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ENT theme belongs on an 80s sitcom sorry not sorry
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ENT theme literally started out as a placeholder but stayed there because Berman liked Dad-Rock.
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Jul 24, 2023 14:49
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Eighties ZomCom posted:ENT theme literally started out as a placeholder but stayed there because Berman liked Dad-Rock. Not quite - the ENT placeholder they did the visuals to was Beautiful Day. If you play them together you can see them line up. Berman just really wanted Faith of the Heart.
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Jul 24, 2023 15:12
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The DS9 theme song is good until they change it. Melancholy but dignified. It suits the show. That added beat, though… I like the video concept as well but it’s just a bit boring. It seems like they were aiming for awe, but they didn’t hit it. I guess I would contrast it to the famous opening shot of Alien: the Nostromo is essentially the same kind of concept as DS9, an immense space refinery with a few people living somewhere inside it. And boy, do you feel that after that long-rear end shot. DS9 like all of 90s Trek has practical problems with representing scale. the Ent-D only rarely feels like the city-sized behemoth it’s supposed to be in the fluff. DS9 is supposedly even bigger but feels like a one-stoplight town with a nice main street. You rarely get a sense of its scope—part of what I like about “Civil Defense” is that for once the station really does feel like an enormous piece of repurposed industrial equipment. The exterior model though…I’m sure they did their best and were primarily just trying to get a bunch of footage they could repeatedly use for establishing shots, but they don’t succeed in making it look big or impressive in the way the Nostromo is, or even the deuterium refinery from last week’s SNW.
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Jul 24, 2023 15:18
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DS9's on-screen visual scale was always hosed too. It wasn't actually meant to be much bigger than the Enterprise-D. In theory the D just barely fits at the upper dock. (And it's all skeletal and most of it is docking and ore.) But they kept making it look much bigger on-screen so ships fit and didn't overwhelm it. During season one DS9 has a population of about 300. By season three it's about 2000. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Jul 24, 2023 |
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Jul 24, 2023 15:21
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Voyager has the best intro and theme, followed closely by Strange New Worlds. Enterprise has a good intro, but a horrible theme. Lower Decks and Picard have ok intros and themes. Discovery, TOS, and DS9 have a good theme, but a horrible intro. TNG has the worse intro and theme of all of them.
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Jul 24, 2023 15:28
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I hosed this up and quoted my own post. Don't bother reading this. It's a waste of your time.
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Jul 24, 2023 15:28
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The Enterprise intro is actually extremely evocative of what the premise for the show was, but the main thing there is that the premise the show was designed for wasn't very good or very Star Trekky. It's about being a prequel and how the show is going to be about some big milestones in human history (rather than the typical exploring outwardly that defines the franchise). The more "modern" (and dated) musical style really denotes how the show is planning to be a lot more modern and down to earth and actiony (and coincidentally most of the decisions they made in that direction made the show extremely dated). The theme purposely broke from Trek tradition because the show itself is trying to buck a lot of Trek tradition. And then the faith bit I guess connects with how Archer does seem like the most sanctimonious captain, his actions justified both from the innate value of the Earth and from the fact that everything he does will in theory lead to the rest of the franchise. He's a Great Man explorer pushing the boundaries with his special innate strength of soul.
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Jul 24, 2023 16:13
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqMeYc5g1NI
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Jul 24, 2023 16:18
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SlothfulCobra posted:The Enterprise intro is actually extremely evocative of what the premise for the show was, but the main thing there is that the premise the show was designed for wasn't very good or very Star Trekky. Okay but the song sucks and is bad
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Jul 24, 2023 16:25
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I like Faith of the Heart, but if they just used Archer's theme for the intro it'd fit the rest of the series perfectly. And Archer's Theme is one of my fav bits of music from the series. Of the main themes as is though, gotta agree that Voyager's takes the prize. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsn2xVmVuGE
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Jul 24, 2023 16:31
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The opening visuals of DS9 would be more majestic if they didn't focus on an ugly fascist eyesore!
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Jul 24, 2023 16:40
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A.o.D. posted:The opening visuals of DS9 would be more majestic if they didn't focus on an ugly fascist eyesore! But we barely see the wormhole full of colonialist alien theocrats????
