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Mokotow posted:Just made a check on all major Polish news sites and on the radio and there’s nothing about this. I did the same and cannot find a source other than a few thousand troops moving to the frontier due to the rhetoric against Poland and Wagner moving in. My source states that Russian equipment is being moved to the border of Belarus and Poland. The news is like hours old at this point so let's revisit this Monday and see if any news sources pick it up Also, the Black Sea fleet conducted practice drills in the Black Sea of shooting floating objects and ship seizure drills. Which is a response to turkeys new language on potentially protecting the grain deal.
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Jul 22, 2023 19:57
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On one hand Russia attacking Poland is insane idiot poo poo for fuckers. On the other hand, Russia attacked Ukraine and the 3-day special military operation is now going on for 1.5 years with the aggressive invading force digging trenches and trying to hold onto whatever they had in the first 24 hours, so...
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Jul 22, 2023 20:01
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EorayMel posted:On one hand Russia attacking Poland is insane idiot poo poo for fuckers. You know you never know, I mean that guy that was saying Russia is winning the war also said that Putin is a germanophile. So maybe he is maybe he's trying to attack Poland hoping that the Brits and french don't get involved.
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Jul 22, 2023 20:11
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Yeah it seems the Russian plan at this point is basically just dig in, mine like crazy, and just try to stalemate until… who knows what
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Jul 22, 2023 20:11
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Toxic Mental posted:Yeah it seems the Russian plan at this point is basically just dig in, mine like crazy, and just try to stalemate until… who knows what Right wing take over of key countries. Flood Europe with starving people from Africa.
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Jul 22, 2023 20:15
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Russia can stalemate the poo poo out of Ukraine if Ukraine can't break through. 0% chance Ukraine wins this with attrition.
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Jul 22, 2023 20:17
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Tai posted:Russia can stalemate the poo poo out of Ukraine if Ukraine can't break through. 0% chance Ukraine wins this with attrition. You know I'm just not sure that's correct. The last thing that Russia has in reserve is the rosgvardia. They are spent manpower wise. I mean unless they start drafting children into the army or just Mass mobilization / general mobilization with all the favorites flavors of abductions and press ganging. I think yes they will not win it completely with attrition. But breakthroughs occur more often the more attrition you have. If you cannot replace the people quickly enough your Frontline loses its elasticity and holes form. Are the Russians really going to be able to go on forever getting hit by cluster munitions ? I mean even at 500 people a day lost they need to be recruiting 15,000 a month to stay afloat manpower wise. 15,000 seems like a small number compared to the 300,000 people Russia runs. But it's like 5% of their combat forces every loving month. But it's still a thousand kilometer wide front. You lose 5% of the people manning that front. That's 50 km worth of area that is now less defended. Or the entire front is less defended. And remember too, Ukraine doesn't need to do more than defending even now. They can use cluster munitions from very far away to keep the enemy rebuilding and constantly afraid of WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jul 22, 2023 |
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Jul 22, 2023 20:30
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Tai posted:Russia can stalemate the poo poo out of Ukraine if Ukraine can't break through. 0% chance Ukraine wins this with attrition. Well, not with 1:1 attrition. You might say that a sufficiently favorable ratio to "win" is still a pyrrhic victory and I wouldn't disagree, but it isn't flatly impossible imo.
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Jul 22, 2023 20:32
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:You know I'm just not sure that's correct. The last thing that Russia has in reserve is the rosgvardia. They are spent manpower wise. I mean unless they start drafting children into the army or just Mass mobilization / general mobilization with all the favorites flavors of abductions and press ganging. You're ignoring two things though. Ukraine casualties and ammo supply. It will run out before Russia
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Jul 22, 2023 20:35
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redshirt posted:Right wing take over of key countries. Flood Europe with starving people from Africa. This could be a likely strategy. Pull Wagner out of Ukraine to sow chaos in Africa and further ramp up migration to Europe. People get scared of immigrants and vote in right wing governments that would be more willing to end support for Ukraine. Putin can now keep what they have held and without NATO support Ukraine may have to capitulate. The Russian army has been much better at holding territory and than trying to advance and seize more, so unless a miracle happens for them I doubt we will see another large Russian offensive like the failed one earlier this year. The big question I have about this outcome is what happens to Ukraine's NATO bid? In this scenario does a right-wing Europe force Ukraine into a peace deal giving Russia a Black Sea corridor then rug pull NATO membership leaving the door open for future Russian invasion? Does Ukraine join NATO with Putin considering it an inevitability that's acceptable now that he has better access to Crimea and the black sea? Maybe Putin shits himself inside out and the oligarchs call it off and go back to selling oil to Europe pretending that it never happend?
