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gradenko_2000 posted:

Bad news for tankies

https://twitter.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1682889038133329923?t=xUa4Jpi3tR5Cz9gFFIExUg&s=19

https://twitter.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1682890662709002240?t=yu1U52i65XZfKMlRdGeejw&s=19

I don't really have a witty retort to this, except to say that guy's a god drat moron

# ? Jul 23, 2023 04:11

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# ? May 25, 2024 20:14

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

there's no point having a comeback. It's the same people saying this, that brag about the end of history and a unipolar world where the US oversees everything. No one in the west has autonomy from the US. That's the whole point. It's why using the term hegemony is kind of important because it better describes the system. There's a capitalist hegemony that has the current seat of power located in the USA and everything in the world is subservient to it. Or if it isn't, they're going to break things until it is.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 04:20

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

gradenko_2000 posted:

Bad news for tankies

https://twitter.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1682889038133329923?t=xUa4Jpi3tR5Cz9gFFIExUg&s=19

https://twitter.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1682890662709002240?t=yu1U52i65XZfKMlRdGeejw&s=19

But what about Syri-

Swann: Shut up shut up SHUT UP!

# ? Jul 23, 2023 04:57

spacetoaster: Feb 10, 2014

https://twitter.com/jordan72869640/status/1682901221714145280

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:02

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

i've noticed that libs love to invent definitions that are either so broad or so incredibly narrow that they render the whole concept that's being described meaningless

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:05

BearsBearsBears: Aug 4, 2022

spacetoaster posted:

Also, I just watched that black mirror episode with the tiny robotic bees.

Watch Slaughterbots on youtube. Its like a black mirror episode in 8 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fa9lVwHHqg

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:08

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

tatankatonk posted:

.....America literally invaded, conquered, and occupied two different countries in the 21st century...they were pretty high-profile incidents at the time....

Ah, but they didn't annex Iraq and Afghanistan, unlike Putler

Totally different

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:11

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

gradenko_2000 posted:

Ah, but they didn't annex Iraq and Afghanistan, unlike Putler

Totally different

it's pretty wild how supporters and enablers of US hegemony in the 21st century lack basic understanding of what that actually looks like in practice. Iraq is just a big question mark between 1989 and now??

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:16

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

my bony fealty posted:

it's pretty wild how supporters and enablers of US hegemony in the 21st century lack basic understanding of what that actually looks like in practice. Iraq is just a big question mark between 1989 and now??

gradenko_2000 posted:

Totally different

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:17

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Iraq, Afghanistian, Libya and Syria were all outside the walled garden of European racial and cultural supremacy, in the wild savage jungle. So none of those count. To the superior will of the pureblooded pro-Ukranian spirit descended from the one true line of Bandera Uth Hitler Von Schnitzelgruber its an affront for anyone to invade back. To invade them. How dare they.

Excuse me I seem to have misplaced my chin.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:19

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

DancingShade posted:

Iraq, Afghanistian, Libya and Syria were all outside the walled garden of European racial and cultural supremacy, in the wild savage jungle. So none of those count. To the superior will of the pureblooded pro-Ukranian spirit descended from the one true line of Bandera Uth Hitler Von Schnitzelgruber its an affront for anyone to invade back. To invade them. How dare they.

the West never escaped its continental wars being the most devastating conflicts in human history

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:20

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

DancingShade posted:

Iraq, Afghanistian, Libya and Syria were all outside the walled garden of European racial and cultural supremacy, in the wild savage jungle. So none of those count. To the superior will of the pureblooded pro-Ukranian spirit descended from the one true line of Bandera Uth Hitler Von Schnitzelgruber its an affront for anyone to invade back. To invade them. How dare they.

Excuse me I seem to have misplaced my chin.

I think there was a vague point about territorial conquest rather than vassalage and even then the US actually added pacific territories after World War 2.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:24

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

quote:

[U-R WAR] People bitching about nonexistent US imperialism

oh my god what is the source of the thread title? please tell me we got another GBS simpleton

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:34

fizzy: Dec 2, 2022; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

crepeface posted:

oh my god what is the source of the thread title? please tell me we got another GBS simpleton

Good news for crepeface - Here is the answer to your query.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Bad news for tankies

https://twitter.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1682889038133329923?t=xUa4Jpi3tR5Cz9gFFIExUg&s=19

https://twitter.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1682890662709002240?t=yu1U52i65XZfKMlRdGeejw&s=19

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:38

Gravid Topiary: Feb 16, 2012

fizzy posted:

Good news [...]

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:46

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Ooc what year was that poll?

2003.

thechosenone posted:

I'm a math major (I tell myself sometimes in between doing gently caress and all with it), and I rarely take any statistics by their word. At best political polls show you what the publishers want you to see and not much else one way or the other.

