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I feel bad for saying good riddance, I like Colorado and their fans are nice when they visit. They were never actually treated that well by the Pac-12 brass and it's no surprise they are leaving. kayakyakr posted:
It makes a lot of sense, Arizona is a really important part of what's left of the Pac, way more important than they'd be in any other conference. a neat cape posted:hey big 12 we're good at basketball please notice us At the very least it would probably be easier to get Arizona and ASU if the Big 12 had a Southern California school.
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kayakyakr posted:Oregon and Washington are rumored to have been told in no uncertain terms that the big ten is full, there is no spot for them. From Brett McMurphy’s reporting: quote:The Ducks and Huskies already have been “vetted and approved” by the Big Ten to join the conference, sources said. However, the Big Ten does not want “the Pac-12’s blood on its hands,” by taking Oregon and Washington before any other schools leave the Pac-12, sources said. I can see Stanford and ND also joining if Cal is too aloof or bad at football. Utah and the Arizonas to the Big 12 makes sense. Think it could be Cal, Oregon State and Wazzu left holding the bag.
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dirty shrimp money posted:Is that going to be healthy for the Big 12 to have two schools that aren’t ever going to stop throwing panties at the Big 10? At least, more publicly than the rest of the conference is throwing panties at the SEC? I don’t feel like there’s anyone in the Big 12 who would even have pretensions of being an SEC candidate
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McMurphy’s whole premise that the Big Ten has its finger on the button ready to add Oregon and Washington but is also happy to let them twist in the wind for an indeterminate number of years for ~reasons~ has always seemed really dubious to me, unless it’s some weird situation where they won’t have the votes until USC and UCLA join.
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With all this seeming opportunity for westward growth, I wonder if a lot of the Big 12 kind of wishes they hadn’t made those additions to the East (Cincy, UCF, even WVU). The further west the center of gravity moves, the more awkward things become between those three and everyone else.
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General Dog posted:With all this seeming opportunity for westward growth, I wonder if a lot of the Big 12 kind of wishes they hadn’t made those additions to the East (Cincy, UCF, even WVU). The further west the center of gravity moves, the more awkward things become between those three and everyone else. Yormark has repeatedly threatened to and apparently is trying to make a nationwide conference. Whether this is wise or not we'll find out. I mean UConn is on the table somehow if they can't lure Pac 12 teams other than Colorado. Gonzaga rumors still out there. The man does not believe travel matters. Also he's dreaming of putting together the best basketball conference obviously given those last two.
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General Dog posted:McMurphy’s whole premise that the Big Ten has its finger on the button ready to add Oregon and Washington but is also happy to let them twist in the wind for an indeterminate number of years for ~reasons~ has always seemed really dubious to me, unless it’s some weird situation where they won’t have the votes until USC and UCLA join. I could see some schools being a little uneasy and wanting to see how the travel and stuff goes for a year or two before committing to more teams out west.
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Rick posted:Good riddance. ZESTY 
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General Dog posted:I don’t feel like there’s anyone in the Big 12 who would even have pretensions of being an SEC candidate I mean the fundamental problem for me with all this discourse is that that these alleged super conferences still mediocre overall, except the difference is the games will no longer be places I can affordably travel to and even more likely to be in a time zone that I cannot comfortably watch them. And not to mention that the football culture is definitely different.
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Rick posted:I mean the fundamental problem for me with all this discourse is that that these alleged super conferences still mediocre overall, except the difference is the games will no longer be places I can affordably travel to and even more likely to be in a time zone that I cannot comfortably watch them. And not to mention that the football culture is definitely different. Big ten and sec won't be in a league of their own until they get rid of some teams that are weighing the conferences down. Until then, even the new big xii is comparable
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I just realized Week Zero is now only a month away.
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harperdc posted:From Brett McMurphy’s reporting: Feels like the MWC would be right there to absorb the remnants of the Pac 12
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kayakyakr posted:Big ten and sec won't be in a league of their own until they get rid of some teams that are weighing the conferences down. Until then, even the new big xii is comparable There could still be some fundamental change at the end of the road that results in the dissolution of the SEC and Big Ten and the consolidation of the best of the best (this is much more likely than those leagues ever actually expelling members), but in the meantime I think they’re still in a league of their own if they’re consistently combining for 6-8 bids in a 12-team playoff, Vanderbilt and Rutgers be damned.
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General Dog posted:McMurphy’s whole premise that the Big Ten has its finger on the button ready to add Oregon and Washington but is also happy to let them twist in the wind for an indeterminate number of years for ~reasons~ has always seemed really dubious to me, unless it’s some weird situation where they won’t have the votes until USC and UCLA join. I don't know, I think it makes sense in that UO and UW have very little leverage if the Pac starts going (further) down in flames and the B1G can offer a much smaller share as a result. Then again I really thought the B1G would want to try to add two more teams with USC and UCLA to cut down on the travel for the rest of the league.
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General Dog posted:There could still be some fundamental change at the end of the road that results in the dissolution of the SEC and Big Ten and the consolidation of the best of the best (this is much more likely than those leagues ever actually expelling members), but in the meantime I think they’re still in a league of their own if they’re consistently combining for 6-8 bids in a 12-team playoff, Vanderbilt and Rutgers be damned. I mean, it brings the level of competition down. Yes they have the four best teams, but the next 4 will come from the acc and big xii
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kayakyakr posted:Big ten and sec won't be in a league of their own until they get rid of some teams that are weighing the conferences down. Until then, even the new big xii is comparable I think in football the SEC has pretty clearly separated themselves. There's more parity between the P5 in basketball, but also the distinction is a bit more silly there since there are so many good schools from outside of the P5 too. Arizona State a while ago were talking about wanting to go independent if the Pac 12 dies and I wonder what that looks like.