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Jul 24, 2023 16:53
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNAQ7gSATyU Looking at this, its surprising that the TNG intro is about the same length, I guess it has the Picard narration at the start and the credits proper don't begin until like a minute in. The DS9 intro does feel a bit like it's paced for the start to have a voice over maybe...
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Jul 24, 2023 17:14
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I suppose I have to plump for TOS just out of comfort and nostalgia, but the TNG intro is getting increasingly delightful to me. I just like watching the ship go whoosh, I REALLY like the big glory shot at the end of it rising up and blasting away. If I had a complaint about it, it's that ugly detuned timpani thumping in the theme. BING! BONG! And on the subject of themes, you all have favourites? While I love Goldsmith's TMP score and I think you'd have to be crazy not to, James Horner's stuff has my whole heart. I know he did a lot of recycling of earlier work and Search For Spock is mostly just "more of the same, with more gusto", but goddamn, there's a part near the five minute mark of "Stealing The Enterprise" that manages to better convey what Goldsmith did in his "Enterprise" theme in all of about ten seconds. The janitor watching the stolen ship take off and the music sells it like; "THIS IS A loving HUGE GIANT THING, HOLY poo poo WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT." But again, nostalgia. I think that shot is one of my earliest movie memories. That and the end of Superman III.
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Jul 24, 2023 17:37
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I don't have much of an opinion on Faith of the Heart because I don't think I've ever actually heard it. The Mirror Universe opening for Enterprise was pretty badass, though.
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Jul 24, 2023 17:44
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MuddyFunster posted:I just like watching the ship go whoosh, I REALLY like the big glory shot at the end of it rising up and blasting away. Best part is looking at the little people walking around.
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Jul 24, 2023 17:49
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Yes! Was genuinely delighted to learn in the S1 making of... that the little people moving about are just a simple hand drawn animation. It looks so natural, I'd assumed it was a filmed insert.
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Jul 24, 2023 17:54
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MuddyFunster posted:I suppose I have to plump for TOS just out of comfort and nostalgia, but the TNG intro is getting increasingly delightful to me. I just like watching the ship go whoosh, I REALLY like the big glory shot at the end of it rising up and blasting away. If I had a complaint about it, it's that ugly detuned timpani thumping in the theme. BING! BONG!
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Jul 24, 2023 18:21
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The best is TNG and its not even close with any other contender.
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Jul 24, 2023 18:26
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I don't have much of an opinion on Faith of the Heart because I don't think I've ever actually heard it. The Mirror Universe opening for Enterprise was pretty badass, though. It sounds like it was the lead single of a 90s Christian pop-rock band trying to make their break into mainstream radio. (it's also an insidious earworm)
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Jul 24, 2023 18:31
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MuddyFunster posted:I suppose I have to plump for TOS just out of comfort and nostalgia, but the TNG intro is getting increasingly delightful to me. I just like watching the ship go whoosh, I REALLY like the big glory shot at the end of it rising up and blasting away. If I had a complaint about it, it's that ugly detuned timpani thumping in the theme. BING! BONG! For general music in the shows, TNG really suffers once they lose Ron Jones. His scores like The Borg Engaged add so much and I hate the trend for music within an episode to fade away and not be important.
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Jul 24, 2023 18:40
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I guess they had to work deep sea into their exploration theme but the CGI submersible 35 seconds into the ENT intro looks like poo poo
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Jul 24, 2023 18:47
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MuddyFunster posted:I suppose I have to plump for TOS just out of comfort and nostalgia, but the TNG intro is getting increasingly delightful to me. I just like watching the ship go whoosh, I REALLY like the big glory shot at the end of it rising up and blasting away. If I had a complaint about it, it's that ugly detuned timpani thumping in the theme. BING! BONG! Generations is the most underrated score IMO, I assume because it's attached to a very unloved movie, but it was Dennis McCarthy's one shot at the big time and I think he really pulled it off. And since we were just talking about it, I feel obligated to once again post this allegedly unused version of the Enterprise intro with the Generations overture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfWgU1fj3nM TMP is probably my pick for the "best" score overall, in terms of just being like, an all-time great, legendary work of art. James Horner's scores do have a bit more pep though. ST6 also had a great one-off score by Cliff Eidelman. Really, the whole franchise has always been blessed with great music, especially on the film side. Regarding the TOS theme, it's nice, but its original arrangement is pretty hard to swallow. I like when it gets called-back in a few of the movies.
