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rotor posted:anyone who makes me do more work deserves death, nothing less and nothing more idk, I’m the idiot who accepted my role, and I’m also the idiot who hired the other idiot who made more work for me. I don’t particularly know what’s going on in the other idiots life rn, so unless an absolutely ridiculous PR comes through or they decide to go full aggro on someone, I don’t really have a full-picture way to diagnose the issue and offer resolutions and see how they go beyond “hey we need this for the release this week that you’ve had a month to work on, either poo poo or get off the pot” I’m just glad everyone recognises that not every hire is going to be as good as my first three were. that was definitely the scary bit when new hires ended up not working out. I thought it’d reflect poorly on me, but instead it just solidified their opinions because I apparently noticed issues early and started trying to get them on the right track and then didn’t lose a year or two to it
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i did a bad hire and my career took a significant hit.
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DELETE CASCADE posted:the most satisfying thing in life is when someone asks you to do work, but through careful examination of their request, you determine that it is they who must do the work doublecame
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:this is how we do it and it’s still aggravating because whoops the talent pool willing to deal with that is actually a puddle and also I still feel bad having to let people go, even if they made my job harder and made me have to do more work
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DELETE CASCADE posted:the most satisfying thing in life is when someone asks you to do work, but through careful examination of their request, you determine that it is they who must do the work there is not
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FMguru posted:is there any better feeling in the world than sifting through your outlook sent items archive, finding the long-ago email conversation where you explicitly handed off a task to someone else, and then forwarding it to them (and their manager) when they come after you for not doing that thing? yeah, there is. have you ever done a creampie
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PokeJoe posted:usually the worst or newest devs are willing to do contract to perm. if you want good devs you gotta do perm from the get go. what kind of skilled person takes a poo poo contract w no bennies yup, when I started out I was newish to mobile development and really cut my teeth here, and they actually sought me out from my previous technical consultant role because they hoped I could pick up the ropes quickly, and lucky for me I did  but ya I’m hoping we get that changed next year
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met with the HR head today for the start up. they have been given a great outlook for scaling. 65 person company already has ladders and future roles defined. plan on hiring more design/research next year and have a hiring plan. regular employee feedback surveys, current focus on personal development. there’s a few people from old company’s early days who are working there and some that are in the interview pipeline. they do have a 2 year run way, can claim profitability next year but plan to grow more. they got their series a in this economy so i’m fairly impressed. starting to really get excited. have a few more rounds of interviews next and a white boarding session. they’re building the designer interview plane as it’s flying, which is not unfamiliar to me. having been in the interviewer chair this all feels easy and not stressful at all. srs if you can get some xp doing interviews it makes the process way less stressful. any good questions to ask EMs at early stage start ups? I have been using The Questions on the first post. cheese eats mouse fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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rotor posted:huh? oh
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cheese eats mouse posted:met with the HR head today for the start up. they have been given a great outlook for scaling. 65 person company already has ladders and future roles defined. plan on hiring more design/research next year and have a hiring plan. regular employee feedback surveys, current focus on personal development. there’s a few people from old company’s early days who are working there and some that are in the interview pipeline. they do have a 2 year run way, can claim profitability next year but plan to grow more. they got their series a in this economy so i’m fairly impressed. whats the catch? its crypto, fintech or social media?  anyway good for you congrats
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so i am wondering that if an interview process is maybe not a good idea for gauging good candidates, then what could someone do to back up their talk? have demonstrable contributions to an open source project? show off a hobby thing?
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DELETE CASCADE posted:the most satisfying thing in life is when someone asks you to do work, but through careful examination of their request, you determine that it is they who must do the work this is my superpower and in hindsight probably why all of my managers held on to me with an iron grip through multiple rounds of layoffs
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4lokos basilisk posted:so i am wondering that if an interview process is maybe not a good idea for gauging good candidates, then what could someone do to back up their talk? have demonstrable contributions to an open source project? show off a hobby thing? yeah being able to walk through other stuff they've built is a really good indicator but the problem is a lot of pros like to have lives outside of work & their work consists of things they can't discuss or share. so your positive signals are very likely to be good but you'll hit a lot of false negatives with it
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DELETE CASCADE posted:the most satisfying thing in life is when someone asks you to do work, but through careful examination of their request, you determine that it is they who must do the work pulled this on a PM who had copied my boss on his request for a project progress report while I was on PTO last week and it was divine
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i generalize some recent customer tickets we received where the problem was very obviously on the customer's side, ones where no knowledge of our product is necessary, and walk the candidates through them. they cover different areas at a basic level like networking, operating systems, etc, and candidates should be able to pretty quickly know what the problem is. sometimes i can tell they're tripping up trying to think what weird bullshit about our product would cause that and at that point i step in and tell them, 'this isn't a trick question' and the good candidates then get it immediately like the one i've been using recently is a ticket where a customer is saying their reports aren't working with no further information provided. after a bit of coaxing you get the customer to read the error message to you, which is this cryptic sequence of characters: unable to resolve hostname can you solve this dastardly riddle in time!?
