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I've been calling it Joenances
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Why? Was Binance already tak--oh. Oh.
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burnishedfume posted:I mean, that's pretty easy to do when you stop existing for 30 years. The Sasanian Empire is also pretty low evil these days but western chauvinists aren't ready for THAT conversation Just have to stop by and say thank you to this post in particular lol
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Killer robot posted:That's an important thing, yeah: mobilizing evangelicals to vote as a unified bloc was huge for Republicans. Though it's also still related to what I said because they started doing it in protest of integration before Roe vs. Wade made them suddenly decide life began at conception. White Evangelical Racism by Anthea Butler is an excellent (and concise) look at this, by the way.
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Kalit posted:...this is far from your original claim I was replying to about Houston not being "all that blue". Even if you take it on a relative scale of "all but one of the suburban counties of Chicago", which of course doesn't include Cook since Chicago resides completely within Cook. The Houston program is pretty effective but I'm honestly not sure I'd call it progressive. It's success has been on diverting federal funds to the program and lots of low to moderate rent apartments on the market. I think what they're doing is pragmatic but I'd only consider it progressive if they did more to change the system to help the long term prospects of the program, it's in danger because of a dry up of federal money and rising housing prices
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Oh yikes https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/desantis-doubles-down-on-claim-that-some-blacks-benefited-from-slavery/ar-AA1edB5d WaPo thru MSN, no paywall quote:DeSantis doubles down on claim that some Blacks benefited from slavery Let DeSantis talk about slavery all day If you haven't taken the opportunity yet, ask a fellow conservative to describe the benefits of slavery. Then ask them what would have otherwise prevented the knowledge or skill gained if they were free. You can get people to admit they think that it is exclusively through the guidance of a slave owner that slaves truly benefited from a total lack of freedom or rights.
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Look, we all agree that false imprisonment is bad. However, sometimes it's only be being falsely imprisoned that you are set up to become a rich count, and and get the life you always wanted. We should really be nuanced and not go all in on woke indoctrination that people who frame others for crimes are inherently evil.
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parthenocarpy posted:Oh yikes It's even more pathetic that the lickspittles on the Florida Board of Education decided to go all-in on Desantis' bullshit and couldn't even get that right.
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parthenocarpy posted:If you haven't taken the opportunity yet, ask a fellow conservative to describe the benefits of slavery. Then ask them what would have otherwise prevented the knowledge or skill gained if they were free. You can get people to admit they think that it is exclusively through the guidance of a slave owner that slaves truly benefited from a total lack of freedom or rights. Given the obviously racist premises at play here, I would wager that the answer would also involve some linear combination of "well otherwise they'd be stuck in Africa" or "learning a white man's skill is something an n-slur can't teach to another", possibly modified with "back then" but not necessarily. Looks like pudding dick Ron is going whole hog on saying the vile stuff out loud, since he's getting crushed by Trump in every freaking poll  Can't wait for next year!
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https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1682547800247001088 Dude should have listened to his mom and shut up
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We really are dusting off the old "school of the plantation" line from the 1840s and 50s, huh? John C. Calhoun would be so proud.
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Fighting Trousers posted:We really are dusting off the old "school of the plantation" line from the 1840s and 50s, huh? John C. Calhoun would be so proud. No, now we're also insisting that slavery was a good way to learn reading, writing, and other core educational skills that would help you go on to found a University.
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 This is one of the nutjob authors. C2C - 2.0 fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Jul 23, 2023 |
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DeSantis ran such a loving racist campaign against Andrew Gillum. Who would have thought he’d govern like a loving racist after that? It’s still kind of amazing to me that the Fox talking heads are trying to cover for this one, in particular.
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parthenocarpy posted:https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1682547800247001088 "No one is arguing slavery benefited the slaves. We're arguing that slavery benefited the slaves." Like, what the gently caress my guy? Hypocrisy is a goddam super power.
