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VR use beyond gaming (and even that has considerable limitations) is never going to take off until someone makes a headset with good graphics that is also as lightweight and convenient as a pair of glasses. That's really it, technology limitations. Nobody wants to put on a bulky, expensive headset with a cord in order to watch movies, do work, or go shopping. And even if you could make such a headset, many people are not going to bother when you can do all of those things with a normal computer/phone.
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Queering Wheel posted:VR use beyond gaming (and even that has considerable limitations) is never going to take off until someone makes a headset with good graphics that is also as lightweight and convenient as a pair of glasses. That's really it, technology limitations. Nobody wants to put on a bulky, expensive headset with a cord in order to watch movies, do work, or go shopping. And even if you could make such a headset, many people are not going to bother when you can do all of those things with a normal computer/phone. Even with better tech is it ever going to take off outside of maybe gaming? Like I can see maybe if the glasses were real light and cheap people getting a pair for occasional checking out a video of ancient ruins, or underwater or what ever for a couple of minutes, and of course porn, but other than that? I guess maybe watching a movie? But feel like most of the time people would prefer AR unless the qualities significantly worse.
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A shitload of 'metaverse' pitches are also basically the same as crypto in trying to offer a new commons that comes pre-enclosed, where buying in early means a free money machine for the rest of your life. And they wonder why no one wants in. Combine that with people with fundamental misunderstandings of what video games are and how people want to use the internet and you get a product that is for nobody, and clearly not even living up to the pipe dreams of its creators.
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Jul 24, 2023 06:22
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Casual-wear AR will never take off unless it's 100% guaranteed to not have ads forced onto every single possible surface.
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Jul 24, 2023 10:05
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oh they just went ahead and did it 
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Jul 24, 2023 10:12
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Nuclear Spoon posted:oh they just went ahead and did it It's even weirder cause it's a logo change instead of a name change, at least for now:  Imagine someone buying Coca-Cola and changing the logo to __*X*__ EDIT: I guess the idea is that the X logo is a stylized bird? 
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Jul 24, 2023 10:30
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dr_rat posted:Even with better tech is it ever going to take off outside of maybe gaming? Like I can see maybe if the glasses were real light and cheap people getting a pair for occasional checking out a video of ancient ruins, or underwater or what ever for a couple of minutes, and of course porn, but other than that? I can see a handful of uses, but they're fairly niche and mostly around architecture and engineering. Designing/buying a new home? Want to walk around and see it for yourself? I don't see a mainstream future but there are instances where it would be nice to visualize a physical space.
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Shooting Blanks posted:I can see a handful of uses, but they're fairly niche and mostly around architecture and engineering. Designing/buying a new home? Want to walk around and see it for yourself? I mean most of the time AR seems like it would be better than VR for architecture and engineering I would of thought, particularly for any on site stuff, but I mean I guess I can see it be handy for some off site visualization stuff. That Italian Guy posted:EDIT: I guess the idea is that the X logo is a stylized bird? lol they actually went through with it. And yeah pretty sure the X is meant to just be an X. The thicker line isn't even angled the same way the twitter bird was and oh does it look half assed and cheap.
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dr_rat posted:lol they actually went through with it. And yeah pretty sure the X is meant to just be an X. The thicker line isn't even angled the same way the twitter bird was and oh does it look half assed and cheap. My prediction is that this will follow the same path as Twitter Blue:
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Jul 24, 2023 10:46
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That Italian Guy posted:It's even weirder cause it's a logo change instead of a name change, at least for now: NO IT'S NOT A PHASE, CALL ME X NOW, AND YOU AREN'T MY REAL DAD, STEVE!
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Jul 24, 2023 10:55
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Kith posted:Casual-wear AR will never take off unless it's 100% guaranteed to not have ads forced onto every single possible surface. It will also never be developed unless it's 100% guaranteed to put ads everywhere.
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Jul 24, 2023 11:03
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Clarste posted:It will also never be developed unless it's 100% guaranteed to put ads everywhere. 
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Jul 24, 2023 11:51
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It's literally just Unicode Character “𝕏” (U+1D54F), and therefore, it can't be trademarked in its current form https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1D54F
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Jul 24, 2023 12:07
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Nuclear Spoon posted:oh they just went ahead and did it Looks like Musk's 🕶️🙂 Putting all of his X 😎 Into one basket https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q&t=464s
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Jul 24, 2023 13:46
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Looks like a plane crashing to me.
