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Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Just a Moron posted:

Nah, value is a subjective property that arises out of the interaction between a desiring machine and the object in question. I suppose it's possible to have a desiring machine without subjectivity, but regardless value is immaterial in the crude sense. It is not a property that exists independently in the object.

:thejoke:

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cash crab
Apr 5, 2015

all the time i am eating from the trashcan. the name of this trashcan is ideology


silicone thrills posted:

reminded me of how our old dishwasher growing up always smelled like melted plastic because the plastic containers that went in would always get at least a little melty and soft, even in the top rack.

it's kind of wild that im probably going to see the collapse of the world before i will get to live somewhere with a dishwasher

Just a Moron
Nov 11, 2021


I'm dumb

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Actually some things have no value to anyone. I present exhibit A: this post.

Checkmate :smug:

Just a Moron
Nov 11, 2021

What use has a hammer for an orca?

Just a Moron
Nov 11, 2021

Those fuckers are going to evolve thumbs and then it's over for every body.

Rock Puncher
Jul 26, 2014

Microplastics posted:

Actually some things have no value to anyone. I present exhibit A: this post.

Checkmate :smug:

actually it has multiple values in the somethingawful database values that are intrinsic even

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

cash crab posted:

it's kind of wild that im probably going to see the collapse of the world before i will get to live somewhere with a dishwasher
I got a (countertop) dishwasher a couple of years ago.

Normal dinner plates can't fit in it as intended, so it's been used perhaps a dozen times, tops.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!
:smug:

gently caress You And Diebold posted:

Prepackaged frozen meals have always skeeved me out for the same reason as this. Microwaving plastic in general just seems like a bad plan
https://twitter.com/dwallacewells/status/1682391297867350016

lollin cause those bottles literally come with instructions on sterilizing them with your microwave that the nice people in the NICU show you how to do so you don't kill your kid. good to know I was just inundating him with microplastics instead of bacteria lmao

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Idk why is everyone worried about value not being real, just build a machine for valuing things and then it can serve as a standard long after everyone's dead

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

Colonel Cancer posted:

Idk why is everyone worried about value not being real, just build a machine for valuing things and then it can serve as a standard long after everyone's dead

The ValuTron 3000 values this post at 0 out of 100 valutronium. Marked for deletion from posterity.

It also tells me we don’t need the trees, so actually them burning is fine. Good, even.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon

Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:

The ValuTron 3000 values this post at 0 out of 100 valutronium. Marked for deletion from posterity.

It also tells me we don’t need the trees, so actually them burning is fine. Good, even.

0 value is still value, means you've heard of me!

All this cybernetic nonsense started with the first fucker that invented a scale.

Unless
Jul 24, 2005

I art



Colonel Cancer posted:

Idk why is everyone worried about value not being real, just build a machine for valuing things and then it can serve as a standard long after everyone's dead

4d3d3d
Mar 17, 2017
Death threats against people who try to raise the alarm about climate change: effective

quote:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...on/70401915007/
Gloninger returned home from a haircut on a Friday afternoon in June 2022 and opened his inbox. The sender, who lives in Lenox, had started sending harassing emails days earlier.

"What's your address?" the sender asked. "We conservative Iowans would like to give you an Iowan welcome you will never forget, kinda like the libtards gave JUDGE KAVANAUGH!!!!!!!"

The email was an apparent reference to a California man who was charged with attempted murder for showing up with guns and other weapons at the home of Supreme Court Associate Justice Brett Kavanaugh earlier that month.

"Mentally, I was freaking out and I just kept looking at the 'what's your address line' and it's not that hard to figure out," Gloninger said.

Glonginer froze in his West Des Moines living room. He called Cathy.

"You need to come home," he told her.

In August of last year, after Gloninger received more threatening emails from the Lenox man, West Des Moines police charged the sender with harassment. The man pleaded guilty in September 2022 and agreed to pay a $105 fine.

"If this happened in a state where there were gun laws and penalties worse than $105 for a death threat, I don't think I would've been worried," Gloninger said.
...
Gloninger said KCCI was “super supportive” in most respects after the Lenox man's threats. He said Hearst higher-ups provided a home security system, paid for a hotel room for him and his wife, and hired guards to protect the station.

