Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
polymorph != teleport, am I missing something?

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

ComradePyro
Oct 6, 2009
I figured that'd be news to some people, if you're a sheep you can exit and enter. it's another one of those "you must know the exact mechanism" noita things, there's a specific section of the exit that triggers the collapse and it only does it if you as the default entity crosses it, teleport means you never touch it at all and polymorph means the player entity doesn't touch it, merely an innocuous sheep.

dyzzy
Dec 22, 2009

argh

Eric the Mauve posted:

polymorph != teleport, am I missing something?

No collapse if you exit while poly'd

e: already answered whoops. I like poly as a way to keep risk in really OP runs but I think other design choices could have been made to make it not necessary

dyzzy fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jul 18, 2023

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.
a way to tweak poly could be have your health be a reduced percentage of your normal health rather than a flat native value for the mob

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
This was funnier in my head, and I'm poo poo at video editing. But I made it, so now you get to suffer:

https://i.imgur.com/fw0MAWJ.mp4

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
No that's pretty loving funny

Queering Wheel
Jun 18, 2011


Gromit posted:

This was funnier in my head, and I'm poo poo at video editing. But I made it, so now you get to suffer:

https://i.imgur.com/fw0MAWJ.mp4

I love this! The timing is perfect :lol:

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
It's beautiful :allears:


The Protagonist posted:

a way to tweak poly could be have your health be a reduced percentage of your normal health rather than a flat native value for the mob

my dream list:

* keep perks while polymorphed
* keep HUD while polymorphed
* remove obnoxious red flashing when at low health (which often triggers, yep, while polymorphed)

even just the latter one would be nice. there's a mod to remove it but of course using any mods disables all the fun stuff :rolleyes:

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
Give sheep and other "harmless" critters the ability to wield wands so that poly'd players can at least try to fight back. Yes this will make poly less effective against some enemies. Yes this will result in players getting owned by a fish who picked up a wand of nuke. Working as intended imo

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

a typical Nightmare run

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









silentsnack posted:

a typical Nightmare run


Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

silentsnack posted:

a typical Nightmare run


imagine if you were one of those inscrutable people that tries nightmare winstreak runs and this happened to you :allears:

HolHorsejob
Mar 14, 2020

Portrait of Cheems II of Spain by Jabona Neftman, olo pint on fird
Do explosions do more damage, or is there just a multiplier on damage you take in nightmare?

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

HolHorsejob posted:

Do explosions do more damage, or is there just a multiplier on damage you take in nightmare?

not that much more, but a random dynamitebro with Glass Cannon x2 is gonna hit for approximately "lmao" damage

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
In contrast, burning and toxins deal damage comically fast in nightmare. Which one one hand, I hate, but on the other hand, I must admit is a very distinctly Noita kind of dickishness :v:

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
New patch out on the beta branch that the discord server is tearing apart. Some new materials and reactions. The new materials are largely unobtainable outside of pure blind luck and a lot of the reactions are still being worked out but apparently some things interact with lava differently now.

There's speculation that this is prep for a larger, perhaps "meatier" update soon.

ZeusCannon
Nov 5, 2009

BLAAAAAARGH PLEASE KILL ME BLAAAAAAAARGH
Grimey Drawer
I should just give in and play with the tinker with wands everywhere mod since it would increase the fun im having but i really wish i could pull off a vanilla win. Got close to the bottom of the vault in a run but wasn't strong enough to survive.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
There are a lot of people who instinctively hate any change to a game they like.

I know because I'm one of them.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

ZeusCannon posted:

I should just give in and play with the tinker with wands everywhere mod since it would increase the fun im having but i really wish i could pull off a vanilla win. Got close to the bottom of the vault in a run but wasn't strong enough to survive.

if you want that you can always use the edit everywhere mod as training wheels. use it to get better at identifying and building good wands, get adjusted to the later levels, then go back vanilla to use your new experience

games are meant to be fun and you're not competing with others. do what makes the game fun for you

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
I was getting frustrated when I started playing so installed a mod that regenned health a bit during play. This let me get used to the later levels and eventually I turned it off once I got better at the game.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

I think a big leap in my ability to succeed at the game was working out when I was tough enough or properly equipped to go back up the chasm between the snowy depths and the mines to fight bosses for better spells and wands or to dig to the overgrown cavern to pick up better gear there. That buys a chance to survive long enough to get to the good gear in Hiisi base and the jungle and then to either tear the vault apart for goodies or carefully pick my way through to the final area. The vault always seems more hazardous to me than the Temple of the Art, the level design is a little too open and it’s too easy to get hit with electricity or acid.

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
My gameplan is usually to try and get teleport, digging (through hard stuff if I'm already at Hiisi base or deeper), and a wand that either has a personal fireball thrower on it or else a trigger with dual-cast explosive box and plasma (or other box igniting spell). This lets me go and kill the Alchemist pretty easily for Greek spells and/or wand refresh for infinite black holes and healing (when I eventually find a heal spell). On the way back I'll pop over and kill the Pyramid Boss, and maybe go to the gold biome for a cool 250k.