Then again I'm poisoned with cynicism to the point of either it contributing to or being a result of depression.

I mean I selected the poll with the most extreme results but there's a bunch that broadly agree that most American's supported the invasion of Iraq and that seems to be the consensus from the yankee dogs in the thread.

Regarde Aduck posted:

i don't know how you can call a helicopter a 'standout'. They only seem to do well when there's absolutely no air defense. Seems limited in a peer conflict?

Seems like they're very good behind a fixed defence which I agree is limited but it's still very useful especially given how wide a section of front a small number of helicopters can cover.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:49

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

Bad news for tankies

https://twitter.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1682889038133329923?t=xUa4Jpi3tR5Cz9gFFIExUg&s=19

The US is too racist to annex Cuba

Fear of more non-white citizens has been the biggest internal challenge to US territorial expansion since its first invasion of Mexico.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 06:00

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

fizzy posted:

Good news for crepeface - Here is the answer to your query.

thanks fizzy!

# ? Jul 23, 2023 06:00

paul_soccer12: Jan 5, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

Regarde Aduck posted:

they do not have toilet

Calibanibal posted:

The scene from Fiddler on the Roof where Motel gets a sewing machine, but its the first orc to bring a looted toilet home to his town, and the entire neighborhood crowds into his house to watch him use it

# ? Jul 23, 2023 06:02

paul_soccer12: Jan 5, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

rip

# ? Jul 23, 2023 06:02

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Yeah people supported the Iraq War at the time, they just soured a year later when everyone pretended not every politician was in on it.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 06:04

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

Ardennes posted:

Yeah people supported the Iraq War at the time, they just soured a year later when everyone pretended not every politician was in on it.

Barbara Lee stays uh, winning, at one point in time

# ? Jul 23, 2023 06:08

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

democrats and demsocs were allowed to be performatively antiwar, as was the style at the time

# ? Jul 23, 2023 06:40

supersnowman: Oct 3, 2012

mawarannahr posted:

MS MITCHELL: Which we�re all feeling here in the U.S. and all over Europe, but all over the world now it�s become � it is reality.

Let me ask you about what Russia is doing, bombing grain silos, canceling the grain agreement. This is going to increase famine around the world. Food prices are going to go up. And there is real concern now about Russia claiming a false flag as they mine �

SECRETARY BLINKEN: That�s right.

MS MITCHELL: � the Black Sea harbors, and blaming Ukraine. Is there anything that we can do? I know the UN is having meetings today, but Russia has a veto there. Is there any way that � can NATO escort ships through? How do we get the grain out quickly, even while we try to help them with overland routes?

SECRETARY BLINKEN: So, Andrea, first, let�s put this in perspective. Of course, this never should have been necessary. The Black Sea Grain Initiative never should have been necessary in the first place. The only reason it had to happen was because Russia invaded Ukraine, and then having invaded Ukraine it decided to blockade its ports � the leading port, Odesa, for export to the world of wheat and grain and other food products. And so the United Nations, T�rkiye helped initiate this effort. The result over about a year was to get 35 million tons of food products out to the rest of the world, predominantly to the developing world � 50 percent of the food products at least going to the developing world; two-thirds of the wheat. That meant people were getting food on the table. It meant that even countries that weren�t directly receiving the food products from Ukraine were getting lower prices, because it�s a world market.

Russia, by weaponizing food, is doing something truly unconscionable. Throughout this period, when the initiative was working, that 35 million tons equates to about 18 billion loaves of bread. Imagine what that means every single day to people living throughout the developing world.

So I hope the world is watching this and seeing how Russia is cynically manipulating food in order to advance its objectives in Ukraine.

Now, to your question, we�re working with allies, we�re working with partners, we�re working with Ukraine to look at other options. But I have to tell you, I don�t think it�s possible to make up the volumes lost by ending this initiative through other routes.

So we�re going to do our best, but this has put a deep chill on the � on shipping, on insuring. And by the way, in the four days since they have ended their participation in this arrangement, what have they done, Russia? They bombed every single day the Odesa Port. They�ve laid more mines. They�ve threatened shipping. In fact, they did an exercise just yesterday that they very deliberately publicized where they simulated an attack on a ship. What does that tell you about their intentions? What does that tell you about the lack of any basic decency when it comes to getting food where it needs to go?

MS MITCHELL: So now there�s no way that commercial shipping can proceed. I mean, I�m sure it�s �

SECRETARY BLINKEN: It�s very � I think it�s very, very difficult, because for the shippers, for the insurers, given the threats � more than the threats, the action that Russia�s taken over the last few days � it would be very hard to operate in that environment. That�s why we are looking for alternatives, we are looking for options; I just don�t think we can make up the volume.