But he said KCCI managers asked him to avoid climate change coverage, which “left a bad taste” in his mouth.
There's a lot more bad poo poo in the article

Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!



:nws: https://www.tumblr.com/mindypah/662296845777846272/piglii-andmaybegayer-andmaybegayer-piglii :nws:

huh, who knew

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004

ahh nothing better than going to sleep with bad air quality and waking up to bad air quality. but who needs to breathe outside air anyway

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008



i want to be the himbo version of her

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

biceps crimes posted:

i want to be the himbo version of her

I'm getting tired of this himbo poo poo.

The words are bimbo and bimbette.

smoobles
Sep 4, 2014

Is that microwave's Mom

A Bad King
Jul 17, 2009


Suppose the oil man,
He comes to town.
And you don't lay money down.

Yet Mr. King,
He killed the thread
The other day.
Well I wonder.
Who's gonna go to Hell?
we should probably do something about this climate thing, folks. sounds bad.

SixteenShells
Sep 30, 2021

Just a Moron posted:

Those fuckers are going to evolve thumbs and then it's over for every body.

https://phys.org/news/2023-07-phylogenetic-analysis-fully-aquatic-mammals.html

quote:

Taking a closer look, the researchers found that there appears to be a threshold that, once passed, prevents a marine species from evolving back into a terrestrial species. They note that when land animals take to the sea, they undergo significant physical changes, such as an increase in size, which helps to retain heat in the cold water. They also note that most creatures that returned to the sea became carnivores. The study included only mammals; thus, differences might exist for other types of creatures.

In my experience nothing in biology is truly impossible as long as it doesn't like, break physics or something. But it does seem like a pretty big barrier.

4d3d3d
Mar 17, 2017
:(
https://twitter.com/ClimateBen/status/1683476843611996165

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008


another species we won't be even pretending to worry about

why stop now? we have already killed all the whales.

Confusedslight
Jan 9, 2020

A Bad King posted:

we should probably do something about this climate thing, folks. sounds bad.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Sounds like they're the wrong whales

Wakko
Jun 9, 2002
Faboo!

4d3d3d posted:

Death threats against people who try to raise the alarm about climate change: effective

There's a lot more bad poo poo in the article

lmao meteorologist gets the same number of death threats as your average poster their first week online, shits self and leaves the state

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

"Let him speak!"
neat https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/t...ect/ar-AA1eblDu

quote:

The Saharan dust clouds are back and heading in with a vengeance. You won’t see any of the thick, dark dust clouds typically seen in the desert Southwest, but you will see hazy, milky skies around San Antonio. And if your allergies start to flare up, this is the reason.

We’ve gotten similar Saharan clouds over the past few weeks as light concentrations of dust have drifted across the ocean and into our sky during the first half of July, but it has been part of a mix of other particulates in the air. The incoming plume of Saharan dust set to arrive next week is expected to have much higher concentrations of dust particles.

Saharan dust originates from, you guessed it, the Sahara Desert in northern Africa. The dust is picked up by strong winds at the surface and lifted thousands of feet into the air. After reaching the proper altitude, the dust is then picked up by the trade winds and carried west across the Atlantic Ocean, through the Caribbean Sea, and, on occasion, into South Texas via the Gulf of Mexico.

In total, Saharan dust can travel 4,500 to 5,000 miles through the air. And it’s not a light load either. According to NASA, an average of 182 million tons of dust is carried across the ocean each year. That’s enough dust to fill over 600,000 semitrucks.

also going back to effects on hurricane development https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/articles/saharan-dust-explainer

4d3d3d
Mar 17, 2017

Wakko posted:

lmao meteorologist gets the same number of death threats as your average poster their first week online, shits self and leaves the state

I only ever got one death threat online, from gbs and it was obviously tossed off in stupid anger so it didn't worry me. Also I'm not a public figure with an address Iowan hicks can figure out dude

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Wakko posted:

lmao meteorologist gets the same number of death threats as your average poster their first week online, shits self and leaves the state

just never check your email, you're now immune to death threats

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023


I want this apocalypse. The sexy one. You guys can have the fire and whale revenge thing.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Spaced God posted:

Sounds like they're the wrong whales

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

kinda long but wow leftist colon cancer
Rise in cancer among younger people worries and puzzles doctors

www.statnews.com posted:




When both the nurse and the doctor broke down in tears as they delivered the news, Chris Gosline knew that something difficult lay ahead.

