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ulvir posted:seems like it’ll work out nicely, they’ve got one of the few non-dipshits as a current party leader, and nobody wants to challenge her on it Is rødt full of dipshits?
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Mordekai posted:Is rødt full of dipshits? Most top level party functionaries of most political parties got there by being dipshits in one way or another. Even in the parties that are less awful policy-wise.
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Mordekai posted:Is rødt full of dipshits? all the old hangovers from before RV, Siavash Mobasheri, Mimir Kristjansson …
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Jul 26, 2023 23:01
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I don’t know the latter two personally, this is just based on whatever they say publicly and on social media
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kristjansson is basically a clever and articulate guy who is also a massive gently caress-up. that is the key to his entire political persona and why he's popular: he is a demonstration that you can, in fact, be an rear end in a top hat and a mean drunk etc and be on the left. idk what torstein dahle ever did to ulvir, though. my impression is that ulvir is just a couple of steps to the right of where rødt's left wing is, and interprets this as those people being morally flawed for some reason
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V. Illych L. posted:kristjansson is basically a clever and articulate guy who is also a massive gently caress-up. that is the key to his entire political persona and why he's popular: he is a demonstration that you can, in fact, be an rear end in a top hat and a mean drunk etc and be on the left. Somewhat anecdotally, Kristjansson is popular among non-Rødt voters because he's all that and capable of making self-deprecating jokes about it. I've discussed politics with people who'd never vote Rødt in their lives, and they'd still grudgingly admit that Mimir's likeable enough. He's also made it very clear that he's aware that he's too big a gently caress-up to ever be a leader of the party, though. Mobasheri probably wants the job, but Martinussen's in it, and she's committed to continuing the line that Moxnes began - no surprise, since she co-wrote it - and while I don't think she wanted to get the job in this way, I don't see her just quitting now that she has it.
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V. Illych L. posted:yeah it's an insanely bone-headed move. it is worth noting that Rødt has a fairly significant party tax which cuts his wage as a parliamentarian from about a million kroner to around 600 000, but he can still afford sunglasses.
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probably just got off on it or wanted to see if he would
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to be clear, Kristjansson is probably the one prominent politician that takes himself the least seriously of all, and I respect that about him, more politicians could do well to take after him in that regard. I'm mostly a bit nonplussed with how he was a key player in making rødt back down on the end-date for oil, and at the same time being opposed to more wind power. many of the old guards are all knee-deep in steigan.no, so they suck on that perspective, and mobasheri has publicly opposed the more "mature" direction Rødt took, especially in oslo, and seemingly wants to drag it back to becoming an irrelevance just for the sake of being opposed to everything and stirring conflict rather than solutions in the city parliament
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ulvir posted:mobasheri has publicly opposed the more "mature" direction Rødt took, especially in oslo, and seemingly wants to drag it back to becoming an irrelevance just for the sake of being opposed to everything and stirring conflict rather than solutions in the city parliament Sounds good. He has my vote.
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Conflict for conflicts sake is definitely something that isn't unique to fash.
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Alhazred posted:Rødt's own webside says that as parliamentarian leader he almost made 850 000 after paying party tax. you're right! this is substantially more disappointing. back in the old days they'd just take everything above "industrial worker" wage, but this has clearly changed in several ways without them trumpeting it. a pity. thanks for the update. ulvir posted:to be clear, Kristjansson is probably the one prominent politician that takes himself the least seriously of all, and I respect that about him, more politicians could do well to take after him in that regard. I'm mostly a bit nonplussed with how he was a key player in making rødt back down on the end-date for oil, and at the same time being opposed to more wind power. many of the old guards are all knee-deep in steigan.no, so they suck on that perspective, and mobasheri has publicly opposed the more "mature" direction Rødt took, especially in oslo, and seemingly wants to drag it back to becoming an irrelevance just for the sake of being opposed to everything and stirring conflict rather than solutions in the city parliament kristjansson is from rogaland and has looked at the stats which say that ~70% of norwegian exports are petroleum industry-related - rødt's old policy of immediate shut-down was not serious and was costing the party voters along the coast, especially in kristjansson's own orbit. the wind power thing is more complicated, but essentially the idea is that norway's self-sufficient in terms of power production and that what we need is a non-commoditised way of organising said production. this has a somewhat utopian bend to it, but wind power - especially the form it's been taking in norway under the present regime - does have some real trade-offs, as seen in e.g. the Fosen affair. mobasheri's big thing has been not pushing for joining oslo's byråd. afaik he's in favour of something like the arrangement rødt in oslo has had for eight years (semi-formalised cooperation with the centre-left byråd without joining it, see e.g. https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/politikk/i/l3eqwG/roedt-aapner-doeren-for-aa-bli-en-del-av-byraadet-i-oslo-etter-valget), but with a more aggressive posture than evenrud had. mobasheri's big sin was calling jens stoltenberg a war criminal over libya during the arms debate, which made him basically a "red-brown" and a nutcase because the arms debate was incredibly fraught. he's also expressed admiration for more openly communist parties like the PTB or the KPÖ, and is a bit of an ideologue. i don't know the guy or really anyone who's active in oslo rødt, so i can't speak to him personally, but he strikes me as a fairly mediocre politican but a true-believer type. he's probably very annoying, but he's also been the object of something of a smear job the big dividing line in rødt between the "mature" real-politic types like moxnes and the ideologues of the mobasheri kind is fairly deep and depends on how much promise one sees in the power of a small parliamentarian delegation in a late-bourgeois system. moxnes thinks that rødt's niche in parliament can make a practical difference; mobasheri thinks that rødt should be working to shift the boundaries of what is acceptable to say, because the practical difference wrought by the party's elected officials is realistically relatively small. both certainly agree that there must be an element of compromise, but disagree on where that compromise should lie. moxnes tried to remove even the desultory reference to marx and "communism" which is in the party's current statement of principle; someone like mobasheri will say that part of the point of the whole endeavour is to make referring to marx acceptable in the mainstream.