MS MITCHELL: What about the false flag? Is it of concern?

SECRETARY BLINKEN: Well, we�ve raised real concerns about that. I think you heard Bill Burns talk to that, John Kirby from the White House podium. Again, this is something that is part and parcel of the Russian playbook. We said before the aggression against Ukraine started � I was at the United Nations a couple of weeks before. We laid out in detail the very kinds of false flag operations that they would conduct in anticipation of the attack. It�s exactly what they did. We called them on it; the world knew about it. We want to make sure that people see what this is, if it happens, for what it is.

MS MITCHELL: How concerned are you about the counteroffensive, which is bogged down, by Ukraine�s own admission?

SECRETARY BLINKEN: Look, these are still relatively early days. We have said from the start, we�ve known from the start that this would be hard going. You�ve heard a number of people talk about that. The Russians have laid significant and serious defenses when it comes to mines initially. The Ukrainians are working their way through that. I believe they have what they need to be very successful. And as they deploy and as they actually put into this effort all of the forces that have been trained in recent months, the equipment that we and some 50 countries have provided them, I think that will make a profound difference.

But here�s what makes the ultimate difference. The ultimate difference is, unlike the Russians, they�re fighting for their land, they�re fighting for their country, they�re fighting for their future, they�re fighting for their freedom. That is the single biggest difference-maker that I think we�ve already seen as they�ve taken back more than 50 percent of the territory that Russia initially seized. That�s the difference-maker going forward, too.

MS MITCHELL: How weakened do you think Vladimir Putin is by the aborted rebellion?

SECRETARY BLINKEN: It�s hard for us to know for sure, and it�s hard to � and probably wrong to speculate. I think what we can say safely is that we�ve seen cracks emerge in the facade. The fact that Prigozhin made a direct challenge to Putin�s authority, the fact that he questioned publicly the very premises that Putin has advanced for the aggression against Ukraine � that�s playing out and will continue to play out. We�ve seen the ongoing drama, too, of where is Prigozhin, what is the arrangement with Putin? We�ve seen their forces, the Wagner forces, move to Belarus � very bad for Belarus, because wherever Wagner goes, exploitation, death, and destruction inevitably follow. We don�t know how this will play out.

If I were Mr. Prigozhin, I would remain very concerned. NATO has an �Open Door� policy; Russia has an open windows policy, and he needs to be very focused on that.

MS MITCHELL: Let me ask you about Evan Gershkovich and Paul Whelan. Are there any signals from Moscow that they�re open to a trade prior to the inevitable conviction on false charges and sentencing, which would be months and months to come? And Evan Gershkovich has been held already, and Paul Whelan has been there almost five years, or more than five years.

SECRETARY BLINKEN: So Andrea, one of the things that we found not just in dealing with Russia, but dealing with a number of other countries that have arbitrarily detained Americans, is that even when we have fundamental differences, fundamental disagreements � and almost by definition the countries that engage in this practice are countries with which we have profound differences � we�re still often able to work discretely and separately on efforts to bring Americans home.

Since President Biden�s been in office, we�ve brought 29 Americans who were being arbitrarily detained home from about eight or nine different countries, all countries with which we have very difficult relations. This is something that we continue to work irrespective of anything else that�s going on in the relationship. We�ll continue to do that.

MS MITCHELL: Is another country offering someone now that might be helpful in a trade?

SECRETARY BLINKEN: We are constantly looking on what it might take, what it might involve to get the result that we want. I can�t go any further than that. But all I can tell you is this is something that we�re doing day-in, day-out. Our determination is to bring people home.

MS MITCHELL: The House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Mike McCaul is calling for President Biden to appoint a special envoy for peace talks for Ukraine now. Are you open to that?

SECRETARY BLINKEN: If we saw any evidence that Russia was interested in having meaningful peace talks, we would be the first to jump on it � well, maybe the second because I suspect the Ukrainians would be first. No one wants this war over more quickly than the Ukrainians. They�re on the receiving end of Russia�s aggression every day.

Unfortunately, I see zero evidence that Russia�s interested. And the fundamental problem is this: President Putin believes, continues to believe, that he can outlast Ukraine and that he can outlast all of Ukraine�s supporters. It�s vitally important that we disabuse him of that notion. That goes to the support that so many of us are providing Ukraine right now, but it also goes to something very important that we did just a couple of weeks ago at the Vilnius summit and at the end of the summit.

Countries came together, including G7 countries and a few others, to say that they were going to make a long-term commitment to Ukraine�s security, help it build up over time its deterrent and defense capacity, so that Russia couldn�t repeat this exercise. That sends a very strong signal to Vladimir Putin that we�re not going anywhere, Ukraine is not going anywhere, and it will have the means to defend itself.

