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PurpleXVI posted:Serious reply: It would almost certainly go poorly for whatever Russian bribes the ANC is enjoying. That's bound to be their motivation rather than any sort of actual fear of Russian warships. 2023 needs, and frankly deserves, a remake of the classic Baltic Fleet World Tour of 1905.
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Fearless posted:I suspect it's a way of buying more time to keep from heavily conscripting the inhabitants of Moscow and St. Petersburg. Those will never be mobilised easily because the conscript pay is astronomical to the regions but just above median there.
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Hypnobeard posted:Just send in the paratroopers, bing bong done. How much of the VDV even exists at this point?
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PurpleXVI posted:I suppose it makes sense, 60-year-old officers might actually have hands-on experience with the Soviet relics they're hauling out of storage. they know where to siphon the alcohol out of them
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Jul 18, 2023 23:45
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Does Ukraine have tanker aircraft? Be funny if they Yamamoto his rear end over the Indian Ocean
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:they know where to siphon the alcohol out of them Good post/av combo. Vas would know.
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Vengarr posted:2023 needs, and frankly deserves, a remake of the classic Baltic Fleet World Tour of 1905. Unlike the 1905 trip I doubt they actually make it to their destination and just end up with vessels scattered across various ports along the route suffering from maintenance issues. That said, if they do manage to sight the horn, South Africa has 4 reasonably modern frigates and 3 modern German submarines which is more than I think the Russian navy can handle.
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Hypnobeard posted:Just send in the paratroopers, bing bong done. Vengarr posted:2023 needs, and frankly deserves, a remake of the classic Baltic Fleet World Tour of 1905.
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it does feel like a redo of 1905 is a thousand times more likely now than anyone would've estimated 24 or even 12 months ago.
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Murgos posted:Unlike the 1905 trip I doubt they actually make it to their destination and just end up with vessels scattered across various ports along the route suffering from maintenance issues. Based on performance so far, a clutch of shore launched Exocets might do for whatever expeditionary force makes it there.
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Jul 19, 2023 01:49
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fartknocker posted:How much of the VDV even exists at this point? In headcount, probably more than at the beginning of the war. In skills and experience, lol, lmao. For some reason the Russians seem to prefer to preferentially replenish "elite" units like the 1 Guards Tank Army and the VDV units, instead of spreading people around or raising new units. 1GTA has had it's frontline elements virtually wiped out twice, and is again supposedly fully replenished. Of course, this means that at this point "VDV" and "1GTA" probably don't mean much anymore, other than they get better guns and more ammo.
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Tuna-Fish posted:In headcount, probably more than at the beginning of the war. this is pretty normal for a lot of reasons. like you could wind down the 1GTA, but you'd just stand up a new formation with the same job and the same bases built around a cadre of 1GTA survivors anyway. goes all the way back to like the persian Immortals at least.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:this is pretty normal for a lot of reasons. like you could wind down the 1GTA, but you'd just stand up a new formation with the same job and the same bases built around a cadre of 1GTA survivors anyway.
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Tuna-Fish posted:Of course, this means that at this point "VDV" and "1GTA" probably don't mean much anymore, other than they get better guns and more ammo.
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Nessus posted:I think this is more putting your guys in the Guards units means that your non-Guards units get increasingly raggedy and lovely and demoralized, while doing something more equitable might lead to overall better combat power. Well, also the unit being Guards often just means that the WWII predecessor of that unit was. That, or the unit did something like Bucha and Putin wanted to enjoy pointing out that they got away with it. (Before Ukraine got rid of the old Soviet honors, and created a bunch of new units I am pretty sure the majority of its units were Guards. Weirdly the The 24th wasn't one despite having a more impressive record than many units that were, e.g. the near-to-my-old-hometown 28th).
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Jimmy Smuts posted:VDV gets those sweet striped shirts though, that adds +10 to their rifle accuracy. Doesn't help them swim though
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orange juche posted:Doesn't help them swim though
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fartknocker posted:How much of the VDV even exists at this point? V  V
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Murgos posted:Unlike the 1905 trip I doubt they actually make it to their destination and just end up with vessels scattered across various ports along the route suffering from maintenance issues. And if they make landfall, they will get carjacked the second they hit major populated areas. Perhaps even before they get off the beach at Durban. Then watch them discover how well BMPs deal with the massive potholes they can't see at night because load shedding is in effect. Make it inland and heavily armed Afrikaners will gleefully pull a remix of the commandoes, but with technical bakkies instead of horses. "By fok, Petrus! The Russians have landed! Let's have a braai and then go moer them."
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Jul 19, 2023 08:31
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deal: putin may not enter and die antwoord may never leave
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If the ICC arrests putin, Russia will retaliate by arresting Steven Seagal
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Jimmy Smuts posted:Holy poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwxjYFqP35A&t=29s
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Jimmy Smuts posted:VDV gets those sweet striped shirts though, that adds +10 to their rifle accuracy. 'Why do all these shirts have holes in the chest?'