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I spent probably an hour or two talking to mobasheri at a wedding, I liked him quite a lot, there’s real anger in his eyes when he talks about politics and he doesn’t mince words like the rest of the shitlibs he’d probably be real bad at the moxnes approach of pretending half the party program doesn’t exist when making carefully curated long form facebook posts btw if anyone in Oslo wants to buy a print of moxnes with sunglasses there’s a numbered collection being sold at The Broker for 1199kr, they’re on display in the back
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I had a fika with göran Greider once and he was a joy to talk to altho I have no idea how I got into that situation
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It is intresting how Kristjanson appeals to a wide range of voters. Tbh it seems like low hanging fruit, being able to discuss his own politics and hypocrisies (f.ex. wrt the royal house). It generates tons of goodwill it seems.
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Charles Ingalls posted:I spent probably an hour or two talking to mobasheri at a wedding, I liked him quite a lot, there’s real anger in his eyes when he talks about politics and he doesn’t mince words like the rest of the shitlibs Also his opponent in Oslo turned out to be a career politician who believed so little in Rødts values she didn't even go to SV, but AP.
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Party In My Diapee posted:Also his opponent in Oslo turned out to be a career politician who believed so little in Rødts values she didn't even go to SV, but AP. rødt-to-ap is not an unheard-of transition. e.g. marte mjøs persen used to be in RV back in the day. again, it depends on what you're in politics to do - a lot of people are, quite reasonably, engaged in politics because they want practical improvements along what's achievable right now. if that's your perspective, a fringe party is something to leverage for those improvements; once you're in a position where you need to make a change, Ap is at least as relevant as SV. SV is a fundamentally idealist party these days. it's deeply social-liberal and redistributively oriented, with a strong moral impulse organising and directing the party. rødt is much less idealistic, which drives the pragmatists/ideologues division - the ideologues don't really have anywhere else to go other than to even more fringe parties, and the pragmatists are often at least as close to Ap as they are to SV. if the meta-political project doesn't serve, you might as well go directly to where the decisions are made, after all. jumping ship immediately after losing an election is excessively undisciplined, though. at least wait for an issue.
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jeebus bob posted:For once southern Denmark isn't the worst of the bunch My GF works in regional healthcare and staffing in some parts of DK, especially North Jutland is just demolished post-COVID. They're getting help from other regions but there's only so much spare capacity.
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I don't even know what number I'm supposed to call, in case of an emergency but not too much.
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THE BAR posted:I don't even know what number I'm supposed to call, in case of an emergency but not too much. Get to Billund or København
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THE BAR posted:I don't even know what number I'm supposed to call, in case of an emergency but not too much. Reminds me of that woman who called 112 when her violent ex tried to break into her home to assault her or worse, and the cop told her they'd send a coroner. Can't even expect that kind of service anymore. Please hold. But you're supposed to call 1813 and wait 45+ minutes if you're not actively dying, unless they're short-staffed or experiencing technical problems, in which case you should simply resume dying I guess. SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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THE BAR posted:I don't even know what number I'm supposed to call, in case of an emergency but not too much. Depends on where you live. Region hovedstaden, its 1813. Region sjælland its 1818. If you need help from the police its 114
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vuk83 posted:Depends on where you live.  Well isn't that convenient when someone's going at you with a knife, but not lethally so.
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https://doku.nu/2023/07/29/svenska-moskeer-vill-ha-ett-totalt-krankningsforbud/ Allegedly 30 out of 31 mosque's in Sweden want a ban on the ability to criticize religion, among other incredibly stupid things.
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THE BAR posted:
But Sjælland now uses 1818 Also there used to be different numbers if you needed lægevagten or skadestuen
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Congratulations Denmark you hosed up numbers once again
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This should be hilarious to anyone who followed the so-called caricature crisis closely. https://politiken.dk/indland/art9457102/Regeringen-vil-stoppe-afbr%C3%A6ndinger-af-koraner-med-juridisk-v%C3%A6rkt%C3%B8j quote:Afbrændingerne af koraner i Danmark går ud over Danmarks omdømme i udlandet. Derfor er det nødvendigt med et indgreb, mener udenrigsminister Lars Løkke Rasmussen (M).
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https://twitter.com/WhiteShemagh/status/1519643337317392386
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That is how you get fat census takers.
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endocriminologist posted:Congratulations Denmark you hosed up numbers once again
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On the one hand,  that the government is considering a ban on burning the Quran, considering the whole cartoon thing. I guess Westergaard is dead, the Coalition of the Willing isn't currently targeting the Middle East, and we'd really like to be pals with Erdogan and the Saudis, so priorities have changed.On the other hand, this seems to be pissing off the absolute worst people, including Paludan and Støjberg, so who's to say if it's good or bad.
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Esran posted:On the one hand,
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It's time to start burning Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung. That would actually be fun if China took the bait
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