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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

The Return: Russia's Journey from Gorbachev to Medvedev was written in 2012 and is pretty good, if still liberal in outlook.

A refreshing and deeply reported look at the political, economic, and cultural changes in Russia, with an in-depth examination of Vladimir Putin’s rise, the power of the oligarchy, and what it means for the world.

Almost twenty-five years after Mikhail Gorbachev began radically reshaping his country, Russia has changed beyond recognition. In his third book on this subject, Professor Daniel Treisman takes stock of the country that has emerged from the debris of Soviet communism and addresses the questions that preoccupy scholars of its history and politics: Why did the Soviet Union disintegrate? Could its collapse have been avoided? Did Yeltsin destroy too much or too little of the Soviet political order? What explains Putin’s unprecedented popularity with the Russian public?

Based on two decades of research and his own experiences in the country, Treisman cuts through the scholarly and journalistic debates to provide a portrait of a country returning to the international community on its own terms. At a time when global politics are more important than ever, The Return illuminates the inner workings of a country that has increasingly come to influence, and which will continue to shape, American foreign policy and world events.

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:

I only remember players using the underbarrel grenade launcher like a mortar, shooting off grenades at memorized angles at the start of a round to hit players as they run from the spawn.

You could do this with RPG-7s, too.

Dropshots were a great way to style on people who didn't know what they were doing.

Vulin
Jun 15, 2012
Ukraine should go around the russian trenches imo, sounds like an easy solution

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

Frosted Flake posted:

This is 100% what happened.

Go back three months. Every long form article or press release was about how we were training and equipping Ukraine to fight exactly like us.

The two most influential publications of the past 10 years are The Russian Way of War and Defeating the Russian BTG, and you can see how much of Ukrainian tactics and operations, as well as NATO statements and think tank predictions, draw from that.

Found this article from 2 years before the war
https://warontherocks.com/2020/04/is-the-infantry-brigade-combat-team-becoming-obsolete/

quote:

The centerpiece of the Army’s operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, the infantry brigade combat team, is in danger of becoming obsolete in the face of near-peer opponents.

So was there many publications within the military academy about the obsolescence of BCTs against peer enemies?
Seems the US created a military that's well suited to overseas missions against much weaker opponents, but struggles against a peer enemy in an artillery battle.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Therefore, the larger capitals beat the smaller. It will further be remembered that, with the development of the capitalist mode of production, there is an increase in the minimum amount of individual capital necessary to carry on a business under its normal conditions. The smaller capitals, therefore, crowd into spheres of production which Modern Industry has only sporadically or incompletely got hold of. Here competition rages.... It always ends in the ruin of many small capitalists, whose capitals partly pass into the hands of their conquerors, partly vanish."[10]

Das Kapital, vol. 1, ch. 25

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch25.htm

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Frosted Flake posted:

I have it on very good authority from a liberal historian that the reason we are smarter than the ancient Greeks is our ability to turn theory into production: "It has always been a cause for puzzlement as to why the Greeks, intellectual pathfinders in every branch of pure science, should have revealed so stubborn a streak of tribal naiveté when it came to economics."

Oh, that stuff is good. The apex of that reasoning is about Heron of Alexandria and his steam engine, leading of course to "why there was no industrial revolution" which is loving lmao.

It's gamer's historiography: researching the tech means you unlock the thing. Steam engine means factories! Why it didn't happen?

Technology isn't just an invention, it's the whole structure that makes an invention work for a determinate social purpose. That same bullshit about the Greeks and the steam engine has a very similar problem when they go into "why China or India didn't become economic superpowers and lost to the West". Again, gamer's historiography. China and India didn't have the steam engine and had obsolete tech, so they have to lose, right?

Except that China was an economic superpower that held the lion's share of estimated GDP until the Opium Wars. It was able to outmatch European (and especially British) industrial productivity for a fair bit of the 19th century, which is why it didn't import much. The British state was able to inflict those defeats by having the organization to employ industrial means of warfare, inflicting commercial dependency, etc (besides the whole book of dirty tricks of imperialism ofc)

What those people miss is that the socio-economic structure didn't need the sort of organization to employ productivity multipliers by technology, because such multipliers only become necessary through labor scarcity or through capitalism, where more production is required for the sake of further capital accumulation. With immense abundance of labor in a vast territory with even more abundant resources, it's possible to have literal millions of artisans supported by more millions of peasants producing everything necessary and more; economies of scale aren't exclusive to industrial production, after all.