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Should have just gone with the cool "S" imo.
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Jul 24, 2023 14:10
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You know Musk is a serious businessman when he can’t even get Twitter to run properly and he’s already talking about putting financial services on the app Instead of, you know, getting actual advertisers back so he can keep the lights on?
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Jul 24, 2023 14:11
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FlamingLiberal posted:You know Musk is a serious businessman when he can’t even get Twitter to run properly and he’s already talking about putting financial services on the app No you don't understand, as soon as twitter becomes the "everything app" the fact it has no advertisers and doesn't work won't so no one uses it won't matter. Details like those are for people who can't think big!
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Jul 24, 2023 14:14
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Also funny that apparently the 'everything app' already exists in China as WeChat, and apparently was more accidental as it expanded into a bunch of different services and actually is reliable enough to dominate at them.
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Jul 24, 2023 14:26
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A shitload of 'metaverse' pitches are also basically the same as crypto in trying to offer a new commons that comes pre-enclosed, where buying in early means a free money machine for the rest of your life. And they wonder why no one wants in. Combine that with people with fundamental misunderstandings of what video games are and how people want to use the internet and you get a product that is for nobody, and clearly not even living up to the pipe dreams of its creators. Being honest, actual innovation doesn't really happen anymore at these companies. Every big internet/social media project of the last decade boil down to "what if current thing, but people have to pay us to use it now?"
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I’m just sad that DMX isn’t with us anymore to get paid* by Elon to make a new version of ‘X Gonna Give It To Ya’ to promote the change *Elon would not have actually paid for this
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Also funny that apparently the 'everything app' already exists in China as WeChat, and apparently was more accidental as it expanded into a bunch of different services and actually is reliable enough to dominate at them. The list of features WeChat has is sort of insane: https://qpsoftware.net/blog/your-guide-to-wechat-features Even has CRM and other corporate type services. No idea if it actually works any better than the bloated mess that facebook is though.
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my impression was the actual innovation in the "metaverse" was being done by the assorted nerds, weebs and furries that VRChat has let roam free on its janky-rear end platform, or at least will until the rampant copyright infringement or horrific non-existence of child safety measures on its platform catch up with it. People Make Games did an interesting video on that. also noting the class divide based on whose headsets are expensive enough to render the complex stuff.
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I think conflating the metaverse with VR as a general concept is being far too generous to the metaverse. VR is VR, and people have been inching it forwards for decades. The metaverse is a scam centered around the creation of artificially scarce virtual real estate with no goal other than to extract money from idiots.
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FlamingLiberal posted:You know Musk is a serious businessman when he can’t even get Twitter to run properly and he’s already talking about putting financial services on the app His entire business plan for Twitter from the beginning (to the extent that he even had one, anyway) was to diversify into different sources of revenue, reducing advertising to a tiny fraction of its overall finances. The guy hates having to cater to advertisers, and wants to render them unimportant so he can do whatever he wants without worrying about their approval. It's also pretty clear at this point that Musk has spent a very long time thinking that playing middleman for other people's financial transactions is an easy and low-risk way to make lots and lots and lots of money. Either that, or he secretly regrets being pushed out of X/Paypal and wants a do-over now that he's in full-on midlife crisis mode.
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Angepain posted:also noting the class divide based on whose headsets are expensive enough to render the complex stuff. At this point if reliable news articles started coming out that people were going into comas after their brains were getting infected by a Sumerian meta virus, at this point I think I'd just be, okay yeah that sounds about right.
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"Lightweight and as comfortable as a pair of glasses" is something that works for "Augmented Reality" stuff, which certainly has a future once someone can make it cheap and also not *complete* poo poo, but the inherent nature of VR does kind of require sensory deprivation of the outside world. Glasses-style headsets would be comfortable but it would be both physically disorienting and bad for immersion to be able to see around the edges of it, and having blinders on them only goes so far in terms of comfort. Imo a large part of VR that stops it from really taking off is that it's a demanding and utterly solitary thing to do. I have a headset that I rarely use not because it's uncomfortable, although that does play a part, but because regularly blinding and deafening myself to the world while walking around swinging my arms in a room-sized space is quite an ask for a family with a toddler. But even beyond that, it's a thing where it's "yeah dads doing vr, so don't try to talk to him or even get near him for like two hours" is a lot.
