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Carbon dioxide posted:This always works. I feel like I probably knew that, but the ending still caught me off guard. I started thinking whether that allows for any sequence breaking, but I suppose the special arrows don't have any major utility in this game.
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DoubleNegative posted:Ship of Harkinian is a strange beast at times. I’m going to blame it. Carbon dioxide posted:This always works. Yeah turns out it's not a glitch, although I didn't know that until later. It's so weird to me that the riddle pretty specifically states "when water fills the lake" but it still works anyways. Wild.
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FrenzyTheKillbot posted:SorryNotMorrie: "I like how taking the [Iron] Boots off and putting them in our backpack is enough to let us swim back to the surface."  Carbon dioxide posted:This always works.
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I’m glad the co-hosts got at least a small taste of how much of a pain backtracking to get all of the keys can be, even if this isn’t a blind run and you know what you’re doing. I feel like you should ignore the ability to quickly toggle your boots for a few puzzles just to get across how annoying it was to have to go into the menu and manually do it each time. I remember playing through as a kid and this level took for ever. Years later I picked up OoT on the 3DS, and they did make some welcome quality of life changes. The one big change that stuck out to me was on the passage under the floating platform- the cutscene where you raise the water lingered on that passage way longer than it did in the original N64 version. By that point I knew exactly where it was, but that was one of the few changes to gameplay/cutscenes where it was obvious the developers were trying to throw new players a bone.
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The Dark Link encounter is such a cool setpiece. It's kind of unfortunate that fighting him with the sword becomes just button spam, but it's still very memorable.
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The hammer is just completely inconsistent for me on Dark Link. On the N64 version on the Switch Virtual console, Dark Link will just straight block the hammer with his shield every time, no problem. And every time I see an LP like this batter him with it I wonder if I was imagining things until the next time I play and bam, he whips out his shield again.
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I think the trick with the hammer is that you need to not be locked on when you swing it. I definitely remember being able to get into a loop where you hammer him, then he respawns behind you so you just turn around and swing to hit him again.
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DoubleNegative posted:While watching the Dark Link fight, I had to wonder if the oft-overlooked deku nuts do anything. They seem like they'd be the ideal "gently caress you, I get to hit you now" button against him. I think they can work, but definitely not if you're locked on - he'll block them with his shield.
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The only strategy for Dark Link I ever thought to use was the hammer and I guess every other item in my inventory was just pasted over with the thought "Oh that's loving sick" the first time he jumped on my sword.
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Oh man, now I really wish I thought to try the Deku nuts, although it doesn't really seem like a stunnable enemy. Does anyone else remember arrows working so well against him? In my head he always just dodged or blocked them, but this time I could just hit him easily every time.
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TwoPair posted:smoke bomb There's a theory that Sheik throws Deku Nuts. The animation is exactly the same and since creatures hit by it get frozen, you could assume that from their point of view no time seems to pass. Also, there's no in-game reason at all for Zora's Domain not melting. Nobody in the game even mentions it. The best theory is that they just ran out of development time or cartridge space or something.
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There is an absurdly easy way to beat Morpha - just stand in the corner, back to the wall, and his tentacles can't hit you. Or they didn't back when I last played OoT.
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TwoPair posted:I forgot about Unfortunately it turns out the only place to hide in the fire temple was in the lava and Mork knows Shiek isn't going to try that trick again Joke shamelessly stolen from Spookums in Dawn of War Retribution https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0vDQWMJNbE
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So, uh,  ...While you're right that the game definitely pushes you in a certain direction, you can do the Spirit Temple before Shadow fairly easily if you want (and I've always wondered if at some point in development that was the intended order, or if they wanted it to be a choice, because the order in the pause menu has the Spirit medallion before Shadow). Unless you've memorised the path you do need the Lens to get through the desert, so you need to do the well first, but nothing in the Spirit Temple actually requires the Hover Boots. It's barely a sequence break; you have to ignore the direction Navi gives you, but otherwise you're just playing normally and there are no glitches/exploits/etc involved.
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The song of storms puzzle is maybe one of my favorite in the franchise. But that's just because I like time travel stories so Link creating a time paradox for this temple (well, to get into the temple) rules.
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Explopyro posted:So, uh, Yeah I guess that's true. I always consider the Lens to be intrinsically tied to the Shadow Temple, but I guess it is separate. TapamN posted:IIRC, time does pass in the fishing pond, but at something like a quarter normal speed. I was pretty sure that's what was going on. I read that there was a specific fish behavior that happens at dusk and dawn, but it seemed to be night time for way too long.
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Somehow I always thought "ah well that green sludge probably gets diluted enough that it's not that bad for the town" when I first played the game. Never really thought about all the other hosed up poo poo like zombies and mummies and giant spiders being down there too until this video. I mean maybe if you really want to make up some headcanon you you can chalk some of it up to "Oh Ganondorf made the monsters appear" but he didn't put that fuckin' torture rack down there. Kakariko has a dark underbelly hiding beneath the facade of the happy people living there. Literally!
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TwoPair posted:Somehow I always thought "ah well that green sludge probably gets diluted enough that it's not that bad for the town" when I first played the game. Never really thought about all the other hosed up poo poo like zombies and mummies and giant spiders being down there too until this video. I mean maybe if you really want to make up some headcanon you you can chalk some of it up to "Oh Ganondorf made the monsters appear" but he didn't put that fuckin' torture rack down there. I never noticed anything weird when I was a kid, it was just another weird place filled with monsters to clear. It wasn't until I was older and someone pointed out to me that Ganondorf didn't make the temples, just the monsters, so the Sheikah are the ones who actually had the secret torture prison. Weird poo poo. Kibayasu posted:Should we make unsubstantiated connections between the boss carpenter's son and the evil well? Maybe we should. Unsubstantiated indeed, but interesting. Maybe he's a particularly thirsty boy and drank too much of the water?
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FrenzyTheKillbot posted:I never noticed anything weird when I was a kid, it was just another weird place filled with monsters to clear. It wasn't until I was older and someone pointed out to me that Ganondorf didn't make the temples, just the monsters, so the Sheikah are the ones who actually had the secret torture prison. Weird poo poo. They serve the Royal Family directly, right? It almost feels like they were portrayed as some kind of secret police, like the Ohkrana only hereditary.
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FrenzyTheKillbot posted:Also neat to point out, the Sheikah are a different race of people separate from the Hylians, similar to the Gerudo. Which is cool because it turns out each Temple is actually tied to one of Hyrule's races. But of course, what does that make Rauru? Zonai (but disguised as an old man/owl for inscrutable reasons)
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FrenzyTheKillbot posted:But of course, what does that make Rauru? The owl is his real form, obviously. He just knew you wouldn't accept a world-saving quest from a bird. (Trees are fine though.) Alternatively, he wanted Link to actually listen this time and so knew he had to not be the drat bird or his eyes would reflexively glaze over.
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Man I do not remember having to beat the chest game or that the Lens of Truth could see through chests at all. I know for a fact I've done a 100% run before so I must have known at some point but man that just slips away, huh?FrenzyTheKillbot posted:Also neat to point out, the Sheikah are a different race of people separate from the Hylians, similar to the Gerudo. Which is cool because it turns out each Temple is actually tied to one of Hyrule's races. But of course, what does that make Rauru? The Exposition Tribe, obviously
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