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I agree that Zemeckis has a steep decline in later years after Cast Away, but I don't think it matches with Burton. Polar Express was at least a major technical innovation, even if the technology's impact is debatable. Beowulf, Flight, and even Marwen have some defenders, and I think the consensus of Allied is that it's fine (I liked it), and all of those are pretty different from each other in terms of plot, tone, and actors. It's really just his last two movies that are unambiguous shits. Contrast that to Burton where for the last fifteen or twenty years it feels like he's put out pretty much the exact same sort of movie with the exact same actors and exact same atmosphere and tone, and nothing really innovative or even unique among them. Plus he propped up Depp more than arguably anyone else and also pioneered the Disney live action remake trend, which are ethically and creatively worse than anything Zemeckis is guilty of IMO.
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Jul 26, 2023 15:07
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They're probably expecting the same success as their Halloween series but didn't the third one bomb? EDIT: Didn't bomb but made like $40 million less than Kills despite being a year later in the pandemic.
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Jul 26, 2023 15:15
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https://apnews.com/article/kevin-spacey-sexual-assault-trial-london-jury-deliberations-85cb3957c60de1a7b1e03a26dc278d95 You think a guy like that comes this close to getting caught, and sticks his head out? After that... my guess is you'll never hear from him again.
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Jul 26, 2023 15:46
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Burton’s Dumbo is actually pretty decent, as was The Jungle Book (Not Burton). It’s absolutely a bad trend now with too much momentum behind it but those two are alright. Supposedly they were going to make a sequel of the latter but it’s gone quiet. If they ever get around to it Neel Sethi will probably be 30 by then.
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Jul 26, 2023 16:32
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Chairman Capone posted:I agree that Zemeckis has a steep decline in later years after Cast Away, but I don't think it matches with Burton. I think Burtons biggest problem is that his best movie (Ed Wood) flopped and his worst movie (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OwzAOV7uxw0) made like eleventy billion dollars, so now hes stuck like this forever
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Jul 26, 2023 17:41
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Big Eyes was pretty well regarded right? It's based on a true story about Walter Keane the "artist" being a fraud. No Johnny Depp or Helena Bonham Carter or any garish CG to be found.
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Sourdough Sam posted:Big Eyes was pretty well regarded right? It's based on a true story about Walter Keane the "artist" being a fraud. No Johnny Depp or Helena Bonham Carter or any garish CG to be found. I liked it alright but I remember a lot of people trashing it. People, maybe correctly, criticized it because it focused on the dude being a fraud and not Margaret Keane. I get what they were saying but also it’s a movie and there needs to be some conflict, I think most people prefer biopics that center around one interesting event in someone’s life to a filmed bullet point list of accomplishments.
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Big Fish is the best movie he has made since the 90s Sweeney Todd was fine but nothing special
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FlamingLiberal posted:Big Fish is the best movie he has made since the 90s Yeah, big fish is so good I keep forgetting he made it. I was a big Sweeney Todd fan at the time but it's mostly because I liked the source material and it's an at least competent adaptation, but it's dragged down by just how tired his style feels after the previously mentioned Alice film. Yeesh, that one's so much darker than I remember. Like literally dark.
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Jul 26, 2023 18:32
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Sometimes it seems like he forgets what people want to see while watching a movie. The whole Mad Hatter dance is something I can't imagine anyone ever enjoying, it's on par with the McDonald's dance scene from Mac & Me.
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Jul 26, 2023 18:33
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Jack B Nimble posted:Yeah, big fish is so good I keep forgetting he made it.
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Jul 26, 2023 18:35
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Sometimes it seems like he forgets what people want to see while watching a movie. The whole Mad Hatter dance is something I can't imagine anyone ever enjoying, it's on par with the McDonald's dance scene from Mac & Me. Nothing sums up how much the machine has changed since that era like Disney trying to copyright strike every meme about that scene out of existence as opposed to these days where they'd release it as a shitpost template for cheap marketing
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Jul 26, 2023 18:35
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Sometimes it seems like he forgets what people want to see while watching a movie. The whole Mad Hatter dance is something I can't imagine anyone ever enjoying, it's on par with the McDonald's dance scene from Mac & Me. Holy poo poo, I wish you hadn't reminded me of that. They even tease and hype it up all through the movie
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Yup, they talk about how the Mad Hatter hasn’t done “the fudderwhacken” for years, and when he’s finally happy enough to do it, it’s just a dance that, even by terrible dancing-as-a-punchline jokes/payoffs are, is loving awful to look at.
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Jul 26, 2023 18:45
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The woman playing Alice looks like she's done with this poo poo throughout the entire scene.
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Jul 26, 2023 18:47
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To say nothing about how Alice in Wonderland ends with Alice having a big girlboss moment by deciding to expand trade to China, which if you are familiar with the history of the period means that she's basically going to start the Opium Wars. God I loving hated that movie. I saw it with a friend and when it was over we literally looked at each other and said "what the gently caress was THAT?"
