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pseudodragon posted:IIRC one of the features of Nishonseki's building was private rooms for lower division guys which while its probably the lowest possible bar to clear, it does show some thought for Rikishi quality of life and was apparently enough of a revolution to be brought up in the story. and while yes living in a dojo every day is different from travel or training camp, there's nfl teams that don't give players their own rooms while traveling https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards
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Teddybear posted:Any word on who's going up from makushita? I know those usually get announced relatively quickly. 5 men confirmed promoted: 1. Tokihayate (made it to Juryo for a single basho previously and will now be re-promoted after a Makushita yusho) 2. Onosato of Nishonoseki-beya (the promising Nakamura who started at Makushita 10 like Ochiai/Hakuoho) 3. Takahashi also of Nishonoseki-beya (tore through the lower ranks, yet to have an MK) 4. Mukainakano from Miyagino/Hakuho beya will be called Tenshoho now 5. Ishizaki from Takasago beya (a former Sandanme Tsukedashi 100 guy with a decent amateur background) will be called Asakoryu. Kisenosato vs Hakuho as coaches will be a fun subtext for the next couple years. Hakuho definitely had a head start but it's early yet. (edited! thanks Brut!) Lucasar fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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Vargatron posted:They really just need to axe the summer jungyo from the schedule and let the rikishi rest and recover. A couple months of rest would do wonders for the quality of the sport. Nobody is going to be able to recover when doing training in 100 degree heat. We could probably do without the July basho altogether, especially if they're going to insist on putting it in Nagoya
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Khizan posted:What are they supposed to do about fighting injured? I have no idea  but people ITT keep saying that they're gonna be progressive in some way, I'm not the one making the argument that anything's gonna change. I realize most of it is based on kyokai positions 10-15 years down the line though and not how they manage their own heya, I'm just getting my bad predictions in early, just like I said Nishikigi was gonna get makekoshi this basho.Lucasar posted:2. Onosato of Nishonoseki-beya (the promising Nakamura who started at Makushita 15 like Ochiai/Hakuoho) Just gonna pedantically point out that he started at Ms10, he's also fought Ishizaki twice now and lost both times. Brut fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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Regarding fighting injured, that starts in the heyas. 14 hour practice sessions, full contact tachisis hundreds of times a day and all that stupid poo poo that every modern sport has figured out is terrible for longevity and peak performance I predict to diminish under hak / kise
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Alright, it's a couple days late but honestly this always happens. We have the final results of the Nagoya 2023 Fantasy Sumo tournament! Final results Makuuchi code:code:Special shout out to two of our fantasy players that started off kyujo and came in late. Jobbo_Fett came in on Day 4, but with a strong team managed to stay 3 off the bottom of the makuuchi roster, while hapless Beexoffel only managed a single kachi-koshi, with Kotoeko. Despite my reservations at fighting through injury, I congratulate them both (along with fellow initially-kyujo Communist Thoughts) on their fighting spirit, and wish them a speedy recovery so that they may return to fighting trim in Aki. I would also like to call out the remarkable hinkaku of the aptly-named Fearless for sticking with Asanoyama despite his temporary withdrawal, and being rewarded with a clean kachi-koshi from the former ozeki. On to special prizes! A refresher, these are the special prizes: Gino-sho/Technique: No make-koshi on your team. Kanto-sho/Fighting Spirit: Exceptional performance from a low rank, or other acknowledgement of great performance. Shukun-sho/Outstanding Performance: Getting the highest number of accolades (i.e. kinboshi, yusho/jun-yusho, and sansho) in the field. So, who are the awardees? Gino-sho: Due to the Y/O situation, no one properly took a Gino-sho, but if you don't count the top rank, we can congratulate Brut and FART BOSS Kanto-sho: Brut, FART BOSS Shukun-sho: Brut As always, I'm excited for everyone to get some rest in August, and show up ready to fight in September. Hopefully we'll have a more full and satisfying card of yokozuna and ozeki to contend with. Kenning fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jul 27, 2023 |
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Kenning posted:Makuuchi Nice.
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Kenning posted:Down in juryo, Average Lettuce took the yusho I'm confused, didn't Crusty Nutsack (lol) win?
