorman, a spokesman for the Pentagon,] said that emails sent directly from the .mil domain to Malian addresses “are blocked before they leave the .mil domain and the sender is notified that they must validate the email addresses of the intended recipients”. So the IT has some controls blocking .mil to .ml emails, but the article also suggests that that isn't the issue: quote:One FBI agent with a naval role sought to forward six messages to their military email — and accidentally dispatched them to Mali. The issue is people sending email from outside of the military, to military email accounts. Someone booking a hotel for official travel and typing in general.whatever@army.ml, or contractors mistyping the email addresses, and so on. It's also not a US exclusive thing: quote:The Dutch army uses the domain army.nl, a keystroke away from army.ml. There are more than a dozen emails from serving Dutch personnel that included discussions with Italian counterparts about an ammunition pick-up in Italy and detailed exchanges on Dutch Apache helicopters crews in the US. E: I think the “tech” nightmare is how insecure email is if one single typo can send your poo poo to a foreign adversary but there doesn’t seem to be a way to fix that without full-on centralization and that’s something that prolly shouldn’t ever happen. The “people bad at using tech” nightmare are the people using insecure communications channels to communicate sensitive information. But what can you do about the latter? Training only gets you so much, but at the end of the day VIPs still need to book hotel reservations and that information needs to get emailed. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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dr_rat posted:I was going to say isn't Phoenix known for having temps where putting it on a line would almost dry things quicker. If it's 35c+ and even a touch of wind drying stuff on the line is like ten minutes at most. Who'd use a dryer? i'm in tucson and use a clothesline. dried clothes last week when it was around 108F or so and it took about 10-15min for clothes of normal thickness, 40-45min for quite thick socks. that said, tucson's always cooler than phoenix thanks to elevation and us not having a drat heat island effect, though, so things would dry a bit quicker there...probably. but the real problem here is then you'd be in phoenix, which is loving awful in almost every way imaginable. the thing i don't understand is, if you have the ability to air-dry your clothes...why wouldn't you? they feel so much better and fresher! dryer-dried clothes always feel/smell a little...machney or something.
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Jul 18, 2023 12:36
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poo poo, Mali is the place to be if you're a spy, eh
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Amphigory posted:poo poo, Mali is the place to be if you're a spy, eh Cameroon has dot cm, and China has dot cn. I think Colombia has dot co. Cameroon prolly gets a lot of wrong emails.
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Well this happened even sooner than expected https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/17/desantis-pac-ai-generated-trump-in-ad-00106695
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I kind of figured AI generated misinformation is gonna be either the main or one of the main stories coming out of this next election. That generated audio of Trump was stilted and his cadence is so weird, but once they lock it down I don't think I would be able to tell the difference.
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If you post a picture of someone with text underneath, a significant portion of the people who see it will just assume it's a real, direct quote without any further interrogation. AI stuff will definitely make it *worse* but I'm not sure if it'll be, like, radically worse. Misinformation is already everywhere
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abelwingnut posted:the thing i don't understand is, if you have the ability to air-dry your clothes...why wouldn't you? they feel so much better and fresher! dryer-dried clothes always feel/smell a little...machney or something.
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withoutclass posted:Well this happened even sooner than expected https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/17/desantis-pac-ai-generated-trump-in-ad-00106695 The audio waves animation is a small detail but one that adds insult to injury. It implies the audio is authentic.
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Lemming posted:If you post a picture of someone with text underneath, a significant portion of the people who see it will just assume it's a real, direct quote without any further interrogation. AI stuff will definitely make it *worse* but I'm not sure if it'll be, like, radically worse. Misinformation is already everywhere Alot of it has to do with the quality of the fake primary documents that are being generated by AI. It's one thing to refute a bad headline but another when everyone is actually listening to the audio or seeing a video that is fake but looks convincingly real. Then the argument becomes about whether the event even happened, not whether the headline is lying about an event. I'm interested in a debate about what a candidate supports with AI generated content pretending to be the candidates' actual words saying completely contrary things. I guess it just makes it easier to confirm our own biases if you can find audio and video of a person saying whatever you want. Edit: The Trump one is kind of interesting because its apparently a tweet he put out and they just used AI to dictate it in Trumps voice. I don't really know if I would qualify that as misinformation since Trump said it, just in a different format.
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Lemming posted:If you post a picture of someone with text underneath, a significant portion of the people who see it will just assume it's a real, direct quote without any further interrogation. AI stuff will definitely make it *worse* but I'm not sure if it'll be, like, radically worse. Misinformation is already everywhere Yeah but like the Trump grab them by the pussy thing wouldn't have been as impactful if it was actual audio of him.
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gurragadon posted:I kind of figured AI generated misinformation is gonna be either the main or one of the main stories coming out of this next election. That generated audio of Trump was stilted and his cadence is so weird, but once they lock it down I don't think I would be able to tell the difference. But nobody will notice because they'll be too busy watching their AI generated Star Wars movies where Disney doesn't have to pay anyone residuals.
