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fatherboxx posted:Yeah, Prigozhin went big on pr for his boys because of post-Blackwater tacticool media image and now the state catches up believing that calling a bunch of people unfit for military and mallcops "military company" gonna turn them into FOXHOUND Samovar posted:Sad, sad lol.
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Jul 26, 2023 00:09
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Flavahbeast posted:No way they'd be around for 30 years, they were both pretty old, Saddam was 69 years old. Gaddafi was also 69 years old. Huh Putin turned 70 in October so we missed a chance for a three in a row.
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Jul 26, 2023 00:20
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Libya was going on full on civil war before the west got involved and the the arab league was completely onboard with intervention. The state was on the verge of failure and was massacring it's own civilians. No it wasnt a good outcome, but the root cause was Gaddafi being a piece of poo poo... Just like Putin. Who knows how it would have turned out if no-one intervened - but Im going to guess it would have ended up something like Bucha with gratuitious murder and torture.
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Jul 26, 2023 00:21
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 is so goodPigma_Micron posted:Oh god, I'm going to stretch this metaphor way too far... I blame the employee for being dumb enough to end up in a metaphor in the first place.
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Jul 26, 2023 00:23
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Tai posted:Libya and Iraq were massive fucks up and people were too quick to go guns blazing without trying other methods steinrokkan posted:Yes and it's crazy to see people who have apparently not read the news since 2004. So what other methods do you think should have been tried? Sanctions? Embargo? What are your ideas for alternatives? The libyan civil war was already kicking off when the west intervened; what choices were left? Putin was so shook by what happened to Gaddhafi because he knew that's what would be waiting for him if the conditions were right enough. HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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Jul 26, 2023 00:50
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As with most dictators, you either get even worse children, or you get civil war once they die from whatever. We don't, in fact, have to hand it to Gaddafi
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Jul 26, 2023 00:51
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I've been out all loving afternoon/night. Oh that's good.
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Jul 26, 2023 01:01
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HonorableTB posted:So what other methods do you think should have been tried? Sanctions? Embargo? What are your ideas for alternatives? The libyan civil war was already kicking off when the west intervened; what choices were left? Putin was so shook by what happened to Gaddhafi because he knew that's what would be waiting for him if the conditions were right enough. What would you would have done?
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Jul 26, 2023 01:17
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A united front of democratically-minded anti-corruption sentiment, a pressure program to demand Gaddafi step down, followed by top-to-bottom transition into a parliamentary republic and a nationwide campaign of humanism and support? I guess that wasn't in the cards. Maybe just some more cool underground tubes? That'd be neat I guess.
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Jul 26, 2023 01:21
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Tai posted:What would you would have done? I asked you first. If you're going to criticize then bring your own ideas. For me, I would've taken out Gaddafi and immediately landed stabilizing troops from either NATO or the UN (peacekeepers) to prevent a power vacuum while setting up a democratic political system. Would it work? I dunno. But it would've at least prevented a years-long civil war and it might have a stable government now instead of still using a provisional system and hell, may have even given strength to the remainder of the Arab Spring since countries would have a decent assurance that they would have new friends if they overthrew their oppressive governments. HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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Jul 26, 2023 01:22
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HonorableTB posted:I asked you first. If you're going to criticize then bring your own ideas. So Occupation of Libya to go along with the Occupation of Iraq and the Occupation of Afghanistan. I suppose if we do enough occupations we'll eventually have a sample size large enough to discern patterns in our failures in nation building.
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Jul 26, 2023 01:31
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HonorableTB posted:https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1683868781372747778?s=20 i'll take the direct sewerslide to sochi, thanks. one-way, i won't be returning
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Jul 26, 2023 01:40
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I wonder if putin has a spider hole ready
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Jul 26, 2023 01:45
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Owling Howl posted:So Occupation of Libya to go along with the Occupation of Iraq and the Occupation of Afghanistan. It's a better alternative than allowing it to become what it is today, but this is getting increasingly offtopic
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Jul 26, 2023 01:46
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TEMPLE GRANDIN OS posted:I wonder if putin has a spider hole ready he's just gonna squeeze in right next to lenin hide in plain sight
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Jul 26, 2023 01:46
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Toxic Mental posted:As with most dictators, you either get even worse children, or you get civil war once they die from whatever. Gaddafi was specifically the kind of cult-of-personality dictator who ruled for decades by successfully playing factions against each other, designating no clear successor, building no independent institutions, and building tensions that only he could control so that a stable Libya without him as the linchpin holding it together was unthinkable. If he'd died in bed rather than been Mussolinied there was still an excellent chance of the whole country exploding into lawlessness without him, and that was entirely by intent because every day he went without assassination was a day he got to live in glory, and if it all blew up when he died fat and happy he wouldn't be there to care. And as said, he was 69. That doesn't absolve anyone else of their role in shaking the bomb or failing to clean up the mess, but let's not forget the man who made building it and lighting the fuse his life's work. There's a reason that kind of autocracy is awful independent of the ideology behind it.