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Average Lettuce posted:I'm confused, didn't Crusty Nutsack (lol) win? Wow okay yes that's correct I was very bleary-eyed writing up the post. Don't let the rest of the thread know, but I've written listing copy on e-commerce websites for so long that I can make a sixth-place finisher sound like a champion as long as no one looks at the scores. I've updated the post with a more accurate congrats to Crusty Nutsack.
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Thanks for running things Kenning! Never expected to earn two special prizes in my first basho. Eager to keep developing my own brand of fantasy sumo in September (and probably never go KK again)
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Kenning posted:Wow okay yes that's correct I was very bleary-eyed writing up the post. Don't let the rest of the thread know, but I've written listing copy on e-commerce websites for so long that I can make a sixth-place finisher sound like a champion as long as no one looks at the scores. I've updated the post with a more accurate congrats to Crusty Nutsack. I wouldn't mind winning! But still, a respectable result.
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Disastrous finish to the basho for me. The Nagoya heat really took its toll on me and I need to redouble my training efforts so I'm properly conditioned to do my style of fantasy sumo (losing) for the full fifteen days. Thanks very much for running it yet again, Kenning!
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Ice Phisherman posted:I mean, the sumo to professional wrestling pipeline is very real. It could happen. Or at least he might do a few guest appearances while he still has name recognition. No tochi! You're having stem cells injected into your heart. Go to bed and stay there for 10 years. Re: miyagino I was also a little disappointed to see that hakuhos stable is very much traditional, it doesn't really look modernised much at all I did like the bedazzled tracksuit he was wearing in sumo prime times vid
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Solidly lower-mid table. I have found my niche, I have found my Sumo. Thanks Kenning for another great basho!
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My heya was in rare form this basho! I'll take 3rd place in makuuchi every day of the week.
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Thanks as always Kenning for running this. My squad wasn't great but hopefully I did enough to stave off demotion but I look forward to continuing practicing my brand of Sumo.
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My stated goal was to role play as a perpetually m15 rikishi and to find myself looking at ascending to sanyaku is a bizarrely sincere emotion to have about fantasy sumo lol. thanks kenning.
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Thanks as always, Kenning. A memorable basho, and with this new blood rising through the ranks, so begins a new era in which I will continue to practice my brand of sumo.
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Kenning posted:Wow okay yes that's correct I was very bleary-eyed writing up the post. Don't let the rest of the thread know, but I've written listing copy on e-commerce websites for so long that I can make a sixth-place finisher sound like a champion as long as no one looks at the scores. I've updated the post with a more accurate congrats to Crusty Nutsack.  I can't wait to get back to makuuchi and do absolutely terribly again thanks kenning!
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Marching Powder posted:Regarding fighting injured, that starts in the heyas. 14 hour practice sessions, full contact tachisis hundreds of times a day and all that stupid poo poo that every modern sport has figured out is terrible for longevity and peak performance I predict to diminish under hak / kise Yeah, I don't think we see any big changes in the system for years. iIRC beyond Kise, there's a couple other guys that went for Sports Science/Management degrees post-career so hopefully they do the boring stuff that doesn't make the news like proper rest and recovery between basho/contact limits/pro strength and conditioning programs. Thauros posted:and while yes living in a dojo every day is different from travel or training camp, there's nfl teams that don't give players their own rooms while traveling Man, the NFLPA sucks rear end. Even the lovely NHLPA, which has had multiple leaders fired/arrested for professional misconduct (spying on member emails) to straight up bribery and collusion managed to get private rooms as a CBA term.
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Brut posted:Nice. Nice. Well done Brut and the Crusty Nutsack, you truly are the best of us. In Makushita Takerufuji is having a fine old time of it. He's gone 6-1 for the third time in a row since his debut at the end of last year. I think if he goes 6-1 again he'll be into Juryo at the end of the year.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Re: miyagino I don't think he's built his own stable yet, this is the same as the old Miyagino one.
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Thanks for all you do Kenning, great basho all! Think that's a PB for me, can't wait for this to be my ultimate peak and then a long time languishing in juryo before I'm put out to pasture. Might go spread COVID at a hostess bar and come back in a year, see if it improves my chances.
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Hey I have a Hattorizakura question, I just looked at his SumoDB and I noticed that just before his retirement he reached a career high rank of Jk9, now I know that in the bottom division you get promoted even with any wins at all, but going from 24 to 9 after 0 wins seems unusual even by those standards, what happened in that basho that caused this?