If there�s a change in President Putin�s mindset when it comes to this, maybe there�ll be an opening. Right now, we don�t see it.

It's funny how nobody ever mention the little fact the grain deal had condition for the west to fulfill which never were. Gotta make sure the narrative is always only "Russia is evil" instead of we didn't hold our side of the bargain.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 07:15

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

supersnowman posted:

It's funny how nobody ever mention the little fact the grain deal had condition for the west to fulfill which never were. Gotta make sure the narrative is always only "Russia is evil" instead of we didn't hold our side of the bargain.

it is important for Putin to know that the West cannot be trusted or bargained with

# ? Jul 23, 2023 07:16

Halser: Aug 24, 2016

gradenko_2000 posted:

funny tweets

if you define imperialism as "when you attempt to annex Cuba specifically and by force specifically" then I guess the US has never done it

except for that one time

# ? Jul 23, 2023 07:19

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

bedpan posted:

it is important for Putin to know that the West cannot be trusted or bargained with

Yup. The failsons are too stupid to remember the one weird trick that always works on Russia

# ? Jul 23, 2023 07:20

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

supersnowman posted:

It's funny how nobody ever mention the little fact the grain deal had condition for the west to fulfill which never were. Gotta make sure the narrative is always only "Russia is evil" instead of we didn't hold our side of the bargain.

mentioning this gets you probated in gbs

you're literally not allowed to talk about the specifics of the deal

# ? Jul 23, 2023 07:21

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Regarde Aduck posted:

mentioning this gets you probated in gbs

you're literally not allowed to talk about the specifics of the deal

yeah it is inadvisable to mention statements by the Secretary of State elsewhere.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 07:23

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Gunther ftw
https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/status/1682716301721063424
https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/status/1682875028805763072

# ? Jul 23, 2023 07:32

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

mawarannahr posted:

Gunther ftw
https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/status/1682716301721063424
https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/status/1682875028805763072

I get the feeling from reading Gunther's question of "what race of neighbour do you want inside the EU?" that the only acceptable answer is "German", "Austrian" or "Ukranian".

Ze superior ubermensch! (supporting evidence not found)

# ? Jul 23, 2023 07:45

evilmiera: Dec 14, 2009; Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

mawarannahr posted:

Gunther ftw
https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/status/1682716301721063424
https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/status/1682875028805763072

This is what not getting your skul-gun leads to

# ? Jul 23, 2023 07:48

ArkhamPraetor: Sep 11, 2011

you know even with west germany's love of nazis i kinda just assumed rheinmetall would have gotten dissolved after ww2

and not still exist to this day as an arms manufacturer

# ? Jul 23, 2023 07:53

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

ArkhamPraetor posted:

you know even with west germany's love of nazis i kinda just assumed rheinmetall would have gotten dissolved after ww2

and not still exist to this day as an arms manufacturer

It is kind of hilarious how short and non-descript Wikipedia is in English (doesn't even really mention the war directly) compare to its length and complexity in German.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 07:58

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

That's enough Gepard ammo for 5 minutes of continuous fire for every Gepard donated.

supersnowman posted:

It's funny how nobody ever mention the little fact the grain deal had condition for the west to fulfill which never were. Gotta make sure the narrative is always only "Russia is evil" instead of we didn't hold our side of the bargain.

Well technically the only parties to the deal are Russia, Ukraine and Turkey.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 07:58

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

ArkhamPraetor posted:

you know even with west germany's love of nazis i kinda just assumed rheinmetall would have gotten dissolved after ww2

and not still exist to this day as an arms manufacturer

Try to read about Krupp for a fun time

# ? Jul 23, 2023 08:10

Cuttlefush: Jan 15, 2014; gotta have my purp

"krupp, the elevator compan- oh my god"

# ? Jul 23, 2023 08:12

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

ArkhamPraetor posted:

you know even with west germany's love of nazis i kinda just assumed rheinmetall would have gotten dissolved after ww2

and not still exist to this day as an arms manufacturer

BMW
Mercedes
Volkswagen
Porsche
HK

Maybach stopped existing but Mercedes took the trouble of bringing it back as a brand

# ? Jul 23, 2023 08:15

January 6 Survivor: Jan 6, 2022; The
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of clapping
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( o(

But if I want to get one Ernst Thalmann factory manufactured Makarov suddenly I'm "problematic"

January 6 Survivor has issued a correction as of 08:36 on Jul 23, 2023

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Gulping Again: Mar 10, 2007

BULBASAUR posted:

Stalin made the classic mistake of somewhat trusting an American

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