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Jul 26, 2023 01:58
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Killer robot posted:Putin was specifically the kind of cult-of-personality dictator who ruled for decades by successfully playing factions against each other, designating no clear successor, building no independent institutions, and building tensions that only he could control so that a stable Russia without him as the linchpin holding it together was unthinkable. If he'd died in bed rather than been Mussolinied there was still an excellent chance of the whole country exploding into lawlessness without him, and that was entirely by intent because every day he went without assassination was a day he got to live in glory, and if it all blew up when he died fat and happy he wouldn't be there to care. And as said, he was 70.
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Jul 26, 2023 02:02
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Keep in mind Gaddafi was a literal terrorist that ordered the bombing of a civilian airliner and got away with it clean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103?wprov=sfla1
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Jul 26, 2023 02:02
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HonorableTB posted:Keep in mind Gaddafi was a literal terrorist that ordered the bombing of a civilian airliner and got away with it clean Yeah, Bucha know, he did some good. (So the intent is clear, I'm making it clear "Oh but he did some good" is a really dumb argument when he was so actively evil.) Kchama fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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Jul 26, 2023 02:05
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HonorableTB posted:got away with it clean He had a knife shoved up his rear end, op
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Jul 26, 2023 02:16
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Mokotow posted:He had a knife shoved up his rear end, op He did not have a knife shoved up his rear end for blowing up an airliner in 1988.
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Jul 26, 2023 02:32
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Do we truly know what the knife guy had in mind tho
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Jul 26, 2023 02:36
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Mokotow posted:He had a knife shoved up his rear end, op First time I saw that was Tosh.O on Comedy Central. From blowing up a bomber to getting mocked for having a knife up your butt on a comedy channel.
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Jul 26, 2023 02:36
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Disco Pope posted:Just thinking about how with Russia's use of the letter Z and the recent Twitter rebrand, the weird letters in the alphabet are really having a poo poo time of it right now. Thinking of poor Y right now. really? y?
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Jul 26, 2023 02:41
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I thought it was a piece of rebar that went up the pooper
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Jul 26, 2023 02:43
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The impression I've gotten is that leaving Gaddafi in power would have just led to an atrocious massacre, followed by basically the exact same civil war once he inevitably lost power through other means. The exact same dynamic we see playing out now where Gulf rivals are background different horses work would be playing out. Intervening to stop the immediate massacre was the right decision. I'd be curious what alternatives folks would propose, because those who cite the current civil war tend not to have a solution beyond letting Gaddafi persist. To bring it back to Ukraine: whether it's Gaddafi murdering Libyans, Putin killing Ukrainians, or Erdogan and Salman killing Libyans, it's important to stop paying footsy with authoritarian scum.
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Jul 26, 2023 03:02
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HonorableTB posted:You don't get people hating you enough to shove a knife up your rear end unless you did something to deserve it, bar none. Nah. Some people just enjoy sticking knives up other people's asses, as wretched as that is. Saying he earned it is circular logic to justify it. He got a knife up the rear end because he had to have deserved a knife up the rear end, ergo, anyone with a knife up their rear end deserved it because they must have done something to deserve it.
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Jul 26, 2023 03:10
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This is a dumb derail because what's happened has happened so "What If"ing it is meaningless. It's more interesting to talk about how to prevent these things going forward. If you want to talk about that directly I recommend taking it to the Middle East thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3839774 So let's  and get back to being cringe about Ukraine
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Jul 26, 2023 03:10
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I'm still thinking about raw sewage leaking into the tap water in Moscow
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Jul 26, 2023 03:13
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Jul 26, 2023 03:19
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Add in the “ladies’ braps” and the brapping woman and you’ve got OP quality material
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Jul 26, 2023 03:25
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Intervention in Libya was probably good. Kinda-sorta pulling one over on the UNSC to do so was probably not great. The followup was most assuredly awful. These have been deep thoughts from SRQ.
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Jul 26, 2023 03:26
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HonorableTB posted:https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1683868781372747778?s=20 Airlines are getting BAD, even in the US. Repairs and mantainance are more frequently being delegated to 3rd party contractors rather than in-house mechanics. These cheaper mechanics SUCK, btw. Constantly messing up jobs, misaligned holes for rivets and they like, fudging paperwork, etc. Lots of shortcuts. How do I know this? My dad worked for united airlines for over 30 years as a mechanic. At some point, they started getting contracted maintainance for their plains in Texas and Alabama where labor is cheaper and regulation is more lax. All plains still get double checked in-house, and which almost always results in having to redo the work. I can only imagine how bad it is for poorer countries.... I helped make this! See mom I achieved something!!!
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Jul 26, 2023 03:30
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Close, but there's an outhouse on top of the hole.
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Jul 26, 2023 03:38
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Where is the horse cum?
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Jul 26, 2023 03:38
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Where is the horse cum?
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Jul 26, 2023 03:46
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Mokotow posted:Do we truly know what the knife guy had in mind tho No, just what he had in butt
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Jul 26, 2023 03:49
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Jul 26, 2023 04:09
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Kchama posted:Yeah, Bucha know, he did some good. Request to make the official spelling of that word "butchya". I got real confused about Gadaffi in Bucha
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Jul 26, 2023 04:26
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Vaginaface posted:Request to make the official spelling of that word "butchya". I got real confused about Gadaffi in Bucha I was actually spelling it like that just to give a jab about Gaddafi also being a horrible warcrimer in a similar vein.
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