It was 5 a.m., after a long night in the emergency department at Beverly Hospital, where he’d gone for help with severe pain in his shoulder. A scan had detected tumors on his liver. Turns out, there’s a nerve connection that makes shoulder pain a possible sign of liver disease.

Further testing over the next couple of weeks clarified the cause: Gosline had stage 4 colorectal cancer, which had spread to his liver.

Gosline is in his mid-40s, healthy, and fit. This wasn’t supposed to happen.

But it did, and it’s part of a worldwide trend. An array of cancers — colorectal chief among them — are striking people younger than 50 at higher rates than in previous decades, prompting new screening guidelines, new research, and growing concern.

Why is this happening?

That’s “the very hard question that none of us really know the answer to,” said Timothy Rebbeck, professor of cancer prevention at the Harvard T.H. Chan School Of Public Health.

Theories abound, although none has firm data behind it.

But experts share a belief that the rise in cancer among younger adults may be driven by changes in the way many of us have lived our lives over the past half century.

“People born in 1990 have over double the risk of getting colon cancer compared to those born in 1950. And quadruple the risk of getting rectal cancer,” said Dr. Kimmie Ng, director of the Young-Onset Colorectal Cancer Center at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute.

That means that at age 35, someone born in 1990 will face quadruple the risk of rectal cancer and double the risk of colon cancer when compared with the risk faced by a 35-year-old who was born in 1950.

Whether it’s sitting all day, consuming cured meats and sugar-sweetened drinks, taking antibiotics, or staying up late with the lights on, these practices — their effects probably interacting — seem to have had a profound impact on the internal workings of our bodies, disrupting metabolism and boosting inflammation.

Starting early in life and accumulating over the years, these behaviors can promote cancer in some people, in ways that are little understood.

A flurry of research is underway to get to the bottom of it. But one thing is clear: Genes alone are not to blame.

Despite the overall increase in cancer, the incidence of hereditary cancers likely hasn’t changed, said Dr. Andrew T. Chan, a gastroenterologist and chief of the Clinical and Translational Epidemiology Unit at Massachusetts General Hospital.

“The underlying genetic risk profile for cancer hasn’t shifted over the last several decades,” Chan said. “This points to the idea that cancer is very much also a disease of environment and lifestyle — it’s not just about your genes.”

But genes may play a role in how any individual responds to a given risk factor.

“The hypothesis is that there are susceptible people out there who are now being exposed to more risk factors or exposed to those risk factors earlier,” Rebbeck said.

Cancer remains about 20 times more common among older people than among the young. But doctors are concerned about the upward trend, as they increasingly diagnose malignancies once infrequently seen in anyone under 50.

Colorectal cancer has increased in people younger than 50 by about 2 percent a year since the 1990s. The rise is seen “in both men and women and in all races and ethnicities and around the world,” said Ng, of Dana-Farber.

Breast cancer has also shown an accelerating increase among women under 50, rising only slightly from 2000 to 2015 but increasing by 2 percent a year from 2015 to 2019.

Recognizing these trends, in 2021 the US Preventive Services Task Force lowered the recommended age to begin colon cancer screening to 45, and this year it proposed that breast cancer screening start at age 40 instead of 50.

Still, the trend isn’t limited to these two cancers. An analysis of data from 44 countries, published last fall, showed that more than a dozen cancers have increased among people under 50. The most common cancer types trending upward were breast, colorectal, uterine, kidney, and thyroid cancers among women, and colorectal, kidney, liver, prostate, and thyroid cancers among men (although increased screening may account for the last two). But other cancers have also increased in many countries, said Dr. Tomotaka Ugai, an instructor at Harvard Medical School who led the research.