Besides, there has to be formative accumulation for those inventions to find their place. Industrial tooling comes from manufactories, which come from developing organized division of labor and so on, which are all social developments as well. Tribal naïveté is an astonishingly bad take because it neglects the much broader historical environment that makes an industrial steam engine not only very useful but also viable.

The other side of takes like these is that it leaves wide open the issue of when you have the social conditions, the technology and economic understanding to direct those means into solving problems and deliberately develop productive forces, like in our present. Unlike these other contexts, ours is much worse because we are dealing with ideology, not with the actual horizon of material possibilities

and that would be two mediums fries please

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Oh also the 40mm grenades in the M203s had a minimum arming range, they'd just bounce off surfaces and never go off if they hit anything within that minimum range. If they hit a person they'd do negligible damage. Unless you shot them in the face with it, then they'd die, which was probably the ultimate way to style on somebody.

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Marenghi posted:

Found this article from 2 years before the war
https://warontherocks.com/2020/04/is-the-infantry-brigade-combat-team-becoming-obsolete/

So was there many publications within the military academy about the obsolescence of BCTs against peer enemies?
Seems the US created a military that's well suited to overseas missions against much weaker opponents, but struggles against a peer enemy in an artillery battle.

they struggled against weaker opponents too lmao

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Orange Devil posted:

So far so good, and explains a lot of the last 30-35 years in a really neat way, but there's one puzzle piece I'm missing: why and how did Russia not get integrated into the global bourgeois cybernetic capitalist system? The ruling class certainly was and is the bourgeoisie, and yet clearly we are witnessing bourgeois intra-class struggle that has escalated to open military conflict, because the interests of the Russian bourgeoisie was never fully brought in line with the interests of cybernetic capitalism. Why not?

The post breakup gangsters looted the country so thoroughly there wasn't anything left to integrate into the global capitalist class. There needs to be some kind of central authority and unified ruling class for capitalism to capture, and post Soviet Russia mostly had a disunited band of financial warlords.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Nix Panicus posted:

The post breakup gangsters looted the country so thoroughly there wasn't anything left to integrate into the global capitalist class. There needs to be some kind of central authority and unified ruling class for capitalism to capture, and post Soviet Russia mostly had a disunited band of financial warlords.

I mean, capital seems perfectly able to integrate warlords to get at the resources they control in other places, like say, Congo?

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

I used a misleading term. Actual warlords need guns and ammo to subdue a restive populace and battle other warlords, and the west has no qualms about showering warlords with weapons in exchange for looting their country. The Russian oligarchs didn't need the wests military backing and were inherently suspicious of western finance because of their experiences under the Soviets, so they were harder to outright buy off. What can global capital offer when you can buy unlimited weapons, drugs, whatever you want from the wreckage of your own former empire?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Orange Devil posted:

On the plus (?) side, the strategy outlined in "Defeating the Russian BTG" appears to have worked in the earlier counteroffensives, before mobilization and changes to the Russian force structure. Ukraine lacked the materiel to really capitalize on that, but it does point to had Russia been fighting with its BTG directly against NATO, with NATO following the "Defeating the Russian BTG" playbook, then Russia would have eaten a lot of poo poo.

nato doesn't have the manpower to do the kind of mass assaults that worked against the btgs or the political will to sustain the casualties required even if they did, though

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
i just remember all the seemingly unscreened tanks which seems insane when you know your enemy has plenty of good anti-tank weapons, some of them long range and guided

weird disregard for the lives of the tank crews and all their experience

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Marx really hosed up by making Das Kapital so loving obtuse and impossible to read.

Even people that pretend to be commies won't touch that poo poo.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

There is an entire chapter on the steam engine on one of these books on Hellenistic technology - the term itself reveals trying to understand the past through the ideology of the present because the Greek techne means craftsmanship, which as you explained, is what it was.

Like the many, many wheeled toys that have been found in Mesoamerican societies that “never invented the wheel”, the actual social and material reality does not translate into liberal history. There is not a single animal indigenous to Mexico or Peru that can pull a plow or wheeled vehicle, so even if they had “invented” plows and (larger) wheels for their own sake - what were they going to do with them?

