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Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


SurgicalOntologist posted:

One of the last activities we did was some kind of assessment of how much we internalized the propaganda. Our guide read a series of statements and we had to self-organize into groups like "Strongly Disagree", "Somewhat Disagree", "Somewhat Agree", "Strongly agree". Some that I remember:
  • As a Jew, the IDF makes me feel safe no matter where I am in the world
  • The strongest expression of Judaism is to move to Israel
  • To be a good Jew you must marry Jewish

My wife and I were pretty much the only ones in "strongly disagree" for everything. The one about marriage especially was a hoot , no one could wrap their head around why we were together if it wasn't important us to marry Jewish. "You don't want to marry Jews then why are you getting married? :smuggo:"

As someone result of intermarriage, this post is wild to read about.

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Lord Lambeth posted:

As someone result of intermarriage, this post is wild to read about.

It's also got to be quite a trip for people married to the people who strongly believe this poo poo.

"No offense, honey, but if we didn't have to marry inside the faith, there's no way I'd put up with you!"

"Right back at you, sweetie!"

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
https://twitter.com/OrenZiv_/status/1646601084809498631?s=20 https://twitter.com/OrenZiv_/status/1647303524756209665?s=20 https://twitter.com/OrenZiv_/status/1649819343520256001?s=20

Extremely small compared to the judicial protests in total, but still pretty cool. It's surprising to me to see stuff like this in the heart of Tel Aviv; has there always been these sort of demonstrations and they just don't get much coverage, or is it a genuine change from the norm?

jiffypop45
Dec 30, 2011

In Israel what happens if you don't show up for your mandatory conscription in the IDF? Do you go to jail? Get fined? Get a harem?

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
I think they put you in jail, which is how we got this gem some years back:

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib
They can always claim to be ultra religious jerks and avoid jail time.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Madkal posted:

They can always claim to be ultra religious jerks and avoid jail time.
Didn’t that rule get changed

Nebalebadingdong
Jun 30, 2005

i made a video game.
why not give it a try!?
pretty sure they don't just take your word for it

emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011

by Athanatos
it's pretty easy to dodge the draft, barely an inconvenience, I just told them I love weed.

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
Oh yeah I forgot about the drugs route. Didn't you used to have to take a piss test or something? I used to be a big Infected Mushroom fan and I remember reading somewhere that's how Erez never had to serve.

emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011

by Athanatos
they had me piss in jars, yeah.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


I was just highly unmotivated(depressed) and out of shape, if it was today I would be highly motivated against joining.
Still out of shape.

Fumble
Sep 4, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 14 days!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyP0Cd-XiZM

loving warcriming scum.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Times of Israel published an explicit call for genocide:

https://twitter.com/rulesbasedworld/status/1659569661439090689?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007

Zionists are the most loathsome people on Earth.

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1659225208522260481

Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 16:22 on May 19, 2023

Nebalebadingdong
Jun 30, 2005

i made a video game.
why not give it a try!?

this rear end in a top hat lives in chicago? hopefully i never meet him

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

quote:

The author has a deep love for the Jewish people and the state of Israel. He was raised in the United States and has lived in Israel as an adult. He currently resides in the diaspora, in Chicago, IL.

lol the most insane genociders are too scared to even live there

Lum_
Jun 5, 2006
wonder if he left to avoid idf service

Rushputin
Jul 19, 2007
Intense, but quick to finish
If you're wondering how Germany's culture of "never again" is going: Berlin has banned every single Nakba event preemptively, including the ones organised by Jewish groups, and this has now been confirmed by courts with no further chance of appeal.

The official police argument basically boils down to "there will be lots of young Turks and Arabs there who are a naturally violent people" and I'm not paraphrasing much there.

It's increasingly literally illegal to acknowledge fascism and ethnic cleansing. Great values we've got there.

https://www.972mag.com/palestinians-nakba-day-germany/

Rushputin
Jul 19, 2007
Intense, but quick to finish
Update:

https://twitter.com/hahauenstein/status/1659941890786045953?s=20

And a major Berlin newspaper is spinning it as evil antisemites "disturbing a Jewish speech" while illustrating the article with a picture of a Jewish artists being taken away by the pigs.

Yawgmoft
Nov 15, 2004
Unfortunate evidence that the right is not entirely wrong when they say "but who will decide what is hate speech and what speech is banned", even if they are personally arguing in bad faith.

Maera Sior
Jan 5, 2012

Is there anyone who can speak to what it feels like on the ground there? Or what might come next? I'm trying to keep an eye on things but it really feels like all the articles (at least the ones written by the usual suspects) are fairly limited in scope.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
No idea, don't rally have the bandwidth to follow it closely right now. But seems like there's going to be a pretty big general strike over Bibi's poo poo: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/374576

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



The Knesset passed the first ‘reform’ to the Israeli Supreme Court’s authority this morning

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-judicial-reforms-vote-intl/index.html

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


I should donate more money to the Movement for Quality Government- they are doing a lot.

