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i thought moira was canonically bi but tbf theres literally no evidence ive seen for that so i either just assumed that from her david bowie skin or they just went 'oh yeah btw..." somewhere and didnt bother to put any supporting voice lines or lore. its the most insulting kind of pandering because you know someone somewhere is absolutely terrified at the idea of having to write an evil queer person
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Like, cmon man, you can't tell me Moira is straight. Moira ain't got no time for pesky human emotions, it'll get in the way of the SCIENCE. She only goes for Omnics.
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Jul 19, 2023 12:00
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drat Mircosoft is fast https://twitter.com/Steam/status/1681722033162584064
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SirKibbles posted:drat Mircosoft is fast "Critically acclaimed" my rear end in a top hat
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having to manage both bnet and steam communities should qualify as an occupational hazard
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Completely unrelated news.
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SirKibbles posted:drat Mircosoft is fast It’s a poo poo game that deserves to die op
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Jack Trades posted:Completely unrelated news. Fortunately for them, PvE should help them earn back some of the goodwill they've burned away. *holds finger to earpiece* Oh dear... 
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Jack Trades posted:Completely unrelated news. I thought it was more this https://twitter.com/esports/status/1681648061368397824 RIP Overwatch League, you completely destroyed local competitive OW groups and then proceeded to do nothing with it
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Jul 19, 2023 20:56
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SirKibbles posted:I thought it was more this Shiiiit, RIP in piss. At least I got McDonald's Reaper and Trans Pride Flag Ashe & Bob out of the deal.
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I remember when they first announced the OWL (and muscled all the smaller local groups out) and everyone here was in agreement that they'd kill it like they did Starcraft edit: Holy hell they didn't tell them https://twitter.com/_mlktea/status/1681701774200299520 https://twitter.com/_mlktea/status/1681706819310473216 SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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They didn't tell Team 4 specifically, that person is from the dev team. The people who were let go were told yesterday.
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SirKibbles posted:I thought it was more this what a loving bummer. i wasn't a huge OWL booster or anything, but i caught games here and there and thought they could have something with longevity if they hadn't gone about it in the most horrendous "shoveling money into black hole" way possible maybe it'll lead to the return of small local leagues, at least. the OCE scene in league died out and got resurrected as an ESL tournament, and i can see something similar happening here
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Vermain posted:what a loving bummer. i wasn't a huge OWL booster or anything, but i caught games here and there and thought they could have something with longevity if they hadn't gone about it in the most horrendous "shoveling money into black hole" way possible Yeah. Early OWL was really fun, when everything was being figured out. Spreading from LA to around the world just before the covid was a huge mistake. Oh well. There's still the regular pvp, although I haven't touched the game in months due to playing other games.
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I think it will get a new influx of players but I don’t think it’s going to be a dramatic increase. Battle.net isn’t the epic store, I’m sure a lot of people had accounts for Diablo, WoW or StarCraft. They put all of their time and energy into e-sports and now they have a game that isn’t really that good. I still prefer 6v6.
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things dont die when you shoot them is the central problem of the game 5v5 or 6v6 is a red herring, but they definitely doubled down on this design philosophy by making tank so impossible to kill shooting them is one of the #1 mistakes you can do in the game lmao
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Yeah that's why snipers and burst damage were so important, because burst healing and utility 'E' abilities (e.g. suzu, lamp, bionade, dare I say lifegrip and maybe even rez) are too strong but needs to be strong because otherwise nobody would want to play support. It's a viscous cycle where everyone feels impotent but the other is too strong
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novaSphere posted:Yeah that's why snipers and burst damage were so important, because burst healing and utility abilities (e.g. suzu, lamp, bionade, dare I say rez) are too strong but needs to be strong because otherwise nobody would want to play support. It's a viscous cycle where everyone feels impotent but the other is too strong You don't think Hanzo and Widow fill those roles still? Feels like players who have adapted can still deliver those burst kills, especially if the team can get that initial 25-50% damage on an enemy.
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I probably shouldn't have used past-tense here, but yes, I do think Hanzo and Widow (and Cass to a lesser degree) fill that role of being able to secure a kill ASAP because otherwise the target is back at full HP again if the supports know what they're doing. It's a bitter pill to swallow because I am vehemently against oneshots and the existence of anything resembling the team fortress sniper archetype. Also I main support.
