Frosted Flake posted:

Isn't a defence scientist, who teaches British Army staff, advises Staff and Cabinet, has advised NATO staff etc. writing an article about why Ukraine is failing and how they might succeed more substantial support, in real terms, than cheerleading them or whatever?

Proving concrete advice from a position of expertise is like, the definition of support.

Lostconfused posted:

There's actually a town called Turnips that an advance from the north might have to go through.

Cuttlefush posted:

it'll be funny if the stab in the back myth construction ends up settling on the us holding the knife

mlmp08 posted:

Also: bad news for civilians -

This war is a stark reminder of how valuable mines are in warfare, including the weird stuff like the Russian MLRS-deployed mines that kind of spit all over an aread and are only kinda-sorta mapped, not like a clear idea of how to go clear them out specifically. I think after seeing this war play out, you're not going to see any of the major players decide to abandon landmines any time soon.

Lostconfused posted:

https://twitter.com/Comrad_Dytar/status/1497599772005441539

celadon posted:

yeah unless ukraine is able to get back everything russia took in the last year and also crimea, the very logical thought process will be

1. the west initially supported us to get us to fight russia
2. the west failed to supply us sufficiently to fight russia
3. the west reduced or retracted support entirely, costing us the war, which we would have won obviously, because everybody in the entire western world agreed russias defeat was inevitable earlier on in the war

like this is less a stab-in-the-back myth as it is a stab-in-the-back detailed transcription of historical events

crepeface posted:

how many disgruntled Ukrainians, burning from their defeat by Russia, immigrating to Canada would it take to take over their government? just Chrystia Freeland

Frosted Flake posted:

lol I can't believe the loving Ukrainians got the new Bisons first.

How hosed are we if she runs for PM? If Trudeau is like "Obama left office", to paraphrase Chapo, and Canadians just want what they see on (American) TV, we're going to be confronted with a choice between Hillary and Trump, in the form of Pierre. Not great either way.

The Oldest Man posted:

Who else would it be, really

MinutePirateBug posted:

I read this as mine as in sapping at first, I wonder how long it will be until we see extensive tunneling to blow up fortifications on both sides or if that will even happen.

fizzy posted:

Incidental news for Ukraine - Ukrainian forces have recaptured nothing of value

Cromulent_Chill posted:

Frosted Flake posted:

Russia back to learning all the wrong lessons of the past 30 years

gradenko_2000 posted:

I should stop reading this thread before going to bed.

I dreamt I was driving around in a tank.

gradenko_2000 posted:

I should stop reading this thread before going to bed.

I dreamt I was driving around in a tank.

CODChimera posted:

sounds like fun as long as it wasnt in Ukraine

gradenko_2000 posted:

I should stop reading this thread before going to bed.

I dreamt I was driving around in a tank.

Frosted Flake posted:

How much do you think they pay for these?

Lord of Pie posted:

lol that they spent money on that when the perfect motorcycle already exists

fizzy posted:

Tankie-ish "shifting the goal-posts" copium.

Initially - "Ukraine already expended its reserves and has nothing left for a counter-offensive."

Then - "Their counter-offensive won't even reach the Russian defensive lines."

Now - "The territory they recapture in their counter-offensive is irrelevant and valueless."

Cromulent_Chill posted:

They picked one of like 8 villages in a small area to brag about. Did they not capture the rest? If they did why not brag about all of them?

Are all other posters some hive mind to you? You act like it.

fizzy posted:

With the notable exception of Al-Saqr, yes the other regular posters in this thread of Putinist tankies exhibit hive-minded congruence of thought and mentality.

Frosted Flake posted:

Oh, I forgot to mention, I saw that the professor at the British staff college, whose July 20 article, Russian fortifications present an old problem for Ukraine: Russian defensive capabilities are rooted in an old but effective twentieth century military strategy was posted yesterday, and who is literally writing the book on fortifications in the 21st century, is dismayed because he has been pretty ruthlessly attacked for not supporting Ukraine. That's the critique of his article - insufficient Slava - from, as far as I can tell, the leading expert on field fortifications working today.

Cromulent_Chill posted:

Seems like you're not getting a lot of the jokes.

Cromulent_Chill posted:

Seems like you're not getting a lot of the jokes.

fizzy posted:

That presumes that tankies are capable of jokes, when it is well-known that tankies are humorless, following the mold of their spiritual leaders Karl Marx and Stalin.