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

By popular demand posted:

I should donate more money to the Movement for Quality Government- they are doing a lot.

ya they seem great
https://en.mqg.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/mqg-constituton-2023.pdf

quote:

Article One: Fundamental Principles
1. The Nature of the State
(a) Israel is a Jewish democratic state.

quote:

5. Return
(a) The State of Israel shall encourage the ingathering of Jewish exiles.

quote:

6. The State Capital
(a) The complete and united Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

quote:

8. Language
(a) Hebrew is the state language.
(b) Arabic is afforded a special status in the state; regulation of the use of Arabic in
state institutions or before them shall be prescribed by law.


hey this seems pretty good at least:

quote:

Article Two: Basic Human Rights
15. Basic Human Rights
An individual's basic human rights in Israel are based on recognition of the value of a
human being, the sanctity of his life and the fact that he is a free person, and they shall
be upheld in the spirit of the Constitution's principles and in the spirit of the principles
in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel.
oh wait

quote:

(b) The rights stated in this Article shall only be violated by a law that corresponds with
the values of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state





https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fen.mqg.org.il+palestine
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fen.mqg.org.il+palestinian

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


:doh: That's what I get for not RTFM.

kiminewt
Feb 1, 2022

Those are (almost?) verbatim current Israeli basic law. I imagine they just want to codify it onto a constitution?

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
They are an ngo that wants to enshrine racial apartheid into the israeli constitution.

I recommend not giving them money

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


I'll give money to B'zelem instead.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!




Barely coherent ramblings about the threats of war and violence, including dreams and vaguely defined personal anecdotes yet curiously unsigned.
The highlighted sections keep repeating the need for women to 'dress modestly' for fear of petty divine retribution.

Note that the text is printed in the cursive script to resemble a handwritten letter but as I mentioned they couldn't even bother to sign it.

Good that someone has their priorities straight, you ladies better dress up cause God's a petty tyrant.
:nallears:

emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011

by Athanatos
So, well. crazy poo poo is happening right now -

https://twitter.com/sentdefender?t=4RiBEh5OP60w71bInhIBsA&s=08

e; only linking that account cause it seems to update frequently with videos, I'm not sure if any of the information they're reporting is correct, what's going on in Sderot is unprecedented and so far the media is not confirming reports of casualties or hostages.

emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Oct 7, 2023

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Rockets have made it as far as Jerusalem, for the first time ever.
I fear the IDF retaliation will be bloodier than ever.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

emanresu tnuocca posted:

So, well. crazy poo poo is happening right now -

https://twitter.com/sentdefender?t=4RiBEh5OP60w71bInhIBsA&s=08

e; only linking that account cause it seems to update frequently with videos, I'm not sure if any of the information they're reporting is correct, what's going on in Sderot is unprecedented and so far the media is not confirming reports of casualties or hostages.
:stare: it's hard to understand how Israel could have had such an extreme intelligence and security failure

Isn't the border heavily controlled?

DelilahFlowers
Jan 10, 2020

emanresu tnuocca posted:

So, well. crazy poo poo is happening right now -

https://twitter.com/sentdefender?t=4RiBEh5OP60w71bInhIBsA&s=08

e; only linking that account cause it seems to update frequently with videos, I'm not sure if any of the information they're reporting is correct, what's going on in Sderot is unprecedented and so far the media is not confirming reports of casualties or hostages.

Maybe not

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1710535108304740616?t=maA_qBBYD5JEis-DQWfaYw&s=19

Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012


"Finally, they've given me an excuse to let my bigotry out in public"

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


some updates:

smaller airports are closed down, not the big one.
A popular demonstration scheduled for today cancelled.
Political-security cabinet to assemble in 13:00 (it is now 9:19) , spoiler: they'll recommend more dead Palestinians.

E: everyone is shocked that Jerusalem itself is successfully targeted, will this be our Tet Offensive and turn the public against the occupation strategy ? Probably not.

By popular demand fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Oct 7, 2023

emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011

by Athanatos
reports are completely chaotic, the fact that official sources are pretty much keeping silent suggests to me that the reports of hostages and significant casualties are probably not baseless. this seems like a major win for hamas.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
I can only imagine the conspiracy theories that will start swirling from this.

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Hamelekim
Feb 25, 2006

And another thing... if global warming is real. How come it's so damn cold?
Ramrod XTreme

emanresu tnuocca posted:

reports are completely chaotic, the fact that official sources are pretty much keeping silent suggests to me that the reports of hostages and significant casualties are probably not baseless. this seems like a major win for hamas.

Videos and photos show groups of terrorists in trucks, some with hostages, also dead Israeli citizens in the streets.

Seems like a very good excuse for an extremist Israeli government to go all out with violent retribution….

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