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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I just want to know, with these nerfs, how does the game compare to PoE? Could a case be made that one is better? They both share some features with diablo 2
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Zeg posted:I'm nonplussed. Weren't they bragging how they were working on S3 already? Working on the season 3 mtx cosmetics lol
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i play diablo 4 for about 3 hours each evening and im having a blast! this patch adjusts much needed things and im fine with that.
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wemgo posted:The tea leaves are that sorc is getting a heavy revamp for season 2. It’d make sense considering the current meta/balance and how little time they spent fixing the glaring issues with the class with this patch. Why would you believe this lol. If that’s the plan why nerf sorc at all? Why not just throw it some goofy weird buffs to throw the class a bone and let them have fun.
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Jul 19, 2023 00:29
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WIFEY WATCHDOG posted:i play diablo 4 for about 3 hours each evening and im having a blast! this patch adjusts much needed things and im fine with that. Just as weak as a sorc in season 1
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OctaMurk posted:They should have nerfed vulnerable even harder. Like 80% instead of 40%. Maybe crit too, but at least crit feels more accessible. Why?
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WIFEY WATCHDOG posted:i play diablo 4 for about 3 hours each evening and im having a blast! this patch adjusts much needed things and im fine with that. 
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Jul 19, 2023 00:30
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Cervix-A-Lot posted:Why? Idk what the right value for vuln is, but pretty much every build had to have something that applied it because you could were crippling your build otherwise
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Jul 19, 2023 00:30
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zoux posted:Idk what the right value for vuln is, but pretty much every build had to have something that applied it because you could were crippling your build otherwise The design would be fixed by vuln being applied by a thing you hit every "X" seconds with the damage buckets they've created, but that's basic math and beyond the reach of the dev team
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How did they not reduce base cds with the CDR nerfzoux posted:Idk what the right value for vuln is, but pretty much every build had to have something that applied it because you could were crippling your build otherwise Nothing has changed in this respect
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Jul 19, 2023 00:32
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The season is gonna rule so hard!! The haters won't know what to do with themselves. Greatest season of all time!!
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30 TO 50 FERAL HOG posted:Why would you believe this lol. If that’s the plan why nerf sorc at all? Why not just throw it some goofy weird buffs to throw the class a bone and let them have fun. Some suit saw that people were breaking into the endgame too quickly and mandated a slowdown of overall progression to keep people playing the game longer/more hours. Sorc got hit with the resulting nerfs from this just like the other classes. Actual nerfs would have been to the damage/effectiveness of ice shards/nova and flame shield. But who knows. In blizz time the class rework will probably come with expac 1
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flashman posted:How did they not reduce base cds with the CDR nerf Hmm sounds like you want a power fantasy in your fantasy video game. That’s not what they had in mind when they were designing things.
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wemgo posted:Some suit saw that people were breaking into the endgame too quickly and mandated a slowdown of overall progression to keep people playing the game longer/more hours. I mean they specifically gutted devouring blaze, this was not in the crossfire, and a large source of damage for meta and off meta builds.
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flashman posted:How did they not reduce base cds with the CDR nerf Sounds like we need some more needs
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flashman posted:I mean they specifically gutted devouring blaze, this was not in the crossfire. It's an important part of that one video that took out the only boss they wanted people to try for 60 hours Honestly, the fight sucks and has terrible mechanics that don't help you learn at all. The guy who liked FFXIV learned absolutely nothing
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30 TO 50 FERAL HOG posted:Why would you believe this lol. If that’s the plan why nerf sorc at all? Why not just throw it some goofy weird buffs to throw the class a bone and let them have fun. gotta nerf before u buff
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zoux posted:Sounds like we need some more needs As long as the damage formula works as it does numerical nerfs aren't going to change anything wrt gear priority. Just getting rid of vuln would do the trick.
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flashman posted:I mean they specifically gutted devouring blaze, this was not in the crossfire, and a large source of damage for meta and off meta builds. This is the problem - the fact that someone looked at a very specific sorc passive (the class that gets the poo poo end of the stick already) and said to massively nerf that poo poo makes no sense.
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TracerBullet posted:This is the problem - the fact that someone looked at a very specific sorc passive (the class that gets the poo poo end of the stick already) and said to massively nerf that poo poo makes no sense. Its prob entirely because people were deleting Uber Lilith in it with one stagger, but they just made Sorc rear end to play in all other contexts as well
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Jul 19, 2023 00:43
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WIFEY WATCHDOG posted:i play diablo 4 for about 3 hours each evening and im having a blast! this patch adjusts much needed things and im fine with that.
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its illegal for you to ask me that
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Its prob entirely because people were deleting Uber Lilith in it with one stagger, but they just made Sorc rear end to play in all other contexts as well That was the aspect of control, on a weapon swap to two hander, which was also nerfed.