21st century liberals are still finding ways to say these people were stupid and primitive unlike the Enlightened Europeans, without looking at anything material. I’d go further and suggest they deliberately avoid a materialist approach because it undermines their own sense of superiority. If oxen and horses lived in the Americas, I’m sure these complex and productive societies would have developed them. Look how quickly all indigenous societies that encountered the horse and cattle, worldwide, adopted them.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 18:15 on Jul 18, 2023

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Ok yes and the Russian oligarchs had bigger ambitions than being the regional VP for some western multinational

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Frosted Flake posted:

There is an entire chapter on the steam engine on one of these books on Hellenistic technology - the term itself reveals trying to understand the past through the ideology of the present because the Greek techne means craftsmanship, which as you explained, is what it was.

Like the many, many wheeled toys that have been found in Mesoamerican societies that “never invented the wheel”, the actual social and material reality does not translate into liberal history. There is not a single animal indigenous to Mexico or Peru that can pull a plow or wheeled vehicle, so even if they had “invented” plows and (larger) wheels for their own sake - what were they going to do with them?

The problem there is conceptualizing the thing as "the steam engine". That's not a useful way to think, it's great man theory basically, one day someone came along and invented ~*~this thing~*~. But that's not how it works. There were countless steam engines, and each was improved upon incrementally countless times by countless people. Early industrial revolution steam engines blew up a lot, for example, and only through a whole bunch of advances in metallurgy did both the reliability and output improve to be able to be used in ever more industrial applications.

So ok yeah, maybe ancient Greeks knew about the principles of the steam engine, but they did not have the metallurgical processes to create a boiler that could have a practical use, nor did they possess the tools to create such a metallurgical process, nor did they have the tools to create those tools. I don't know, but they might not have even had the standards of measurement required for such tools either.

It's like to go from the bronze to the iron age you need to go through an iterative process a whole bunch of times to be able to reliably melt and work iron into tools and weapons. You don't just need to discover iron.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Almost like it’s iterative improvements in craftsmanship… techne-ology.

Vulin
Jun 15, 2012
German military is ordering "several hundred thousand" artillery shells for 1.2bn€. It will take until 2029 for the order to be completed. Lol

https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/news-watch/news/2023/7/2023-07-18-rheinmetall-receives-major-order-for-artillery-shells-by-bundeswehr

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Hearing more and more about this WWIII thing being scheduled for 2030.

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

gradenko_2000 posted:

He gets to type out long posts about Galicia on his phone

a modern Hemingway

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Vulin posted:

German military is ordering "several hundred thousand" artillery shells for 1.2bn€. It will take until 2029 for the order to be completed. Lol

https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/news-watch/news/2023/7/2023-07-18-rheinmetall-receives-major-order-for-artillery-shells-by-bundeswehr

The wording mean under a million to me so best price possible is like 1200$/shell.

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

seems like shells should cost less than that but maybe not

speng31b
May 8, 2010

lobster shirt posted:

seems like shells should cost less than that but maybe not

FF, why do shells cost??? Please answer in 4000 words or lessmore

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
Hand crafted by noldor smiths

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Nix Panicus posted:

I was thinking more about the cavalier attitude towards war crimes than uniform maintenance, but sure thats probably also a problem

Unpolished boots are the broken windows of military discipline.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

speng31b posted:

FF, why do shells cost??? Please answer in 4000 words or lessmore

$300.

speng31b
May 8, 2010


I'm not paying you for chatgpt bitch

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Frosted Flake posted:

Unpolished boots are the broken windows of military discipline.

Broken window theory is bullshit though.

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

7 year old article but lol: https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...ing-150000-each

quote:

The Canadian Army has restricted the use of its high-tech artillery shells after the U.S. military discovered cracks in the same warheads in its inventory.

The 155mm Excalibur shells are guided to their targets by Global Positioning System satellites and cost more than $150,000 each.

...

Regular artillery shells are estimated to cost around $2,000 each.

also it features a quote from someone named krysthle

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Vomik posted:

a modern Hemingway

For sale, artillery shells, delivery 2029.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Orange Devil posted:

So I just had a shower thought + question about cybernetic capitalism:

History of all hitherto existing society is that of class struggle, and it is class struggle between various ruling classes that creates military conflict. It makes sense then that in the post-Soviet world where capitalism integrated everything into itself, the role of the military changed. You don't need to fight a conventional war against somebody else's ruling class if the bourgeois class is the ruling class everywhere and they're all plugged into cybernetic capitalism, and thus share class interests and avoid the intra-class struggle that is military conflict. Instead you need only to keep the working class down. The primary tools there are buying off any individuals who appear to be gaining traction, basically bringing them into the system, or if they are resistant to that, getting the intelligence services to get rid of them, like say Daphne Caruana Galizia getting blown up in Malta. To prevent the rabble from being able to change anything, you invest more heavily into the police.