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rotor posted:from a hiring perspective, IDEALLY i would hire people contract-to-perm because that would let me bounce clowns if it became clear that they were clowns. But, understandably, no one likes that, so the next best thing is to be real sure they're not clowns up front. could easily do something like this with a union and apprenticeship program so it's not terrible for the worker either. some clowns just need a bit of help wiping the face paint off. rotor posted:i did a bad hire and my career took a significant hit. that sounds like a bullshit org. did everyone who signed off on this person also take a hit?
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cheese eats mouse posted:any good questions to ask EMs at early stage start ups? I have been using The Questions on the first post. [I owe you a response to your message, I will get to it]
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Poopernickel posted:yossers: is this a real thing? no. i dismissed that part as obvious bait.
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i've had several contractors who went perm and were amazing the key is that you don't define it as contract-to-perm initially. you hire a contractor for a project and if they turn out to be a rockstar, you offer them a permanent role by that same token, if you're someone with nothing but 6-12 month contracts on their resume and no permanent long term gigs, we're probably not going to consider you for a permanent long term gig without first having you on as a contractor
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PokeJoe posted:yeah, there is. have you ever done a creampie lmfao
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DELETE CASCADE posted:the most satisfying thing in life is when someone asks you to do work, but through careful examination of their request, you determine that it is they who must do the work I don't know, I really like when somebody asks me to do something that's actually in my wheelhouse and is an appropriate task for me to do. Carefully examining their request and pushing it back to them sounds like an awful lot of work to me.
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we have an utterly helpless dev who needs constant handholding. they frequently ask others to deploy their code for them saying they don't know how to deploy -- despite the deploy process consisting of "select a git tag from a dropdown, or type it in manaully if you so desire. click deploy" so of course any time they need to deploy, they go to ops and ask us to do it for them
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DELETE CASCADE posted:the most satisfying thing in life is when someone asks you to do work, but through careful examination of their request, you determine that it is they who must do the work
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nudgenudgetilt posted:we have an utterly helpless dev who needs constant handholding. some people are just awful and incapable of learning, but I have gotten a LOT of mileage out of the question "What have you tried?" sometimes intelligent people just get too in their own head about stuff and need a little push to think about something other than "gently caress idk how to do this at all" asking people what they've tried helps in a lot of ways:
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if its not imposter syndrome or anything nearby and they really just don't want to learn, just assign them all the tickets that are annoying and unimportant and hope that they quit soon
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qua-qua-qua-quanster kill
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4lokos basilisk posted:whats the catch? its crypto, fintech or social media? it’s physical product market research. think new air fryers and food and drink they’re trying to be the usertesting.com of physical product research cheese eats mouse fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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qirex posted:[I owe you a response to your message, I will get to it] good stuff. also no worries
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KidDynamite posted:could easily do something like this with a union [pinches bridge of nose] son, quote:that sounds like a bullshit org. did everyone who signed off on this person also take a hit? it kind of is bullshit but also i sorta went to bat for the dude
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So when they say "spend 2 to 3 hours on this take-home project" how many hours are most people actually spending on it?
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last take home was a weekend for me of on and off work but i’m a tryhard admittedly
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Depends, does it seem finishable? Sometimes they don't expect you to complete it, sometimes they do. Spend as much time as you care to tbh, I don't like to work for hours for free but you might really want this job 
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did we ever figure out what's the clown test
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whats the rate of hires being good? i thought it was consistent around 70% for decades, dating all the way back to fermi problema being the interviewing norm
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Doom Mathematic posted:So when they say "spend 2 to 3 hours on this take-home project" how many hours are most people actually spending on it? the last takehome I did i think was two evenings work
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JawnV6 posted:did we ever figure out what's the clown test they walk you into an office with nothing but a monitor then they turn it off
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JawnV6 posted:did we ever figure out what's the clown test dude i interview so many fuckin clowns i mean we covered this many pages ago but i had like 3/4ths of candidates unable to do a fizzbuzz given 30 minutes to do so
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rotor posted:“ive never shipped a bug to prod” means you dont ship or you dont test conversely, "ive only shipped bugs to prod" also probably means you dont test.
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