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gregday posted:Trial date set for May.
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At least it's before the election. So...is this likely? https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1682367307807444992
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Jul 21, 2023 15:10
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Is it normal to have a case be that far away?
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Jul 21, 2023 15:12
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drat, a former president facing charges of espionage, racketeering, and (possibly) insurrection / seditious conspiracy all at once.
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Jul 21, 2023 15:13
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I just realized it would be very, very funny given the timing of these charges and trials, that the later ones could use his history of criminal activity (with the other cases that got convictions just earlier) as a sentencing enhancement.
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Jul 21, 2023 15:14
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Charlz Guybon posted:At least it's before the election. It's close enough that they'll be able to stall it out until the RNC, and the GOP will stall it out from there until after the election. Trump gets the date he wants, and Cannon gets to pretend she didn't just hand it to him.
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Jul 21, 2023 15:20
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The RNC convention is in mid-July next year, fwiw.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Is it normal to have a case be that far away? It's not unusual for a case of this size, especially when it involves classified evidence. In fact, it fits right into the "8-12 months" prediction Paracaidas made a few pages ago: Paracaidas posted:The government is pushing for an earlier trial date so that Trump's team have to try and postpone particular steps with particular reasons instead of the generalized objections to the concept of a trial itself we saw in their most recent filing. Knowing that Trump badly wants to delay, they're pushing that date to be earlier with the recognition that even an impartial judge will be able to justify weeks of slip in the schedule.
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Jul 21, 2023 15:45
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My guess is cannon set the may date, expecting that the shithead will have clinched the nomination. Then she’ll toss the case for bullshit political reasons like a nominated candidate can’t be prosecuted (I’m sure she’ll use the barr memo logic as justification).
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Jul 21, 2023 16:04
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The Bible posted:It's close enough that they'll be able to stall it out until the RNC, and the GOP will stall it out from there until after the election. My understanding as a non-expert who listens to podcasts is that federal trials don't get frequently delayed once a date is established, unless charges are significantly amended or co-defendants are added. Judges will give the attorney more time if they request it, but not if it risks the trial date.
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Jul 21, 2023 16:21
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Crimes of moral turpitude
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Grater posted:My guess is cannon set the may date, expecting that the shithead will have clinched the nomination. Then she’ll toss the case for bullshit political reasons like a nominated candidate can’t be prosecuted (I’m sure she’ll use the barr memo logic as justification). I don't want to be mean here, but there's absolutely no legal basis for this to happen, nor is there any actual basis to think Cannon would pull something this egregiously illegal (seriously, it's several orders of magnitude beyond the special master thing), nor is there any reason to think that Cannon particularly favors Trump over other GOP candidates. There's absolutely nothing at all suggesting that any of this might possibly happen, and there's no real way that it could happen. I think it would be nice if we could watch what's actually happening, instead of responding to every instance of Cannon doing normal reasonable judge things by inventing a new conspiracy theory explaining how it's just a super extra double secret 11th-dimensional-chess move to protect Trump. What's the point in following the trial if you've already decided what the result is going to be?
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Jul 21, 2023 16:46
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I hear Cannon has reinstated Trump as president and also ruled we now own Finland?!?
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Jul 21, 2023 16:48
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Tayter Swift posted:also ruled we now own Finland?!? The DarkCrawler doctrine...
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Jul 21, 2023 16:54
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The prosecution offered a date that would have provided 4mo of preparation. The trial date offers at least 9mo. Both dates are within the realm of "reasonable", but it's not "conspiracy" to observe that the chosen date offers more than double the preparation time in a case where a good deal of the evidence was available to the defense when they participated in the special master review last year.
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Jul 21, 2023 17:02
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Main Paineframe posted:I don't want to be mean here, but there's absolutely no legal basis for this to happen, nor is there any actual basis to think Cannon would pull something this egregiously illegal (seriously, it's several orders of magnitude beyond the special master thing), nor is there any reason to think that Cannon particularly favors Trump over other GOP candidates. There's absolutely nothing at all suggesting that any of this might possibly happen, and there's no real way that it could happen. On the one hand, yes, I think you're right, but on the other hand, yes, Cannon literally created her own legal doctrine and authority to impose orders even though had both no jurisdiction and authority to do. And I'm not sure if she's ever said anything to make me think the order from the Eleventh Circuit humbled her in any way.
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Jul 21, 2023 17:04
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What's the primary schedule look like? That might still be the thick of it, and if he has to be present for the trial it's gonna make campaigning impossible. Looks like almost everyone is done in March/April so he might have things locked up by then.
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Tayter Swift posted:I hear Cannon has reinstated Trump as president and also ruled we now own Finland?!? Last I heard, Cannon did a big ol derp yet again
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Jul 21, 2023 17:13
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The last two trials I did jury duty for (murder & attempted murder) took place two years after arraignment so I dunno, I know she's a hack who should not be on this bench but a May date doesn't seem that outlandish to me in a vacuum.