Pancreatic cancer, an especially deadly disease with only a 10 percent survival rate, is also increasing among young people, said Dr. Brian M. Wolpin, director of the Gastrointestinal Cancer Center at Dana-Farber. According to National Cancer Institute data, pancreatic cancer among men younger than 50 increased 6.5 percent a year from 2017 to 2019; the yearly increase among women was 2.4 percent from 2000 to 2019. Pancreatic cancer is expected to strike 64,000 Americans this year, compared with 300,000 breast cancer cases and 153,000 colorectal cancers.

The behaviors that predispose people to pancreatic cancer at any age seem to be magnified in the young, Wolpin said. For example, while smoking will increase the risk of pancreatic cancer for anyone, that effect is especially strong at younger ages.

Obesity, as defined by BMI or body-mass index, remains the prime suspect in the search for the cause of early-onset cancers, especially for colorectal cancer, for several reasons. One is circumstantial: The average BMI rose in parallel with early-onset colorectal cancer, increasing at the same rate over the same time period.

The habits that can cause people to gain weight — lack of exercise, poor diet, sweetened beverages — also boost cancer risk.

But even independent of those factors, experts say, carrying excess fat by itself can fuel cancer by affecting hormones, insulin, and metabolism.

“The actions of obesity are to change hormones, to change inflammation,” Rebbeck said. “So obesity itself can be an outward sign of things going on in your body that are associated with cancer.”

Obesity may induce “a low grade inflammatory environment within the lining of the colon,” said Dr. Joel B. Mason, professor of medicine and nutrition at Tufts University. “And by doing so, it provokes certain changes in the cells that line the colon and that ultimately can lead precancerous and cancerous tumors to develop.”

Localities identified as economically disadvantaged bear a disproportionate burden of early-onset colorectal cancer and those same areas also have higher rates of obesity, Mason said. “Is it merely the lifestyle that’s associated with being economically or socially disadvantaged? Or is it specifically obesity itself? Or is it both these factors?”

Still, says Ng, not every study supports the notion that obesity leads to cancer in the young.

“And anecdotally, I can just tell you that so many of my young patients that we see are perfectly fit,” she added. “They’re marathon runners, they have healthy diets, they are not obese. And so it does go beyond just obesity.”

Chris Gosline is one of her patients.

When Ng told Gosline that he had stage 4 colorectal cancer a year ago, he was stunned. “I’m not overweight. I’ve been running my whole life. I eat well, I don’t smoke, I don’t drink heavily. I don’t do drugs of any sort,” he said. “You feel like you’re following all the rules , doing right by your body, then out of nowhere….”

Plus, going back generations his family has no history of cancer.

Gosline started a chemotherapy regimen that involves eight weeks of infusions followed by a four-week break. He’s also switched to a low-carbohydrate diet that limits sugar and red meat, and includes healthy oils like avocado.

A year after his diagnosis, Gosline, who is 45 and lives with his wife and son in Manchester-by-the-Sea, says he’s responding well to the chemo. The tumors in his colon and liver are not visible on scans. But no one has spoken of remission or told him he could stop the chemo. “No one knows exactly what the future holds,” he said.

Gosline has been able to continue working through treatment. He owns a company that operates solar farm battery storage units.

“I haven’t slowed down at all,” he said. “I keep pushing through.” When he’s undergoing chemo, he continues the infusions at home, carrying around a bag of medicine for 48 hours.

When an infusion is done, he goes running. “I’ll start a run and feel terrible. When I’m done with the run it feels very helpful. … I’m in the best shape of my life right now, very fit.” He runs four to five miles every other day with weekly longer runs.

“There’s a lot of us out there, come to find out,” Gosline said. “People living a healthy profile. Then, out of nowhere it’s, boom, you have cancer. … There’s something going on out there, some variable.”

Ng is among those investigating what those variables may be. “We do think that it may be other changes in the environment,” Ng said. “Is it increasing antibiotic use? Is it components of these ultra processed foods that have emerged with modern lifestyles, that is changing the microbiome?”

The community of microbes that live in the intestines, known as the gut microbiome, is critical to health, and plays a role in digestion and in stimulating the immune system. The microbiome can be disrupted by chronic stress, a poor diet, and antibiotics, among other things, and such disruption could be a factor in promoting cancer.