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Let’s introduce some kind of weird pro/rel regional system like the foreigners do with semipro soccer. Keeps regional rivalries alive while ensuring that the elite teams play elite competition.
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I don't see the Big Ten expanding if Notre Dame isn't involved. Though I do think they'd be fools to let Oregon and Washington slip into the Big 12
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Komet posted:I don't see the Big Ten expanding if Notre Dame isn't involved. Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Notre Dame to the Big Ten. What of those entities says no to that deal. (I also forget if the ACC is still in play for ND, but that can be overcome with money)
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Grittybeard posted:Yormark has repeatedly threatened to and apparently is trying to make a nationwide conference. If the Big 12 explodes and we get one more mystery straggler, I could see an east and west division appearing pretty organically: East: Cincy WVU UCF Houston Kansas OK State Baylor West: TCU Colorado Texas Tech BYU KState Iowa State **Pac12 Mystery Box** 2 Texas teams in each division, sets up some natural cross division rivals. The rumored Pac defector being Oregon would probably strain geographic integrity a bit but otherwise this really isn't excessive.
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Metapod posted:Bring me Utah You have Utah at home.
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kayakyakr posted:Big ten and sec won't be in a league of their own until they get rid of some teams that are weighing the conferences down. Until then, even the new big xii is comparable Whoa hey leave Vandy alone they bring the GPA up
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Metapod posted:Bring me Utah You'll get BYU and like it!
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Dango Bango posted:You'll get BYU and like it! That’s their Utah at home!
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harperdc posted:That’s their Utah at home!  My excuse is it's early in the morning.
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Komet posted:I don't see the Big Ten expanding if Notre Dame isn't involved. Invite all of Notre Dame's rivals, then refuse to allow any Big Ten team to play Notre Dame. Checkmate
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harperdc posted:Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Notre Dame to the Big Ten. Notre Dame says no
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Notre Dame will say no on the principle of being independent. If money mattered, they would have joined the Big Ten years ago. Jim Delaney invited Maryland to the Big Ten a decade ago because he thought it would ultimately collapse the ACC and force ND into the Big Ten. It failed. Stanford certainly brings a lot of academic prestige and high levels of competitiveness in Olympic sports, but the Big Ten won't invite them if it's not part of a package deal with ND.
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dphi posted:I don't know, I think it makes sense in that UO and UW have very little leverage if the Pac starts going (further) down in flames and the B1G can offer a much smaller share as a result. Then again I really thought the B1G would want to try to add two more teams with USC and UCLA to cut down on the travel for the rest of the league. Seems like bringing in teams with a smaller revenue share would be opening a can of worms for a conference that has had even sharing up until now. There are six or so teams who I imagine would have good reason to think they’d be asked to take a haircut pretty soon.
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General Dog posted:Seems like bringing in teams with a smaller revenue share would be opening a can of worms for a conference that has had even sharing up until now. There are six or so teams who I imagine would have good reason to think they’d be asked to take a haircut pretty soon. Other than OSU/Michigan/Penn State and maybe MSU, I can't see anyone else wanting to open up that can of worms. Like you said, the bottom dwellers like Northwestern are obvious hard nos, but even the midrange teams like Nebraska are going to have a tough time braking the seal of unequal payments. I think it's a short jump from making small teams get less to the big teams saying they want a bonus for bringing in the big bucks once it's established that all teams aren't equal.
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Seems like Big Ideas ManTM Brett Yormark's Big Ideas are paying off for the Big 12
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The Big XII though still just seems so underwhelming. What’s the marquee matchup for the conference?
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Adun posted:The Big XII though still just seems so underwhelming. What’s the marquee matchup for the conference? Who cares? It's more entertaining football even if there isn't one obviously dominant 2-4 teams.
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Adun posted:The Big XII though still just seems so underwhelming. What’s the marquee matchup for the conference? Every game Deion coaches is going to be the marquee game for the Big 12, for better or worse. Outside that, Oklahoma State-Kansas State? Men’s basketball is gonna be lit tho Also, Wrar posted:Who cares? It's more entertaining football even if there isn't one obviously dominant 2-4 teams. Yeah, a lot of parity in the conference will be fun to watch. Judgy Fucker fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jul 27, 2023 |
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Adun posted:The Big XII though still just seems so underwhelming. What’s the marquee matchup for the conference? It's like a fun G5 conference on steroids; and I say that as a compliment.
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pseudodragon posted:Other than OSU/Michigan/Penn State and maybe MSU, I can't see anyone else wanting to open up that can of worms. Wisconsin and Iowa are bigger names, in terms of their general revenue outside of the TV deals, than one might suspect. You could probably get half of the conference on board with it. Say what you will about tradition and whatnot but I can't really see the top half being that cutthroat. I'm pretty sure that the Big Ten is the only conference no one has left to join another conference, been discreetly shown the door, or outright kicked out of.
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Sash! posted:or outright kicked out of. Let’s change this starting with Rutgers.
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