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Jul 23, 2023 15:25
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The slaves were occasionally, I'm being told, sometimes fed, and that food was digested and gave appreciable sustenance and nutrition which undoubtedly benefitted the slave.
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When you think about it, slavery is in many ways similar with volunteer work: you work together with others for some greater good, without getting paid.
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It's the ultimate internship.
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Democrats support affirmative action, and what was slavery but an affirmative action jobs program? My only objection is that this dog piling on DeSantis is coming at a time when he has absolutely no chance and the real fight is Trump.
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European settlers had to pay probably substantial amounts for the trip across the Atlantic. But those West African migrants? They got it all for free 
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Nenonen posted:European settlers had to pay probably substantial amounts for the trip across the Atlantic. But those West African migrants? They got it all for free What's the usual refrain? They were fed, they go to be with their families, they got to learn new skills, really they should thank us for civilizing them.
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Morrow posted:Democrats support affirmative action, and what was slavery but an affirmative action jobs program? This is the new Florida curriculum and goes beyond Desantis' presidential run.
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The female slaves raped by the slavemaster should simply be grateful that they were birthing children of nordic and anglo-saxon stock. But seriously this doubling down on "slavery was good, actually" is a serious "gently caress around and find out" moment in the making. I know they WANT to downplay the effects of slavery but I'm not confident normal people are going to be comfortable with that.
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Who can deny the benefits of being brought to the greatest country in the world and being civilized through the hard work of the masters? Are you telling me you’d rather be deported back to Africa to live in a hut? It’s weird how this rhetoric hasn’t changed at all in over 100 years. I AM GRANDO fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jul 23, 2023 |
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Nelson Mandingo posted:
I think generally time separated from the civil war and the whole debunking of confederate culture (in the mainstream anyways) has been helpful it people seeing through SOME of the slavery was actually good for slaves thing. I mean, it was "only" a century between the Civil War and Civil Rights Act, lots of lingering cultural divides from people who lived through it I am sure still have bearing on people's thoughts.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:But seriously this doubling down on "slavery was good, actually" is a serious "gently caress around and find out" moment in the making. I know they WANT to downplay the effects of slavery but I'm not confident normal people are going to be comfortable with that. I don't think the normal people of today are who they're doing this for. If there's one things we know about conservatives, it's that they can play the long game. They can absolutely bide their time stacking courts, loving with history textbooks and school curriculums and chip away at the idea that slavery was bad, until eventually, people who know that slavery was bad are some fringe minority and the official story is that not only was it cool and good, but hell, the slaves were volunteering to come over and work for a better opportunity for themselves and to gain lots of exposure.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Who can deny the benefits of being brought to the greatest country in the world and being civilized through the hard work of the madters? Are you telling me you’d rather be deported back to Africa to live in a hut? Once upon a time Ayn Rand was promoting this poo poo so frequently that it started to feel like she had an explosives belt strapped to her that would blast her waxy rear end clean off the second she fell behind on telling people that force and fraud was actually ok if it was done to the dirt people. Like she be inaugurating military grads or something and BEEP BEEP BEEP oh yes but if a segway here but forget what I was just saying it turns out it was OK to feed the native americans into wood chippers because they weren't going to leverage their private property into passive income like the true enlighteneds
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Gyges posted:It's the ultimate internship. They were paid with exposure.
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Will no one rid me of this meddlesome Thirteenth Amendment?