The role of obesity gets complicated when it comes to breast cancer. Women who were overweight as children have a lower risk of cancer throughout their lifetime, while after menopause obesity increases the risk, said Heather Eliassen, professor of nutrition and epidemiology at the Harvard T. H. Chan School of Public Health. After menopause when the ovaries stop producing estrogen, Eliassen said, fat tissue converts other hormones into estrogen, which fuels the growth of cancer cells.

Some of the increase in breast cancer results from changes in reproductive choices, especially having a first child later in life, as many women do these days, she added.

During pregnancy, breast tissue changes in ways that can protect against the mutations that lead to cancer — provided the pregnancy happens early in life. But when decades elapse between the start of menstruation and the first pregnancy, women accumulate damage to the DNA in their breast tissue. Then, pregnancy “can fuel the growth of cells that may be harboring mutations,” Eliassen said, leaving women at higher risk of breast cancer for five or 10 years after a pregnancy.

So women who bear their first child in their mid- to late 30s or early 40s are at greater risk than women who never become pregnant. And women who never have a pregnancy are at greater risk than those who have their first child in their 20s.

To make matters worse, Eliassen said, the type of breast tumors that form before menopause tend to be harder to treat and more aggressive.

This is true of many early-onset cancers, including in the colon: They tend to be more aggressive. That may be because they’re detected later — most young people don’t screen for cancer or suspect it as the cause of symptoms.

But there are also hints that early-onset cancers are biologically different from cancers later in life.

Chan, the Harvard epidemiologist, said his young adult patients who undergo colonoscopies to check on a gastrointestinal complaint often find they already have polyps, a precursor to colon cancer. “We’re finding polyps at 25 or 30 years old,” he said. “It’s clear that there is something different happening even before someone turns 25.”

Strangely, colon cancer tumors in young people typically form on the left side of the colon and in the rectum, Ng said, while no such pattern is seen in the old. No one knows why. And young people with metastatic colon cancer, even if they are more fit and receiving more intensive therapy, have survival rates no better than older people, according to recent research at Dana-Farber.

“The very youngest patients do seem to have a biologically different disease,” Ng said.

But experts caution that none of this bad news should leave people feeling helpless. While the roots of cancer may form early in life, Chan said, “I don’t think anyone should think there’s a point of no return.”

We already know a lot about the clear risks to health, Rebbeck said. Ample data show that certain things are bad for you — ultraprocessed foods, cigarettes, alcohol, sugar-sweetened beverages, lack of physical activity, inadequate sleep.

“Sleep, diet, exercise — those things are actionable,” Rebbeck said. “And so they are very important because you may be able to do something about them.”

Experts see reason to stay hopeful. Treatment for both colon cancer and breast cancer has improved and survival rates keep going up.

And there is lots of promising research underway. Dana-Farber’s Beyond CRC Project is enrolling early-onset colon cancer patients in a study that will gather detailed information on lifestyle and diet, analyze tumors, and collect blood and stool samples.

The National Cancer Institute and Cancer Research UK have listed early-onset cancer as one of the “grand challenges” for researchers and will award $25 million next year to a winning team.

“It is encouraging that so much attention is being paid to the early-onset cancer issue,” Rebbeck said. “There is scientific progress being made, and I hope we will have answers.”

brakeless
Apr 11, 2011

Always remember to stay hopeful. Even when the cannibal cult is breaking down your bunker door, there are common sense things you can do to help yourself.

RIP Syndrome
Feb 24, 2016

When the last human's gone, the market value of the entire universe will drop to zero. That's the real tragedy

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
When does it get bad enough that I get to be a subsistence farmer instead of an email robot?

SixteenShells
Sep 30, 2021

PostNouveau posted:

When does it get bad enough that I get to be a subsistence farmer instead of an email robot?
we'll have subsistence robots for that

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

SixteenShells posted:

we'll have subsistence robots for that

thin porridge yummy so good

Puppy Burner
Sep 9, 2011

PostNouveau posted:

When does it get bad enough that I get to be a subsistence farmer instead of an email robot?

maybe your children/grandchildren, sorry meatbag

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
I got alot of good jokes and puns ready to go for my rear end cancer death

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FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe

lmao we're totally screwed. anyone still in denial should be mocked publicly and mercilessly

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