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Herstory Begins Now posted:counterpoint: look at this goony hovel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Cn_RU2BP0&t=144s I don't know who this guy is but he is way more fit than any goon.
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The Wonder Weapon posted:Well there's your first problem. We regularly encourage new players coming from Diablo not to play hc. In d2 sand d3 you always knew what killed you. There wasn't that much on the screen, there weren't crazy interactions, and there were very few "gotcha" moments. Poe is significantly more complicated, and it's much, much easier to instantly die and have no idea what happened (if you're new). For better or worse, there's just a lot more moving pieces that make death more common and more inscrutable for the uninitiated. yeah but i found HC fun so i kept playing it. Didn't really care for getting on the treadmill and was happy enough to stop playing when I got pissed off at dying, then come back a year later and do it again. I've clocked at least 200 hours in that game without ever seeing most of its content. I'm fine with that, but it does piss off my friends who think I hate arpgs cause I don't really care for item farming In comparison I played D4 for about 40-50 hours I guess, however long it takes to get to around level 65. I spent like $10 on POE and bought the sucker edition of d4
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The Wonder Weapon posted:Well there's your first problem. We regularly encourage new players coming from Diablo not to play hc. In d2 sand d3 you always knew what killed you. There wasn't that much on the screen, there weren't crazy interactions, and there were very few "gotcha" moments. Poe is significantly more complicated, and it's much, much easier to instantly die and have no idea what happened (if you're new). For better or worse, there's just a lot more moving pieces that make death more common and more inscrutable for the uninitiated. one of the funniest deaths i had in there was discovering after a lot of play time that there's a monster affix that drains all your potion charges
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Vic posted:My friend and his wife were playing splitscreen on PS5 and made it to WT4. The circle button on her gamepad doesn't work so she wasn't using evade the whole time. She was playing skele necro and my friend played sorcerer. When you think about it some terrible builds (wrt items) got big buffs. If you weren't using the crit and vuln buckets then you probably feel like a God rn
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bamhand posted:I don't know who this guy is but he is way more fit than any goon. he's not even that fit by poe player standards, this is the single best poe player https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbFyDK2cO08 he released that video the same day that he beat the uber elder pinnacle boss fight on a level 24 character
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Sloober posted:one of the funniest deaths i had in there was discovering after a lot of play time that there's a monster affix that drains all your potion charges People don't listen when they're told hc in poe is not the same as other games lol.
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Wonder why fixing the Uber uniques dropping from hell tides took no time but fixing the cinder drops is taking so long
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Wonder why fixing the Uber uniques dropping from hell tides took no time but fixing the cinder drops is taking so long They are listening to feedback right now.
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Vic posted:My friend and his wife were playing splitscreen on PS5 and made it to WT4. The circle button on her gamepad doesn't work so she wasn't using evade the whole time. She was playing skele necro and my friend played sorcerer. the hardest. i had a meltdown about 2 second stun CCs and had to remind some chuds that i'm 40 and have been playing games since i was 6 lmao
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rod ferguson one armed chinup video when??
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bamhand posted:I don't know who this guy is but he is way more fit than any goon. The diehard ARPG goons are all marathon runners actually.
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The Wonder Weapon posted:Yea? These changes aren't going to meaningfully impact the tens or hundreds of thousands of people that don't know there's a season starting or even what a season is. These changes impact the top <5% of the player base that gets excited for patch notes to drop and expect to level to 80+ every season. Who is going to be passionately posting about patch notes other than the no-lifers? There are people posting their level 40 barbs are dying in the open world now lmao Wuxi posted:PoE numbers will always vary a lot. The best players will get through the campaign and maps and kill the first set of endgame bosses in <8h. Eh, you can't really gently caress up a build in POE. Every skill is pretty badass when it's leveled up and slotted with helpers. Anyone can basically get to the endgame in POE face rolling a totally "broken" build and have a ton of fun blowing up screens, but once you want to try the higher tier Atlas stuff, you really need a focused build - Your poo poo tier supa fun build likely wont hold up. By that point you've probably got a bazillion hours into the game and are smart enough to keep going doing non-endgame endgame content or get your poo poo together and focus on what all those stats mean. I dunno, maybe this is what you said and I comprehended it differently. Philthy fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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It's funny that people were saying they didn't understand why people wanted to start over each season with a fresh character. Buddy, blizzard isn't going to leave you with any playable characters in the eternal realm when the season starts anyway!
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:the hardest. i had a meltdown about 2 second stun CCs and had to remind some chuds that i'm 40 and have been playing games since i was 6 lmao I don't get it.
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Vic posted:I don't get it. I think they're trying to make fun of angry people but it just reads as angrier
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Philthy posted:There are people posting their level 40 barbs are dying in the open world now lmao skill issue, get filtered lmao
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Just loaded up my 85 necro that is all in on minions and the shadow dot on the corpse explosion. Did the 39 dungeon that I normally do, and it was easier! Dot damage increased, minion damage increased, enemies ran around less which meant my minions could hit more. Also the 'cold mages cast blizzard' aspect was buffed from casting every 10sec to 8sec, which meant enemies were chilled/frozen more, which triggered vulnerable more. I didn't die once. Great patch, A++ would enjoy again. I just wish the paragon boards were fixed (?) I didn't realize half of what I sunk points into don't do anything.
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Logged in after a long break last night to find my renown maxed. I guess they buffed dungeon rep? As long as they haven't nerfed any other areas I think this might be the perfect game for me now.
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Ravendas posted:Just loaded up my 85 necro that is all in on minions and the shadow dot on the corpse explosion. Maybe they were fixed! Be the change you want to see in the world and test it out.