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Gyges posted:No, now we're also insisting that slavery was a good way to learn reading, writing, and other core educational skills that would help you go on to found a University. Not to mention calling back to this old one where an NFL broadcaster said that black people were better at football because of slave breeding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKtIqXMpHcY So we can all thank slavery for giving us awesome football and Patrick Mahomes. Also, now all these guys get to make a lot of money because the slave masters were kind enough to breed them like animals. E gently caress. That wasn't even the clip I was looking for. Here's a WAPO article on it from 1988 https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...1-851d5281ade4/ BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jul 23, 2023 |
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While we're talking about my extremely dumb state, our state CFO decided to respond to Farmers Insurance pulling out of Florida by....you guessed it, calling them Wokequote:Jimmy Patronis, CFO of the state, lit into Farmers Insurance for its plans to leave the state on CNBC recently, saying “if they would just leave ESG [environmental, social, and corporate governance ] and put it away, and focus on the bottom line, they may not have made this decision to leave the state of Florida with the tail between their legs.” https://fortune.com/2023/07/20/florida-insurance-woke-jimmy-patronis-cfo-bud-light/?queryly=related_article
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DeSantis' talking points go all the way back to the pre-civil war era. Slave owners themselves would buy into the idea that they were a gentle guiding hand. Northern industrialists were monsters who only provided you wages instead of a house, food, and comfort was a common retort to northern abolitionist arguments.
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FlamingLiberal posted:While we're talking about my extremely dumb state, our state CFO decided to respond to Farmers Insurance pulling out of Florida by....you guessed it, calling them Woke Wow those comparisons are really going to hurt their business in the state they’re refusing to do business in
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parthenocarpy posted:https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1682547800247001088 Even if you wanted to be as charitable as possible and find some grain of truth in this take, the idea that this should in any sense be the main lens for teaching about the history of slavery is completely bonkers, to put it mildly. It's like if your main takeaway from Star Wars is that evil empires result in people learning how to fly X-Wings.
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Gumball Gumption posted:DeSantis' talking points go all the way back to the pre-civil war era. Slave owners themselves would buy into the idea that they were a gentle guiding hand. Northern industrialists were monsters who only provided you wages instead of a house, food, and comfort was a common retort to northern abolitionist arguments. Reminds me of a history podcast discussion describing how viking-age slavery in Iceland ending because the rich land-owners realized it worked out better for them if the slaves were "independent tenant farmers" where the relationship ended with paying large portions of their crops, instead of slaves where the owners were legally and socially obligated to feed and house in the winter lean months. Yes, you've managed to do the "right" thing, but still somehow have been a horrible lovely person in actual effect.
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Insurance companies pulled of California without much hullabaloo, why is it a bigger deal in Florida? https://apnews.com/article/california-wildfire-insurance-e31bef0ed7eeddcde096a5b8f2c1768f
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There's a part of me that really wants to ask these apologists "Based on your talking points, do you believe that slavery is morally correct and justified? And if so, do you also believe that you are obligated to own slaves should the chance present itself?", but I know they'll automatically weasel themselves out of answering.
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Logic Probed posted:There's a part of me that really wants to ask these apologists "Based on your talking points, do you believe that slavery is morally correct and justified? And if so, do you also believe that you are obligated to own slaves should the chance present itself?", but I know they'll automatically weasel themselves out of answering. Well obviously things were different back then... 
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It's the old "we're not saying slavery was good and was beneficial BUT..." And they do this crap all the time. And why is everyone dogpiling on Ron for exercising his freedom of speech, anyways? Huh, libs? I thought you were tolerant." Still hosed up and really telling that we're at a point where schools teaching that Slavery Was/Is Bad and a shameful stain on our country is controversial, woke and we need to see both sides. "Slavery is Terrible" should be something we can all kind of rally around but here we are so I guess not. Let's have an open debate and discussion about the relative merits of it for some reason and why it wasn't all bad. Did I mention that Irish, Jewish and Asian people also were discriminated against (a favorite from my parents)? Plus, it ended a long time ago and when are black people gonna stop using it as an excuse. Furthermore... *fart* "The Native Americans were savages" is one I've heard bandied about too. gently caress Ron DeSantis and the entire Republican party. Can't wait for the "reasonable candidate", Chris Christie, to chime in on how abhorrent this is and watch his poll numbers sink even further as a result or Liz loving Cheney to comment on it and get called a RINO. Talk radio is gonna be locked and loaded about how the liberal media twisted Ron's words tomorrow. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Jul 23, 2023 |
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