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Jul 26, 2023 18:54
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Yup, they talk about how the Mad Hatter hasn’t done “the fudderwhacken” for years, and when he’s finally happy enough to do it, it’s just a dance that, even by terrible dancing-as-a-punchline jokes/payoffs are, is loving awful to look at. This can't be real Oh my god
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Jul 26, 2023 18:56
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I think it was either the first or the sequel that came out during the 3D movies fad and it's just full of scenes like a dragon flying through hoops towards the screen like it's Superman 64
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Jul 26, 2023 18:57
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mycot posted:This can't be real Well I wasn't sure if anything would replace the Pan "smells like teen spirit" scene as something that just randomly pops into my head based on how incredibly dumb it was but this might do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQBGmBOhQEE
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B-Rock452 posted:Well I wasn't sure if anything would replace the Pan "smells like teen spirit" scene as something that just randomly pops into my head based on how incredibly dumb it was but this might do it I love this dumb scene so much.
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I’m still incredulous that the Alice sequel exists and wonder if there’s anything nearly as memorably stupid in it
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Jul 26, 2023 21:53
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One of the worst things about the Fudderwacken is that the dance was performed by the dancer behind of the original hyper-viral videos, which I loved for many years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUz4OLQi_uw Then they took him and costumed him and edited around him and obscured him with CGI to the extent that you can't even appreciate the insane ways he moves and it all just looks like utter trash
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CelticPredator posted:John Carpenter He sais he'd be willing to come out of retirement to do a Dead Space movie.
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Jul 26, 2023 22:42
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John Carpenter is currently directing a TV series from his couch. I doubt it'll be any good, but I'll watch it regardless.
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feedmyleg posted:John Carpenter is currently directing a TV series from his couch. I doubt it'll be any good, but I'll watch it regardless. I'm not reading any details of the logistics on how this is being done, I'm just assuming they're using one of those iPad on wheels setups while JC is ripping bong hits from his couch and yelling action.
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Maxwell Lord posted:John McTiernan went from making Predator and Die Hard and The Hunt for Red October to serving time for trying to spy on his producer for Rollerball. Man his wiki article is a wild ride. The dude basically pulled a year long stint in jail out of the jaws of leniency.
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MacheteZombie posted:I'm not reading any details of the logistics on how this is being done, I'm just assuming they're using one of those iPad on wheels setups while JC is ripping bong hits from his couch and yelling action. That’s not much different from how a lot of directors do it lol
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https://twitter.com/thr/status/1684257137571004429?s=46&t=lbKxPpxJyMeDN0i-nFAg4A Would have been embarrassing otherwise
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AceOfFlames posted:To say nothing about how Alice in Wonderland ends with Alice having a big girlboss moment by deciding to expand trade to China, which if you are familiar with the history of the period means that she's basically going to start the Opium Wars. Somehow that's at least on brand lol
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And now I'm picturing a maship with Dune and it works bizarrely well, you even have the giant irreverent worm doing drugs
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Mia Wasikowska ahould be in more things despite Alice in The Wonderland.
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feedmyleg posted:John Carpenter is currently directing a TV series from his couch. I doubt it'll be any good, but I'll watch it regardless. Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goVfYvVx5F8 I have no idea to what extent he's involved with this, maybe he just nodded and extended his hands to receive a stack of currency.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Taika’s issue seems more like a combination of oversaturation and spreading himself too thin between dozens of projects than any real decline in talent. Give him a few years for his various Disney projects to stall out and return to mid-budget comedies and he’ll be fine. Ghost of Mars is painful bc you can see it has some good ideas and actors but the budget only allows for the same stretch of two low slung bungalows and basements to stand in for Mars. You can see how how badly it hosed it up every second you're watching it.
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Shageletic posted:Ghost of Mars is painful bc you can see it has some good ideas and actors but the budget only allows for the same stretch of two low slung bungalows and basements to stand in for Mars. You can see how how badly it hosed it up every second you're watching it. Yeah I really hate it for that purpose, what could have been.  Escape from LA is like, stupid but we watched it again recently and yeah it's bad overall but wasn't quite as bad as I remember, enjoyed it overall. The long shot early on where Snake goes from vehicle to vehicle efficiently taking out everyone was pretty cool too.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Village of the Damned is a forgettable gun-for-hire job, Escape from LA is dogshit that he clearly just made so he and Kurt could hang out and get paid, and Vampires is bad but it’s mostly fun bad. Ghosts of Mars is back to dogshit and then he takes almost a decade off to do two episodes of Masters of Horror and The Ward, all of which are mediocre and forgettable.
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Escape from LA is better than Escape from NY.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Escape from LA is better than Escape from NY. The hottest take I've seen in a while
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