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Jul 22, 2023 20:46
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Deteriorata posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/21/putin-warn-poland-against-unleashing-aggression-against-belarus-troops-eastern-border Nato would crush Wagner in days. Hell just NATO air power would obliterate the Wagner and any Belorussian army. What the gently caress is this idiot thinking? Russia doesn't remotely have the force to take open up another front in Poland, let alone NATO. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jul 22, 2023 |
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Jul 22, 2023 20:56
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TulliusCicero posted:Nato would crush Wagner in days. Hell just NATO air power would obliterate the Wagner and any Belorussian army. I suspect it's just tough talk for internal consumption. I don't think Putin has any illusions as to the strength of NATO.
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Jul 22, 2023 21:02
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TulliusCicero posted:Nato would crush Wagner in days. Hell just NATO air power would obliterate the Wagner and any Belorussian army. Now *where* have I heard about this before????
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Jul 22, 2023 21:03
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Deteriorata posted:I suspect it's just tough talk for internal consumption. I don't think Putin has any illusions as to the strength of NATO. At this point I'm not sure I trust his common sense.
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Jul 22, 2023 21:04
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Tai posted:You're ignoring two things though. Ukraine casualties and ammo supply. It will run out before Russia The fact that Russia has a lot of ammo and a lot of people does not mean they have all of those at the front where the counterattack is happening. You have to move both of those, which means that those resources are not in the other places. You can't just click Manpower and Ammo and drag them over to Ukraine and supply the entire army at once with both of those. TulliusCicero posted:Nato would crush Wagner in days. Hell just NATO air power would obliterate the Wagner and any Belorussian army. This already happened once when he had Wagner attack that American base in Syria and got his Wagner/Syrian army ripped to shreds. Kchama fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jul 22, 2023 |
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Jul 22, 2023 21:04
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Tai posted:You're ignoring two things though. Ukraine casualties and ammo supply. It will run out before Russia Putin probably knows he hasn't got the military power to outright win this, so he's probably going to go all out to undermine Western support and unity in the coming year.
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Jul 22, 2023 21:05
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Yeah a Gerald Ford can run 120 sorties or 240 sorties per day for 30 days straight without re arming.
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Jul 22, 2023 21:11
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Cicero posted:I seriously doubt the Ford carries enough missiles to do 3600 sorties. CVN-78 has design features intended to enhance its ability to launch, recover, and service aircraft, such as a slightly larger flight deck, dedicated weapons handling areas, and increased aircraft refueling stations. The Navy set the SGR requirement for CVN-78 to increase the sortie generation capability of embarked aircraft to 160 sorties per day (12-hour fly day) and to surge to 270 sorties per day (24-hour fly day) as compared to the CVN-68 Nimitz class SGR demonstration of 120 sorties per day/240 sorties for 24-hour surge.
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Jul 22, 2023 21:16
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From what I remember, you're both right. Aircraft carriers are followed by cargo ships that actually hold the bulk of the carriers supplies. So while the carrier doesn't technically hold that amount of ammunition, it's capable of launching that many armed sorties.
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Jul 22, 2023 21:20
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:CVN-78 has design features intended to enhance its ability to Where’d you copy this from Gigolo 
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Jul 22, 2023 21:21
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https://twitter.com/KravtsovRoman/status/1682808226918563840
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Jul 22, 2023 21:24
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 In Gulag July 21st!
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Jul 22, 2023 21:28
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barbie of klaus variety
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Jul 22, 2023 21:32
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I hope this Barbie success opens the door for a Dazzler film.
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Jul 22, 2023 21:34
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weg posted:
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Jul 22, 2023 21:39
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Mokotow posted:Where’d you copy this from Gigolo The Navy design requirements brochure however I guess there's been some critical reception to this and the expectation would 120 sorties a day
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Jul 22, 2023 21:45
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Dr. Quarex posted:Even if a Republican wins in 2024 nothing changes until January 2025. I know Russia is dedicated to drawing out this war forever but I just refuse to accept they will have enough military power left by then for it to enable them to complete their aims even if America goes full fascist. Personally I refuse to accept that a Republican president will spit in the face of the US MIC when the rubber meets the road. Even Trump would just talk tough until he gets paid off.