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healing really should have been a limited thing that was either on a hard cooldown for clutches or had a mechanic ala moira that required you to be in the thick of things to charge it. even MOBAs eventually figured out that unlimited free healing severely stifled any kind of gameplay that wasn't instant hard engage oneshots and changed accordingly probably too hard to unring that bell at this point, since changing it would have systemic effects far greater than even the loss of one tank and a bunch of barriers, but OW2 gameplay truly feels like you're just shooting at an old car in the desert hoping it'll eventually explode
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You can still eat tanks as a dps sometimes, in my home trash tiers at least - ill still take reaper against hog, and with soj can usually wreck jq... bastion eats rein (i dont play bastion but i do play rein, and get eaten by him)
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I don't want to be mean but you guys must not be landing shots if you feel like things don't die when you shoot them. ttk is as low as it's ever been, playing Soldier or Sojourn or McCree and poo poo melts
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I feel like I have to constantly remind my dps of that fact. "We should be focusing their supports" I type in teamchat, as everyone unloads into a fortified Orisa with a mercy pocket.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I don't want to be mean but you guys must not be landing shots if you feel like things don't die when you shoot them. ttk is as low as it's ever been, playing Soldier or Sojourn or McCree and poo poo melts
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Assepoester posted:I think they mean shooting tanks who are being healed, that often does feel futile unless the entire team is doing it. Especially back when Mercy had her below 50% healing speed supercharge, that was insane. Yeah no loving poo poo. That's literally the whole point of a Tank.
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Except it used to be you could actually burst them if you caught them out. Meanwhile now all the popular tanks can press a button, get a superboost of health/armour/shield and walk out to safety. There's a reason everyone just ignores the tanks. Even as a "tank role" they just get played like fat dps now. I'm not "tanking" when I play dva, i'm just deleting some poor bastard every time my rockets are up. I don't "Tank" as orisa, I just press my abilities, box some poor gently caress into a corner and delete them.
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Things aren't dying because the enemy Ana has zero pressure and your tank can't push or dive without being slept and naded, so he has to play defensively while the DPS is hanging back poking ineffectually. For all the poo poo Zenyatta gets for Discord I feel like Ana is way more suffocating to play against.
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dogstile posted:Except it used to be you could actually burst them if you caught them out. You're not wrong. It's just that all of that is the result of them trying to pander to DPS players in the first place by removing one of the Tanks so that DPS players get slightly better queue times. Along with all of the other terrible changes in OW2 that are all aimed towards either pandering to DPS players or scamming people out of their money.
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i played soldier only [who sucked] to gm solo queue a couple seasons ago it's just not fun or intuitive the way you have to specifically play to get value. getting constant absurd disgusting beams on people was just not rewarding since they could tuck and full reset in literally 2 seconds unless you got a full flank or they were too stupid to tuck. playing other fps games where shooting people means they have to give up tons of space for a long time or just die is a lot funner.
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isndl posted:Things aren't dying because the enemy Ana has zero pressure and your tank can't push or dive without being slept and naded, so he has to play defensively while the DPS is hanging back poking ineffectually. As a Ana player this is absolutely true, but also a proper dive comp will just ruin my loving day. Oh here comes Munky and Tracer, looks like I'm loving dead/swapping out.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:As a Ana player this is absolutely true, but also a proper dive comp will just ruin my loving day. Oh here comes Munky and Tracer, looks like I'm loving dead/swapping out. Nah its cool my teams gonna play hanzo and fire at a corner all day hoping you'll eventually walk round it.
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in the ow2 beta i recall that i was playing ana. i hit an enemy zen like literally 8-10 times in a row without missing a single shot and i had to hit every single shot to kill him b/c a mercy was healing him there's just something seriously wrong w/ how the game works lol
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comedyblissoption posted:in the ow2 beta i recall that i was playing ana. Isn't Ana's whole thing that she can throw an object that makes it so nothin can heal you for a few seconds and also has a sleep dart
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comedyblissoption posted:in the ow2 beta i recall that i was playing ana. Uhh...what? You were completely monopolizing Mercy's healing, meaning that she couldn't heal anyone else, meaning that the rest of your team was completely free to kill anyone else with only Zen's healing to compensate for their damage. Yes, you didn't get the good brain chemicals from the *ping* sound of a kill, but this is a team game, not motherfucking Call of Duty. If you want CoD then go play CoD instead of complaining that other game's aren't like it.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:As a Ana player this is absolutely true, but also a proper dive comp will just ruin my loving day. Oh here comes Munky and Tracer, looks like I'm loving dead/swapping out. Monkey by himself struggles, but if he's going in with teammates then yeah sure. Of course with that level of coordination things are probably dying regardless of your healing focus.
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Jack Trades posted:Uhh...what? You were completely monopolizing Mercy's healing, meaning that she couldn't heal anyone else, meaning that the rest of your team was completely free to kill anyone else with only Zen's healing to compensate for their damage. Nah gently caress that healings overtuned as poo poo. "Fights take too long, lets never meaningfully nerf healing because the support players are sad" is a trash decision by the devs. If a support character is out in the open and getting shot to poo poo, they should die. The skill difference between "hit every shot on a player" and "hold left click" should matter.
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