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Communist Thoughts posted:Re: miyagino Hakuho's pretty new as an oyakata and he wasn't unanimously supported in his role. The JSA considered making him 'apprentice' as an oyakata for a lengthy period of time before being allowed to run his own stable, they made him sign a loyalty pledge about 'maintaining the spirit of sumo', failure to maintain proper behavior could result in his kabu being revoked, etc. It's not surprising at all that he's basically toeing the line right now, because he's not particularly popular with the higher ups in the JSA. Keeping to tradition is the smart move for him right now, because he's 38 and the Hakkaku crowd is pushing 60. Time is on his side, as long as he's patient and avoids getting forced out of the JSA early.
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Giving it a quick look, it's because maezumo was cancelled due to Covid so anyone who debuted had to be ranked under him.
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Khizan posted:Hakuho's pretty new as an oyakata and he wasn't unanimously supported in his role. The JSA considered making him 'apprentice' as an oyakata for a lengthy period of time before being allowed to run his own stable, they made him sign a loyalty pledge about 'maintaining the spirit of sumo', failure to maintain proper behavior could result in his kabu being revoked, etc. It's not surprising at all that he's basically toeing the line right now, because he's not particularly popular with the higher ups in the JSA. also I have to imagine full modernisation doesn't exactly happen overnight. The stable isn't gonna suddenly look like an MMA gym
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Robviously posted:Giving it a quick look, it's because maezumo was cancelled due to Covid so anyone who debuted had to be ranked under him. Ah gotcha, I figured it was something along those lines, thanks!
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Khizan posted:Hakuho's pretty new as an oyakata and he wasn't unanimously supported in his role. The JSA considered making him 'apprentice' as an oyakata for a lengthy period of time before being allowed to run his own stable, they made him sign a loyalty pledge about 'maintaining the spirit of sumo', failure to maintain proper behavior could result in his kabu being revoked, etc. It's not surprising at all that he's basically toeing the line right now, because he's not particularly popular with the higher ups in the JSA. I think it's PR and image management but I think it's interesting how Hak and Kise have sort of switched roles in retirement. The bad boy Hak is growing the company line basically doing things old school but better, showing that he can be a good, productive member of the JSA. Meanwhile, Kise, the poster boy for proper behavior is publicly getting an education and promoting all the new stuff he is doing to position himself as a leader. Although I think at heart, Hak has always been a traditionalist. He butt heads with the JSA and YDC, but it seemed like he always had his idea of what sumo is supposed to be and stuck with that.
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I think i should get 10 points for each person i beat. Tied for Yonkogoona
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pseudodragon posted:Although I think at heart, Hak has always been a traditionalist. He butt heads with the JSA and YDC, but it seemed like he always had his idea of what sumo is supposed to be and stuck with that. man i cannot get with this take at all. he respects sumo. he's a sumo scholar. he's the greatest practitioner the sport has ever seen. i guess i'd call him a traditionalist in the sense that he wouldn't gently caress with what he considers the soul of the sport, but i'd count on that same reverence to stand up against practices that wound the soul of the sport.
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Marching Powder posted:man i cannot get with this take at all. he respects sumo. he's a sumo scholar. he's the greatest practitioner the sport has ever seen. i guess i'd call him a traditionalist in the sense that he wouldn't gently caress with what he considers the soul of the sport, but i'd count on that same reverence to stand up against practices that wound the soul of the sport. Yeah, I guess that actually describes what I think better than how I said it. A sumo philosopher that believes in the heart of sumo. I guess it comes down to what he considers fundamental to sumo life and experience vs. the dumb poo poo that should be thrown out. Like I agree that he'll stand up to what he believes is right, but I think what he considers right comes from lessons from the past and adapting and perfecting those as opposed to seeking out lessons from outside sumo. I think his reforms would be more evolutionary, aimed at perfecting the art while preserving its soul rather than revolutionary changes no matter the origin and changing sumo to adapt if that makes sense.
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pseudodragon posted:I think his reforms would be more evolutionary, aimed at perfecting the art while preserving its soul rather than revolutionary changes no matter the origin and changing sumo to adapt if that makes sense. yep now we're 100% on the same page. well put.
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