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Its prob entirely because people were deleting Uber Lilith in it with one stagger, but they just made Sorc rear end to play in all other contexts as well I'm sorry but I don't think that's right. Of all of the 'world boss/Uber Lilith killed in 10 seconds' clips I've seen, I haven't seen devouring blaze sorc being a part of that party. It is possible I'm not online enough so ymmv
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Jul 19, 2023 00:45
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flashman posted:I mean they specifically gutted devouring blaze, this was not in the crossfire, and a large source of damage for meta and off meta builds. Devouring blaze was definitely Not nerfed into the ground lol. In fact, its still the best passive for damage lol
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Jul 19, 2023 00:48
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flashman posted:As long as the damage formula works as it does numerical nerfs aren't going to change anything wrt gear priority. Just getting rid of vuln would do the trick. It would be nice because it would also open up a lot of alternative builds. Because until you can get the exploit glyph your build really suffers if you don’t have a way/a good way to apply vulnerability. Just really limiting. Half-thought-out idea: put crit innate on rings, crit damage on amulet, vulnerable on gloves and take them off the rest of the loot-table.
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wemgo posted:Devouring blaze was definitely Not nerfed into the ground lol. In fact, its still the best passive for damage lol In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king!!!1 I shout to the Bliz devs who have never played sorc
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TracerBullet posted:I'm sorry but I don't think that's right. Of all of the 'world boss/Uber Lilith killed in 10 seconds' clips I've seen, I haven't seen devouring blaze sorc being a part of that party. It is possible I'm not online enough so ymmv the blizzard sorc build that could kill lilith in one stagger uses devouring blaze and aspect of control
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Guess I’ll switch from bone spear necro to minion necro for season, I only got to like level 70 anyway
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Radical posted:the blizzard sorc build that could kill lilith in one stagger uses devouring blaze and aspect of control As mentioned above, aspect of control is doing most of the heavy lifting here
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wuffles posted:Half-thought-out idea: put crit innate on rings, crit damage on amulet, vulnerable on gloves and take them off the rest of the loot-table. That's unironically a good idea, severely limiting access to extra buckets is a better idea than making those buckets smaller.
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It's fun to rag on The Oculus from the patch notes, but the item itself is way more interesting when you see the other 4 modifiers it has:quote:Max Evade Charges 1-3 Getting teleport to level 20+++ would give it nearly zero cooldown... right? Lack of +dmg mods hurt it badly, but could be zoomy fun good times with your non-evade teleport while speedfarming. Maybe?
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What I dont get is why they didnt change some of the affixes on some uniques. Im glad they buffed Gohr's but why the hell does it still have Attack Speed and Lucky hit on an item for a build that uses neither? Why does Rage of Harrogath have thorns and why specify the other poo poo? Why does Ring of Menedelin have thorns on a build for Minion attacks? Why does Razorplate, the loving thorns chest, not have any defensive affixes? etc. etc. Speaking of which, why the gently caress do Scythe's still have life on kill for their specific stat? Its loving worthless.
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wemgo posted:Devouring blaze was definitely Not nerfed into the ground lol. In fact, its still the best passive for damage lol ? It went from 75 percent to 30 percent against immobilized... It's still the best passive sorcs had for damage, this is true, but prior to the nerf sorcs had some of the lowest damage at high levels so I'm not sure why such a drastic nerf was considered neccesary... Radical posted:the blizzard sorc build that could kill lilith in one stagger uses devouring blaze and aspect of control Literally every sorc build uses devouring blaze. The triple dip on aspect of control boosted by a 2h that you swap to when lilith is staggered is what allowed it to work.
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coelomate posted:It's fun to rag on The Oculus from the patch notes, but the item itself is way more interesting when you see the other 4 modifiers it has: The Oculus in D2 was always an amazing mid-game upgrade and very much allowed for zoomy fun good times with the +3 to all skills but every now and then the random teleport would get you killed real good. Without any significant + to skills I'm not sure the random teleporting will be worth it
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flashman posted:? It went from 75 percent to 30 percent against immobilized... It's still the best passive sorcs had for damage, this is true, but prior to the nerf sorcs had some of the lowest damage at high levels so I'm not sure why such a drastic nerf was considered neccesary... So you can tell your boss that you nerfed the dps of your class by 30% with the least amount of work possible e: phone postin sucks
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FootballFreak2 posted:Guess I’ll switch from bone spear necro to minion necro for season, I only got to like level 70 anyway I’d hoped for better sorcerer changes, because that was my plan, but I might just go with another CE summoner necro I guess. Shame, sorcerer makes the prettiest lights. Is a bleed focused barb viable? Druid seems quite meh without a unique once you hit like level 50, at least from the handful of builds I’ve tried.
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flashman posted:That was the aspect of control, on a weapon swap to two hander, which was also nerfed. Yeah but having extra points in Devouring Blaze on an amulet was a key part of getting enough extra crit damage on the Ice Spikes to amplify the damage even more
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It's not like the patch changes anything. Game's slightly more annoying to play. Like cool that some of you enjoy that but you're playing a $70 open beta.
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The random teleport was always kinda an intentional malus because the occy was very good. It's... maybe kinda in the same boat here? Like, free teleport enchantment would likely be completely bonkers without SOME sort of drawback, because Raiment exists. But also it's not 2001 anymore, so maybe just let people have fun?
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