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Jul 24, 2023 18:48
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Nullsmack posted:ENT theme belongs on an 80s sitcom 3&4 it sounds like a 90s sitcom. Which is funny because s3 is a war crimes horrorshow so you'd have some dark cold open and then smash cut to Star Trek: Friends
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Jul 24, 2023 19:26
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Just watched “The First Duty” Love that scene when Picard just gets all up in Wesley’s rear end over covering up the Kolvoord Starburst. It’s a great combination of Picard doing the “I’m deeply disappointed in you, son” thing which then escalates into a very harshly-worded rebuke, one that’s delivered at maximum volume. Humbling and also extremely intimidating. Stewart was so great in this show.
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Jul 24, 2023 19:37
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On this week's Star Trek: Enterprise, everything sucks and Jonathan Archer's just committed his fourth war crime before breakfast. *cue strummy guitar* "I've got faaaaith of the heart..." 
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Jul 24, 2023 19:37
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Fighting Trousers posted:On this week's Star Trek: Enterprise, everything sucks and Jonathan Archer's just committed his fourth war crime before breakfast. The best one was S3’s Extinction, where the happy-go-lucky rendition of the theme was immediately preceded by an alien getting burned to death via a flamethrower while screaming horribly.
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Jul 24, 2023 19:42
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zoux posted:3&4 it sounds like a 90s sitcom. Which is funny because s3 is a war crimes horrorshow so you'd have some dark cold open and then smash cut to Star Trek: Friends There's a whole little youtube subgenre of redoing show credits to fit the theme song from Friends. The DS9 one is really good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59_Wzssx4iA
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Jul 24, 2023 19:46
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Tunicate posted:But we barely see the wormhole full of colonialist alien theocrats???? Okay, this set me spinning. First of, we don't see the Dominion for the first few seasons, so... But knowing that you refer to the prophets: calling them theocrats is so linear. The idea that they just did whatever for fun on Bajor and then DS9 happened is the least fun reading of the prophets being the prophets. What you really should have is the events of DS9 rippling back through time to shape Bajor's past, including the Sisko trying to get the prophets to understand. And that's the Nu-Trek I want: David Lynch or similar, preferably high as gently caress, telling the nonlinear story of Ben in the Wormhole. I look forward to the big oopsie that results in the caste system.
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Jul 24, 2023 20:11
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BonHair posted:I look forward to the big oopsie that results in the caste system. it's the bell riots
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Jul 24, 2023 21:25
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I once saw a video that used Life is a Highway for Enterprise and that worked surprisingly well.
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Jul 24, 2023 21:26
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Actual Satan posted:Voyager has the best intro and theme, followed closely by Strange New Worlds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGf7tgoiBrg Missed one.
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Jul 24, 2023 21:48
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Okay, I was complaining about the out of tune timpani in the TNG theme, but now I'm starting an episode and it's... Not. It all sounds pretty good actually! Did they redo the theme between the first two seasons? I'm irritated that it's taken me this long to notice.
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Jul 24, 2023 22:29
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FuturePastNow posted:I guess they had to work deep sea into their exploration theme but the CGI submersible 35 seconds into the ENT intro looks like poo poo lmao I think that was a real sub
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Jul 24, 2023 22:37
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BonHair posted:. I look forward to the big oopsie that results in the caste system. The wormhole aliens also have a caste system, and they exile the lower caste (the ones with red coloration) to the worst place they can imagine, Bajor.
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Jul 24, 2023 22:43
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Never saw it but that looks pretty dope, especially when they go into superwarp
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Jul 24, 2023 22:43
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Actual Satan posted:Never saw it but that looks pretty dope, especially when they go into superwarp You missed what was probably the best Trek show ever outside of Strange New Worlds before Paramount erased it for a tax kickback. Get a good VPN and pirate it because it's worth the watch.
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Jul 24, 2023 22:45
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Tighclops posted:lmao I think that was a real sub
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Nessus posted:Submarines tend to be very low-polygon in real life Its as if having all the cool angles and non-round shapes would make the pressure chamber not to withstand the pressure of the ocean.
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