Internationally the picture is the same really, you bring in the bourgeois ruling classes of the rest of the world by buying them off. You get rid of the few individuals who resist, and you change your military to become a colonial police force to control the rabble. The police becomes militarized, the military becomes policified. Your main products are financial derivatives and venture capital which lets you put the money hose on troublemakers, and you don't need traditional industries like say steel plants, because you don't need that kind of military anymore. As the bourgeois class becomes more united globally, there is less intra-class struggle, and the inter-class struggle against the working class intensifies.

Makes sense then also that China is perceived as the biggest threat, for China is not ruled by the bourgeois class. To make matters worse, while individuals can be corrupted with money or otherwise targeted to be dealt with, China has created an institution that is resistant to such corruption or such targeted destruction in the form of the CPC.

So far so good, and explains a lot of the last 30-35 years in a really neat way, but there's one puzzle piece I'm missing: why and how did Russia not get integrated into the global bourgeois cybernetic capitalist system? The ruling class certainly was and is the bourgeoisie, and yet clearly we are witnessing bourgeois intra-class struggle that has escalated to open military conflict, because the interests of the Russian bourgeoisie was never fully brought in line with the interests of cybernetic capitalism. Why not?

cybernetic capitalism as a system is, above all, in the stability business, specifically maintaining stability of class relations. one dimension of that is "vertical," i.e., maintaining relations between capitalist and worker, while another dimension is "horizontal," i.e., maintaining stability between core and periphery. this is why, for example, turkey can't join the EU. in order for russia to become integrated into the larger cybernetic system, the russian bourgeoisie would have to accept russia being permanently relegated to a semi-periphery or periphery space relative to the core, which yeltsin was supposed to facilitate, but which the russian bourgeoisie were ultimately unwilling or unable to.

Nix Panicus posted:

Ok yes and the Russian oligarchs had bigger ambitions than being the regional VP for some western multinational

basically this

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
jist dipping back in had a ceasefire been negotiated yet??

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
lol no. in fact the grain deal is ending and Ukraine attacked the bridge from Crimea killing several civilians
:waycool:

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

speng31b posted:

I'm not paying you for chatgpt bitch

I posted the line items the other day.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

gradenko_2000 posted:

describing gore videos in painstaking detail is barely any better than just posting the link, but in this case it seems like Tony Tone isn't actually liking it and is talking about how repulsive it is?

:sam:

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

From the Historical Materialism Book Series you should all be reading, The Falling Rate of Profit and the Great Recession of 2007-2009: A New Approach to Applying Marx’s Value Theory and Its Implications for Socialist Strategy

In The Falling Rate of Profit and the Great Recession of 2007-2009, Peter H. Jones develops a new non-equilibrium interpretation of the labour theory of value Karl Marx builds in Capital. Applying this to US national accounting data, Jones shows that when measured correctly the profit rate falls in the lead up to the Great Recession, and for the main reason Marx identifies: the rising organic composition of capital.
Jones also details a new theory of finance, which shows how cycles in the profit rate relate to stock market booms and slumps, and movements in the interest rate. He discusses the implications of the analysis and Marx and Engels’ work generally for a democratic socialist strategy.

tl;dr Marx was right, spreadsheets and fart apps still have a falling rate of profit.

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Frosted Flake posted:

I posted the line items the other day.

oh lol

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Al! posted:

jist dipping back in had a ceasefire been negotiated yet??

Lavrov met with some American establishment types in Washington to discuss how the war might come to an end and when it came out it did not go over well with Ukraine or the terminally online.

**the Ukraine position is still that Russia has to relinquish all territorial claims including Crimea (back to the supposed 1990's borders) as a starting point to negotiations, and then submit to prosecution of government officials as war criminals and major reparations.

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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Starsfan posted:

Lavrov met with some American establishment types in Washington to discuss how the war might come to an end and when it came out it did not go over well with Ukraine or the terminally online.

who cares what the coop government of ukraine or the nafo guys want, get it done!!!

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