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Deptfordx posted:'Why do all these shirts have holes in the chest?' I'd make a joke about the shirts smelling like salt water but I already did that. (for real though dropping multiple An-12s full of VDV into the black sea loaded with their full kit is the height of stupidity)
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Mzuri posted:And if they make landfall, they will get carjacked the second they hit major populated areas. Perhaps even before they get off the beach at Durban. Then watch them discover how well BMPs deal with the massive potholes they can't see at night because load shedding is in effect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUnznJRTlD8
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orange juche posted:I'd make a joke about the shirts smelling like salt water but I already did that. (for real though dropping multiple An-12s full of VDV into the black sea loaded with their full kit is the height of stupidity) Was that one actually confirmed by any sources? It felt like it was one of the more hilarious, but also more dubious, stories of the early invasion. Meanwhile, things have been happening overnight... https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1681580265703976961 quote:Russia opened a criminal case against Colonel of GRU Vladimir Kvachkov, a close Girkin's ally and a member of the "Angry Patriots Club", accusing him of discrediting the Russian Armed Forces. Purges will continue until morale improves. https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1681573951703597056 quote:The so-called head of occupied #Crimea, Sergey Aksyonov, said that an ammunition depot in the Kirovske district was on fire overnight and announced an evacuation of the residents of four settlements in the depot’s vicinity. I'm consistently surprised that Russia still has more ammo dumps to blow up, considering how many huge explosions we've seen over the last year and a half. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1681569162684932096 quote:Russian AA/artillery unit received 6 Tunguska air defence vehicles from MoD, likely from long conservation followed by major repairs - as a result, all six vehicles are disfunctional. More of the usual of Russia scraping the bottom of the barrel for functional military equipment.
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PurpleXVI posted:Was that one actually confirmed by any sources? It felt like it was one of the more hilarious, but also more dubious, stories of the early invasion. 
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PurpleXVI posted:Was that one actually confirmed by any sources? It felt like it was one of the more hilarious, but also more dubious, stories of the early invasion. At least two IL-76s shot down fully laden with paratroopers were confirmed by the US via an AWACS on the Polish border. I'm not sure *which* two IL-76s these were, and the Pentagon rather quickly stopped directly confirming Russian losses. https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497430637166407686
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Cythereal posted:At least two IL-76s shot down fully laden with paratroopers were confirmed by the US via an AWACS on the Polish border. I'm not sure *which* two IL-76s these were, and the Pentagon rather quickly stopped directly confirming Russian losses. I want to say the VDV dropped in the drink was because they were coming in towards Odessa from the black sea and were engaged by AAA and painted by SAMs and the pilots panicked and hit the green light too early. Only sourcing for it was a Visegrad24 tweet, but its still on brand for the VDV https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497664806958030851?s=20
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M_Gargantua posted:Why would 50 brave VDV retreat from their landing in such a cowardly fashion as to not even engage the enemy? Retreat? Bah. They decided to engage the sea itself, rather than puny Ukrainians. They learned far too late that Ukraine had a favor to call in with Neptune (they don’t slap his spear on everything for no reason, after all).
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Russia's invasion of the Water was a complete failure, the water won.
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orange juche posted:I want to say the VDV dropped in the drink was because they were coming in towards Odessa from the black sea and were engaged by AAA and painted by SAMs and the pilots panicked and hit the green light too early. Only sourcing for it was a Visegrad24 tweet, but its still on brand for the VDV This story reminds me of how Ukraine claimed multiple IL-76s full of airborne units were all shot down over Ukraine, but then the evidence of that was  Like even if a plane full of airborne troops was aloft and headed to try a drop against a known fortified city, if a pilot was afraid that a SAM was incoming, just turning around is faster than telling everyone to jump out of the airplane early and into the ocean before the aircrew flees.
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mlmp08 posted:This story reminds me of how Ukraine claimed multiple IL-76s full of airborne units were all shot down over Ukraine, but then the evidence of that was Check my post above the one you're quoting. At least two fully laden IL-76s were confirmed shot down by US intelligence aircraft.
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mlmp08 posted:Like even if a plane full of airborne troops was aloft and headed to try a drop against a known fortified city, if a pilot was afraid that a SAM was incoming, just turning around is faster than telling everyone to jump out of the airplane early and into the ocean before the aircrew flees. Idk about the Russians, but American Airborne elements are briefed on and practice emergency bailout procedures. If the pilots think imminent loss of the aircraft is occuring, they signal for an emergency bailout and it ends up being a mad dash for the door. The Jumpmaster commands are extremely truncated to just stand-up, hook-up, and Go. My only logic as to why the Russians would have dropped in the drink is that they either thought they were about to lose the aircraft and it's better to give the paratroopers in the back a fighting chance by exiting wherever vice joining the av gas fireball. Or if the Russians use a Computer Aided Release Point, they could have had wrong inputs or outputs which lead to a completely incorrect drop point. Or they could have been doing any navigational based drop and gotten it wrong. Or they could have been using GPS/GLONASS based drop point and their fuckery or Ukrainian EW could have thrown them off. You could go on and on, basically what mistake/effect or combination could make them take the wrong approach or drop at the wrong point and it's plausible. My money is on a malfunctioning Computer Aided Release Point combined with them being effected by Russian EW that wasn't properly deconflicted, that level of incompetence just feels right based off the past year and half.
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