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You know how sometimes you see a movie with just absolute dogshit writing, but the actors somehow manage to make it work? So long to that I guess.
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To be fair I can't really tell the difference between AI and non-AI Disney Star Wars stuff anyway. Weren't they already bringing actors back to life with CGI?
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gurragadon posted:To be fair I can't really tell the difference between AI and non-AI Disney Star Wars stuff anyway. Weren't they already bringing actors back to life with CGI? Yep. Did it with Peter Cushing as Tarkin in Rogue One (instead of hiring the entirely capable and criminally underutilized Wayne Pygram, who very briefly played the role at the end of Revenge of the Sith), and also a young Carrie Fisher as Leia, though she was still alive at that point.
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Mzbundifund posted:You know how sometimes you see a movie with just absolute dogshit writing, but the actors somehow manage to make it work? So long to that I guess.
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gurragadon posted:Alot of it has to do with the quality of the fake primary documents that are being generated by AI. It's one thing to refute a bad headline but another when everyone is actually listening to the audio or seeing a video that is fake but looks convincingly real. Then the argument becomes about whether the event even happened, not whether the headline is lying about an event. Get ready for a lot more of that poo poo moving forward as deepfake poo poo gets more prominent. It's gonna loving suck. Half of us already are incapable of discerning actual facts from fiction and it's gonna reach critical mass when pretty much everyone who gets caught doing anything wrong or illegal is gonna claim "deepfake news".
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Rebel Blob posted:Relating to the conversation about converting offices to housing, here is an office in San Rafael that has done just that. Not inside a major city, but an interesting example. Listed for $520,000 for a 1,066 ft² 1 bedroom/1 bath condo (with $655 a month in HOA fees). To me, the most bizarre thing about this is that they left the drat drop ceiling in place.
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Can't wait to remove some ceiling tiles and crawl into my neighbor's apartment, half a million well spent!
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Roadie posted:To me, the most bizarre thing about this is that they left the drat drop ceiling in place. Load-bearing drop ceiling
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BiggerBoat posted:Get ready for a lot more of that poo poo moving forward as deepfake poo poo gets more prominent. It's gonna loving suck. Half of us already are incapable of discerning actual facts from fiction and it's gonna reach critical mass when pretty much everyone who gets caught doing anything wrong or illegal is gonna claim "deepfake news". It's a concern to be sure but I think in most cases there's going to be people who can testify to authenticity. We can already fake documents and electronic records but that doesn't stop either from being used as evidence in the judicial system or the court of public opinion. Even records released by hackers on the payroll of foreign governments are treated as trustworthy because believable forgeries are more complicated than just putting words on paper. In that way you can fake a video, or a document, and upload it to the internet and it'll get circulated in insular reactionary groups but it'll stay there until law enforcement or major news organisations vet it. It's not really a technology issue. It's psychology or humanity or whatever you want to call it. There's people who will believe whatever fits into the narratives they bought into. You can go on the internet and write that JFK will come back to overthrow the government and some people thinks that totally checks out because someone wrote it.
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Mercury_Storm posted:Can't wait to remove some ceiling tiles and crawl into my neighbor's apartment, half a million well spent! Nah, look at the edges of the ceiling. The tiles are cut to match the walls, so the walls go all the way up. ...which means they took down the drop ceiling to put the partition walls and probably wiring changes and such in, and then put the drop ceiling back up.
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Roadie posted:Nah, look at the edges of the ceiling. The tiles are cut to match the walls, so the walls go all the way up. It looks exactly like it did before they converted it. 
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Roadie posted:Nah, look at the edges of the ceiling. The tiles are cut to match the walls, so the walls go all the way up. There are some "before" pictures of the office in the listing, they didn't change the walls, ceiling, or carpet. They just tossed all of the office furniture, installed kitchen and bathroom, and painted.
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I think we're going to more immediately see a crash of the AI bubble shortly. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/17/ai-will-be-the-biggest-bubble-of-all-time-stability-ai-ceo.html When that hot air artist Emad is nattering about that, especially with the rats bailing...
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Owling Howl posted:It's not really a technology issue. It's psychology or humanity or whatever you want to call it. There's people who will believe whatever fits into the narratives they bought into. You can go on the internet and write that JFK will come back to overthrow the government and some people thinks that totally checks out because someone wrote it. This is a truly wild example of what's on the horizon (tl;dr for a 1 minute video: a clickhole gag has been the "source" for a fact that has been re-uploaded so many times that it's now more common than the truth.)
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Shrecknet posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MEsfPuQdw4 This isn't a new phenomenon. see the 'facts' people repeat like how much of our brain we use, right brain vs left brain, astrology, etc.
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How many spiders the average person eats a year in their sleep is another good one
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I once posted a joke "fact" that "did you know that hummingbirds aren't actually birds? They are actually nature's largest bee." And I got a few people 
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Professor Beetus posted:I once posted a joke "fact" that "did you know that hummingbirds aren't actually birds? They are actually nature's largest bee." And I got a few people https://youtu.be/fzMEg9ynmiU
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