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Speaking figuratively and in a decidedly-not-legalistic manner, (today would be an awesome day for a GJ indictment and) it seems appropriate for every right wing post, including T himself, to now complain that Cannon is a source of "election interference". Arguably if there is such a thing, it would be lessened by having a guilty verdict and prison sentence today. An acquittal on October 15, 2024, given no other changes, would be equivalent to "emails 2016" interference. Given the timing of primaries, it's more interfering the farther it is from today. I'm not complaining about "interference", but if you want to do so, I think you need to complain that Cannon didn't schedule it for December.
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Jul 21, 2023 17:22
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Tayter Swift posted:The last two trials I did jury duty for (murder & attempted murder) took place two years after arraignment so I dunno, I know she's a hack who should not be on this bench but a May date doesn't seem that outlandish to me in a vacuum. Federal stuff is supposed to move faster but yeah it isn't unreasonable.
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VideoGameVet posted:Hillary was born in 1947. Bill took office in 1993. So she was 46. Or loving Socks, the rake.
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Jul 21, 2023 18:47
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I for one, support this trial date. Trump will have clinched the nomination by May, at that point, assuming conviction, you have two comedy options: 1. Republicans nominate a convicted felon at their convention. 2. Trump is convicted and the convention becomes a clusterfuck.
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Jul 21, 2023 19:19
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The actual question is, Just how many convictions will T have by the convention, and how many by November? Whatever the answer, you can be assured that the Rs will be running a clown show. (Apologies to respectable clowns, Red Skelton, etc)
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Jul 21, 2023 19:25
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GOP convention tagline: "Donald Trump: A man who stands by his convictions"
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:The actual question is, Just how many convictions will T have by the convention, and how many by November? So far it looks like more suing in Dec for being. Rapist, porn star hush money in March, storing classified s secrets in a bathroom for may and then some. Light racketeering/insurrection anywhere from June to after the election.
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Tayter Swift posted:Thread title tagline: "Trump Legal Troubles: A man who stands by his convictions"
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gregday posted:Trial date set for May. Moving it to St. Pierce is maybe not great, though? It's redder there.
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CapnAndy posted:May seems... fine. It is worth mentioning that May is likely as early as we can get in part because of the other trials. The three stooges effect of all his crimes means that they can't have say, a March trial date, because he needs to be in NYC for a different criminal trial.
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Main Paineframe posted:I don't want to be mean here, but there's absolutely no legal basis for this to happen, nor is there any actual basis to think Cannon would pull something No worries on the meanness, this is serious internet business after all. Honestly, post was meant tongue in cheek but I posted it because I do have a legit question about her ability to interfere. I thought there were still legal avenues for her to shitcan the case. I have also seen nothing to indicate that she won’t try to pull something, and I’m not in the headspace to give benefit of the doubt to a group of people who literally tried to tear down the government. But thank you for the reply, I sincerely hope you are right and I’m a big dumb idiot.
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Caros posted:It is worth mentioning that May is likely as early as we can get in part because of the other trials. The three stooges effect of all his crimes means that they can't have say, a March trial date, because he needs to be in NYC for a different criminal trial. May the rest of his misbegotten life be nothing but prison cells and court dates.
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Trump’s legal team continues effort to disqualify Georgia DA as possible state indictments loomquote:
I'm sure this one will get the same thoughtful consideration as the last one.
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Trumps trials are the Mr. Burns can’t get sick meme.
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I have a question: Can he fire his legal team, say, a week prior to the trial and try and delay that way?
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Caros posted:It is worth mentioning that May is likely as early as we can get in part because of the other trials. The three stooges effect of all his crimes means that they can't have say, a March trial date, because he needs to be in NYC for a different criminal trial. Different lawyers are involved aren't they? Why couldn't the trails happen at the same time?
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I don’t think they can literally schedule two trials at the same time because you have the right to attend your criminal trial.
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davecrazy posted:Trumps trials are the Mr. Burns can’t get sick meme. "See, you are actually being charged with, ah, every single crime at once." "You mean, I'm charged with racketeering?" "yes." "Insurrectionary sedition?" "yes." "Transporting dentures across state lines?" "A, .. little bit, yes!"
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smackfu posted:I don’t think they can literally schedule two trials at the same time because you have the right to attend your criminal trial.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Different lawyers are involved aren't they? Why couldn't the trails happen at the same time? As others said, right to attend. Theoretically he could waive that, but given it is in his best interest to delay as many of these as possible (his plan really does seem to be 'win office and never leave') I don't see why he would. Even as an option I'm not sure the state would bite as it opens up an avenue for appeal.
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This is the first I'd heard about Giuliani and Graham being charged on this. https://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1682402416300376065
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