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Ravendas posted:Just loaded up my 85 necro that is all in on minions and the shadow dot on the corpse explosion. some of those necro paragons are actually working fine but there is a visual bug where it doesn't reflect on your stats/tool tips. i have no clue if blizzard has even acknowledged this. this poo poo has been around since launch...
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Philthy posted:Eh, you can't really gently caress up a build in POE. Every skill is pretty badass when it's leveled up and slotted with helpers. Anyone can basically get to the endgame in POE face rolling a totally "broken" build and have a ton of fun blowing up screens, but once you want to try the higher tier Atlas stuff, you really need a focused build - Your poo poo tier supa fun build likely wont hold up. By that point you've probably got a bazillion hours into the game and are smart enough to keep going doing non-endgame endgame content or get your poo poo together and focus on what all those stats mean. My very first poe build 7 years ago was avatar of fire sweep, I didn't make it beyond act 3 lmao
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Herstory Begins Now posted:he's not even that fit by poe player standards, this is the single best poe player https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbFyDK2cO08 god drat i would kill any goon for delts like that
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Pff posted:Logged in after a long break last night to find my renown maxed. I guess they buffed dungeon rep? As long as they haven't nerfed any other areas I think this might be the perfect game for me now. Are you sure it wasn't before? Or did you maybe just benefit from the renown bonus from alters + map reveals being account-wide? There is nothing in the patch notes about buffing renown for dungeons.
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Pff posted:Logged in after a long break last night to find my renown maxed. I guess they buffed dungeon rep? As long as they haven't nerfed any other areas I think this might be the perfect game for me now. Ya no nerfs. Your build is online, login dude.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Are you sure it wasn't before? Or did you maybe just benefit from the renown bonus from alters + map reveals being account-wide? they buffed it from 30 to 40 for dungeons and 20 to 30 for quests. they said it was retroactive so it will affect you for stuff you've done already
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Sloober posted:they buffed it from 30 to 40 for dungeons and 20 to 30 for quests. they said it was retroactive so it will affect you for stuff you've done already Ah, you are right. I missed that. Thanks!
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Entirely possible they stealth fixed some minion stuff. It would at least be consistent since they never acknowledged it was broken in the first place!
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I feel like some backlash could've been avoided by not nerfing existing items. That's part of the fun of eternal leagues or standard leagues or whatever, they can be full of random OP poo poo for grognards that care about that.
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Sloober posted:they buffed it from 30 to 40 for dungeons and 20 to 30 for quests. they said it was retroactive so it will affect you for stuff you've done already oh this is actually really cool. The beginning a new character and maxing out paragon points part is going to be pretty easy to do while getting to 50
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when the thrust of your patching is 'everything is worse, even the Bad Builds' there's not much you can do to blunt the negativity on it, at least they somewhat addressed vuln, but i still think vuln shouldn't be in the game since its build limiting in its current form
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Sloober posted:when the thrust of your patching is 'everything is worse, even the Bad Builds' there's not much you can do to blunt the negativity on it, at least they somewhat addressed vuln, but i still think vuln shouldn't be in the game since its build limiting in its current form Aren't the builds that don't use cd, vuln, or crit damage actually stronger now? That's why we have all these people saying they don't notice any differences in difficulty. They're just as strong if not stronger than before!
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Philthy posted:Eh, you can't really gently caress up a build in POE. Of course you can. It's pretty trivial to brick a character and be unable to progress.
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bamhand posted:Aren't the builds that don't use cd, vuln, or crit damage actually stronger now? That's why we have all these people saying they don't notice any differences in difficulty. They're just as strong if not stronger than before! Yeah if your build was bad before it probably does more damage now. You will still die faster and get less XP though.
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Pff posted:As long as they haven't nerfed any other areas I think this might be the perfect game for me now. I have really bad news about this.
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bamhand posted:Aren't the builds that don't use cd, vuln, or crit damage actually stronger now? That's why we have all these people saying they don't notice any differences in difficulty. They're just as strong if not stronger than before! Yes lol. They buffed the badly made builds, not the bad skills
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I’d be fine with the game if it started with this patch as the norm. But we essentially had “easy mode” it seems and now it’s changing. The gear I’ve prioritized looks like it is no longer ideal, forcing me to grind for new stuff all over. I’ll try season stuff but I really wanted to play my rogue to 100 and beat things that way first. Also, I enjoyed D2 trying to hunt down uniques. The uber uniques being so unattainable is a real negative for me. Not feeling like this game is going to last much longer on my play list.
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External Organs posted:Just make everything multiplicative I agree with this actually. 4 buckets - mainstat + weapon DPS dictating your base damage, then the +% to status/type modifiers, then +Vuln%, then +crit% at the end. Or flip those around as necessary. Or to simplify the Vuln problem put that into the +% to status/type bucket because ultimately it’s the same thing as +% to bleed or w/e. Let things stack additively inside the bucket and multiplicatively between buckets.
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External Organs posted:I feel like some backlash could've been avoided by not nerfing existing items. That's part of the fun of eternal leagues or standard leagues or whatever, they can be full of random OP poo poo for grognards that care about that. Yeah the nerfs aren't why people are butthurt. They are relatively minor. It's that nothing new was added, and everything people wanted was ignored with the added bonus of slower leveling. My group was on the fence about playing more diablo after ~lvl 70 waiting for the cool stuff they'll introduce, and it turned out to be a hard no.
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Magus42 posted:Of course you can. It's pretty trivial to brick a character and be unable to progress. Ehh not really. You can basically always keep killing lower level content to generate the resources to fix a character. It's not necessarily a wise use of your time, of course.
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