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Jul 22, 2023 21:56
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Remember the UK giving Ukraine some Brimstome and having it fired from a civilian truck? https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1592433221341704192 https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1546234834363858944 Apparently there was an urgent program, to come up with a proper solution. Behold the Wolfram: https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1682833055533154304 It's something closer to a proper launcher on a Supacat HMT 600. It's still a work in progress but reportedly Ukraine have a 'several dozen' of them for a while. If they're being used, footage hasn't leaked. MBDA struggled for years to get anyone to buy them for anything other than traditional air launched. Poland committed to them for an upcoming tank destroyer last year. Now they have the platform for training, I suspect now the British Army won't give them; the question will be if they stick with the Wolfram or if we see something like an Ajax variant. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wolfram-ukraine-britain-ben-wallace-b2376866.html https://www.joint-forces.com/features/65958-british-army-expo-23-vehicles-photo-album
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Jul 22, 2023 21:57
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Moktaro posted:Personally I refuse to accept that a Republican president will spit in the face of the US MIC when the rubber meets the road. Even Trump would just talk tough until he gets paid off. Remember this is hellworld. The worst thing doesn't always have to happen, but the most absurd thing is highly likely. Somehow those pics of hunter biden's areas will be involved.
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Jul 22, 2023 22:05
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Kchama posted:This already happened once when he had Wagner attack that American base in Syria and got his Wagner/Syrian army ripped to shreds. whaaaaaaaat do you have a source on this i want to read about it
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Jul 22, 2023 22:07
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Arivia posted:whaaaaaaaat do you have a source on this i want to read about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham saved you a click version: 
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Jul 22, 2023 22:10
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Arivia posted:whaaaaaaaat do you have a source on this i want to read about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham efb
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Jul 22, 2023 22:10
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and yes all of that is correct. they attacked 40 US/allied soldiers with 500 dudes. the americans were supported with artillery and air power, the wagner and friends had some arty but no air power. end story is that the americans lost exactly 0 people and their allied forces had 1 WIA. wagner and friends were ~100 KIA and per russia another 200 WIA, resulting in half of the attacking force being neutralized. "ripped to shreds" is an appropriate wording.
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Jul 22, 2023 22:15
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Such a blast Wagner made surviving it medal-worthy
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Jul 22, 2023 22:20
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Lol didn't the the US and wagner accidentally face off one time and Wagner got absolutely smoked? E: nm, beaten ^
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Jul 22, 2023 22:20
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It was no accident, Putin just overplayed his hand and badly underestimated the tech and firepower difference. It actually caused quite a scandal for Putin at the time. Russia smugly disavowed their Wagner forces being sent to attack that US position because when the US called them up to ask about it, the Russians assumed the US was asking them to stop out of fear. But unfortunately for them the fear was of starting an international incident when they quickly deleted the forces attacking them.
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Jul 22, 2023 22:20
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On the one hand, moving into Poland would be the dumbest thing Putin could possibly do and there's no way in hell it'll happen. Otoh lots of us thought the same thing about invading Ukraine 
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Jul 22, 2023 22:21
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that entire wikipedia article is worth reading in the context of the current conflict not for the US actions or whatever but for the entire playbook that the putin administration ran, if you read the incitement and reactions it's basically every god damned day of this stupid loving war. russia shoots itself, asks how ukraine could do this, tries to say that didn't even hurt, that wasn't even me, and someone dies of blood loss trying to hold the bullet wounds closed just off camera. putin has to admit that in fact it did hurt and that was him a couple days later, moments before talking about how in fact he's better off because now he has an immunity to bullets. you also get bonus doses of iran saying that the USA's aggressive zeal is worse than ISIL's - you know, the group that was, at the time, literally running around attacking and conquering territory in order to build a new islamic state - moments before admitting "btw yeah we totally attacked, the USA was just sorta sitting there"
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Jul 22, 2023 22:34
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drat, that's crazy! i can see why it wasn't a spark for more, since the US troops were just there as instructors on someone else's territory and it wasn't technically us-russian combat (the us seems to have tried very hard not to attack russians), but still scary. in exchange i wiki dived and came up with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Great_War the official British history of WW1, the last new volume of which was finally published in 2010.
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Jul 22, 2023 22:41
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cr0y posted:Lol didn't the the US and wagner accidentally face off one time and Wagner got absolutely smoked? Absolutely not an accident that they attacked. They'd been probing the area for weeks - this was essentially an attempt to push out from the small SAA bridgehead on the Eastern side of the river by overrunning a small Kurdish border outpost manned by a small number of infantry. They opened the battle with heavy MLRS and artillery fire, rolled in tanks to shell the place (getting javelin'd in the process), and then promptly got wholesale wrecked by air and artillery until they bravely ran away. Coincidentally the border probing attempts stopped immediately after the battle.
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