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Main Paineframe posted:His entire business plan for Twitter from the beginning (to the extent that he even had one, anyway) was to diversify into different sources of revenue, reducing advertising to a tiny fraction of its overall finances. The guy hates having to cater to advertisers, and wants to render them unimportant so he can do whatever he wants without worrying about their approval.
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musk couldn't name his kid a unicode character so he's doing it to twitter instead
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Brown Moses posted:It's literally just Unicode Character “𝕏” (U+1D54F), and therefore, it can't be trademarked in its current form https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1D54F i'm not positive that's how trademark law works, as trademark law can let you use some pretty generic things (for example: specific shades of color). the more generic it is though, the weaker the trademark; likely this one would be so weak it could only be defended in the very specific areas it was used in trade in and the exact ways it was used. evilweasel fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jul 24, 2023 |
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The new logo looks so much like the X Window logo that if I saw it out of context I wouldn't be sure which one I was seeing. And I assume X.org does have that trademarked?
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Brown Moses posted:It's literally just Unicode Character “𝕏” (U+1D54F), and therefore, it can't be trademarked in its current form https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1D54F I know trademark / copyright law is fickle and I am definitely not a lawyer, so my question is how much do they need to modify to get their own copyright? Like could they add a single pixel somewhere and suddenly it’s copyrightable? Or would they need to make more substantial changes?
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It's going to be extra funny when he changes the domain to x.com and forgets to set up a redirect so all the billions of twitter.com links and embeds web-wide stop working
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Family Values posted:The new logo looks so much like the X Window logo that if I saw it out of context I wouldn't be sure which one I was seeing. And I assume X.org does have that trademarked? Yep looks like The Open Group who have stewardship of Windows X have it trademarked https://www.opengroup.org/trademarks
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Seph posted:I know trademark / copyright law is fickle and I am definitely not a lawyer, so my question is how much do they need to modify to get their own copyright? Like could they add a single pixel somewhere and suddenly it’s copyrightable? Or would they need to make more substantial changes? The value of a trademark is entirely in its recognizability, both in terms of marketing and legally. If a layman can't tell the difference then it's the same trademark.
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Seph posted:I know trademark / copyright law is fickle and I am definitely not a lawyer, so my question is how much do they need to modify to get their own copyright? Like could they add a single pixel somewhere and suddenly it’s copyrightable? Or would they need to make more substantial changes? copyright and trademark are very different legal regimes. what the more generic a trademark is, the less it covers. but trademark law is hard and confusing and it's been more than a decade since i was familiar with the details, so I don't really know the boundaries of how strong this would be, aside from the maximum is "not very" for example just reusing the unicode X in a pretty generic logo image might not be copyrightable but it might be trademarkable, but probably for really, really narrow things. like, spaces probably couldn't start using it, but a product that is not a twitter clone probably could.
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Clarste posted:The value of a trademark is entirely in its recognizability, both in terms of marketing and legally. If a layman can't tell the difference then it's the same trademark. So what are the implications of this? If I wanted to set up a new social media company, let’s call it Xitter, and use that X as my logo, they couldn’t stop me?
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Musk can almost certainly trademark Unicode character (U+1D54F) over a black or black marble background. I don't this this is an issue.
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Seph posted:So what are the implications of this? If I wanted to set up a new social media company, let’s call it Xitter, and use that X as my logo, they couldn’t stop me? my instinct is they could absolutely stop you from using it for a twitter clone. they could not stop you from using it for, say, an office supply company. if they could stop you from using it as a payment services company (since twitter doesn't do that yet) or a facebook clone (since that's social media and sort of in the same boat as twitter) would be kinda up in the air and someone much more familiar with trademark law would need to look at it
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Seph posted:So what are the implications of this? If I wanted to set up a new social media company, let’s call it Xitter, and use that X as my logo, they couldn’t stop me? The essence of trademark is ultimately customer confusion. Like, the basic idea of it is that you put a mark on all your products so that customers know it's yours and might assume a standard of quality. Trademark infringement is when someone else starts using your mark to sell their knockoffs (which in turn reduces the value of your trademark). That's the basic legal philosophy and all the boring details revolve around that. So if you used X in an entirely different context where there is no possible room for confusion then that might be fine, but if you use it in the exact same context specifically to create confusion then that is definitely infringement regardless of if you changed the pixels slightly. Edit: You've got to think of it in terms of like a blacksmith putting a literal mark on the bottom of all his pots, or whatever. Clarste fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jul 24, 2023 |
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