If I can dig hard rock quickly enough I'll check the wands east of the Snowy Depths, and the spell chamber west of Hiisi Base (or use tele potion if I have it). If I've got edit wands then I'll drop in at WandMart (Overgrown Cavern) for the spells and HP. By then I've probably got 5 orbs so I'll kill Kolmi and go back up to kick off NG+. I'm hoping to repeat that process to get the "make it to NG+++ and complete the game" achievement but I've not managed it yet.

Currently 2 parallel worlds over to try and get the right perks. Can't be bothered breaking reroll machines so I'm just winging it and hoping for the best.

I also want to try the <5 minute finish but that is hard as hell for me. I don't think I'll ever manage the <1 minute or no-hit clears. I've made it through one level with no hits, but that's about it. I don't think I have the patience to do better than that.

Jinh
Sep 12, 2008

Fun Shoe
I play exclusively for funny stuff happening, and like to die in comical ways. so I use a few mods to enable that.
-even spell rarity distribution makes good stuff spawn early
-wand edit everywhere and no shuffle to remove the major negative RNG of wands.
-picking up gold heals you.

I definitely become overpowered easily, but I also play like a dumbass and suffer for it just as easily afterward

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
This seems to be working well, even if it eats mana. Not that I have to spam it much, mind you.

https://i.imgur.com/unKx3Aj.mp4

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

https://i.imgur.com/mIhv6G2.mp4

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
That wasn't water :haw:

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Zamujasa posted:

That wasn't water :haw:

Lol

What a way to find that out

NJM
Jan 3, 2020

Nice corpse rain, though

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
new beta patch!



m e a t

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
I'm not trying the beta, but saw some of the meat biomes on Youtube. Seems like a strange addition, but I'm assuming more will be made of it in the future.

My crazy wand is still wrecking poo poo on NG++ (with some additional damage adds), and I'm just searching for the orbs I need to finish it for the pillar achievement. Orbs in New Game are a nightmare to find, but having just written that I remember that I can make guiding powder with *checks wiki* Flummoxium and Unstable Teleportatium. That's now my next plan.

Gromit fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Jul 28, 2023

PosSibley
Jan 11, 2008

21rst Century Digital Boy

Gromit posted:

the meat biomes on Youtube
sorry I dont know anything about the games updates, buuuuut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7K9SycELA
:allears:

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
14 hour run just ended badly thanks to a poly monster. 44k HP, toughest creatures took 2 shots to kill. Got to NG+++ and on the hunt for the last 5 orbs needed to complete my quest. drat it - I should have entered The Work instead of trying to end it by getting to NG++++.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
The greatest quality of life change the menus could get would be a "move" mode for spells. Right-click and drag and spells will automatically be moved left or right to create space for the held spell (unless there just isn't any). Would take so much tedium out of rearranging wands

Ceyton
Oct 9, 2004

YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!

Gromit posted:

trigger with dual-cast explosive box and plasma (or other box igniting spell).



Classic Faustian bargain. It was fun while it lasted though.

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
Haha yeah. Chainsaw is a safer igniter for the boxes, but without explosive immunity its still very dangerous. I avoid plasma for anything that isn't specialist use I can predict (like digging or purpose-built boss killer). A single pixel of terrain can ruin your day.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Gromit posted:

A single pixel of terrain can ruin your day.

A Noita thread title if there ever was one

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
Noita: A single pixel of terrain can ruin your day.




more like failing sand game :haw:

Redmark
Dec 11, 2012

This one's for you, Morph.
-Evo 2013
Another thing this game has that's like nethack is bones files apparently. I had no idea ghosts existed until I got straight-up out-dueled by one from full health, which was pretty embarrassing :shobon:
Is it possible for a ghost to spawn with like a super wand and instantly destroy you?

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
This only applies if you're not using any mods. Having any mod enables disables this.

The ghost is Kummitus, and it only spawns when you have 35+ bones files. From that article:

quote:

Bones files are only created when:

* No game-mods are loaded at the moment of your death,
* You are not killed by a disintegration type (e.g. Midas Damage from the normal ending),
* You are not killed while polymorphed,
* You are carrying at least one wand that is not just an unmodified starting wand.

Each death in this manner causes a bones file to generate in your persistent save data. When you die holding multiple wands, one of the valid wands will be picked at random to be stored in the bones collection.

Basically, when you die, one of your wands is picked and saved for later. The ghost picks from any of these random wands with no considerations for type, spells, or relative strength, so you can get a little pea shooter or a ghost that spawns with your one-click death machine.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
Huh! Today I learned that the candles I keep finding actually signify something.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply