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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Each one of those Coast Guard teams seems to have a different model of high speed operator M4.

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Halser
Aug 24, 2016
I've always wondered why there's so many models of the same gun. At first I thought I was just being ignorant, but it seems it's actually just a stupid thing to leech money off of people

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Coast guard is involved in drug interdiction/trafficking so it makes sense they have special forces guys to do crimes

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
the coast guard is probably better at ASW than the actual navy between funding and narco submarines, they can have special toys as a treat

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Hatebag posted:

Coast guard is involved in drug interdiction/trafficking so it makes sense they have special forces guys to do crimes

yeah they also need the coast guard to be present on certain ship boardings so they can call it a police action while avoiding posse comitatus

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Reviving The PBY Catalina For Modern Warfare Is This Company’s Goal


quote:

Dubbed the Next Generation Amphibious Aircraft (NGAA) Catalina II twin turboprop amphibious flying boat, the aircraft is based on the historic Consolidated PBY 5 Catalina that provided maritime patrol, light transport, and search and rescue, among other duties.

“The NGAA Catalina II is a modern amphibian with advanced engines and avionics and will offer capabilities no other amphibian can provide today," said Lawrence Reece, president of Catalina Aircraft. That’s a Longboat Key, Florida company holding the U.S. and Canadian type certificates for the PBY-5.

The company’s announcement comes as the U.S. seeks runway-independent aircraft that can operate in an environment where large airbases and runways are likely to be early targets in any future conflict with an adversary like China.

U.S. Air Force Special Operations Command is currently testing what it's calling the MC-130J Amphibious Capability, or MAC. That’s an MC-130J special operations tanker/transport aircraft converted into a floatplane. However, as we reported in May, an initial demonstration of that concept is now at least two to three years away, according to U.S. Air Force Col. Ken Kuebler, U.S. Special Operations Command's (SOCOM) program executive officer for Fixed Wing (PEO-FW).

During the SOF Week conference in Tampa, Kuebler said that "we're doing hydro testing, subscale testing... we're moving towards a critical design review." He also stressed that the project encompassed "more than just the development of the aircraft." In addition, Kuebler said studies were being conducted now into how different sea states might impact such an aircraft and into its maintenance and logistics requirements.

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The military version, which the company is calling the “NGAA Catalina II Special Use Variant,” is a “new production 40,000-pound Maximum Take-Off Weight (MTOW) unpressurized, twin-turboprop, Sea State 3-capable, amphibious flying boat geared to support government and military-type Concepts of Operations (CONOPs),” the company claims in its media release.

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Clearly looking at the capabilities being pursued by the U.S. and other militaries, the company claims that the NGAA Catalina II “offers a single asset solution capable of replacing several existing platform types, thus reducing overall Acquisition, Operational and Sustainment costs.”

The company, however, said it was yet to announce the cost of the aircraft.

It is unclear from the release the depth of discussion, if any, the company has had with the U.S. or any other military about this aircraft, which Catalina said it expects to deliver by 2029.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
one flying boat, yeah that'll be 50 million smackers thank you. may we also interest you in our plane doesn't sink in water package? a real bargain only 50 million more per unit

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

Slavvy posted:

U.S. Air Force Special Operations Command is currently testing what it's calling the MC-130J Amphibious Capability, or MAC. That’s an MC-130J special operations tanker/transport aircraft converted into a floatplane. However, as we reported in May, an initial demonstration of that concept is now at least two to three years away, according to U.S. Air Force Col. Ken Kuebler, U.S. Special Operations Command's (SOCOM) program executive officer for Fixed Wing (PEO-FW).

oh so it's getting a 155mm lightweight cannon, 57mm medium autocannon, and a 30mm light autocannon because it needs to terrorize pacific fisherman who can't shoot back

Facehammer
Mar 11, 2008

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/DougieCoullPics/status/1682830392582103040

not a sub guy but i don't think they're supposed to have rust on them

From the comments:

https://twitter.com/realMudcrabTalk/status/1682887277301645312?t=nVpDFuw_0rhWdWRXChYIkg&s=19

Got some terrible news for you about homosexuality in the Navy, my dude.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Mandoric posted:

I know this is probably supposed to come out like "tackle-it", but lol that can not be a fortunate name in the world of toxic machismo.

tactical chiclet

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Slavvy posted:

The company’s announcement comes as the U.S. seeks runway-independent aircraft that can operate in an environment where large airbases and runways are likely to be early targets in any future conflict with an adversary like China.

"no i don't want to think any harder, thank you"

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Can't wait for the stealth flying boat that rusts in sea water

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

quote:

[O]vernight, four Midway-deployed PBY flying boats had conducted a daring attack on the [Midway] invasion force, with a new and untried capability to carry torpedoes.

At 0153 one of the PBYs, flown by Ensign Gaylord Probst, hit a Japanese tanker, Akebono Maru, the only U.S. torpedo to damage a Japanese ship in the entire battle).

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Weird that they'd choose that and not the bigger flying boats that were more capable and saw longer service, like the P5M Marlin, PBM Mariner or jet powered P6M SeaMaster. The Catalina only makes sense for nostalgia's sake.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

Turtle Sandbox posted:

Flag creep is a very real problem in the military, there are always more flag officers than the organizational structure actually needs.

Tommy Tuberville is on the case.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

Weird that they'd choose that and not the bigger flying boats that were more capable and saw longer service, like the P5M Marlin, PBM Mariner or jet powered P6M SeaMaster. The Catalina only makes sense for nostalgia's sake.

“The NGAA Catalina II is a modern amphibian with advanced engines and avionics and will offer capabilities no other amphibian can provide today," said Lawrence Reece, president of Catalina Aircraft. That’s a Longboat Key, Florida company holding the U.S. and Canadian type certificates for the PBY-5.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

Weird that they'd choose that and not the bigger flying boats that were more capable and saw longer service, like the P5M Marlin, PBM Mariner or jet powered P6M SeaMaster. The Catalina only makes sense for nostalgia's sake.

Its exactly that, people have more likely heard of the Catalina and no ones heard of those more capable planes

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Frosted Flake posted:

Weird that they'd choose that and not the bigger flying boats that were more capable and saw longer service, like the P5M Marlin, PBM Mariner or jet powered P6M SeaMaster. The Catalina only makes sense for nostalgia's sake.

Or, you know, just buy these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShinMaywa_US-2

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/nknewsorg/status/1684448601123217409

north korea's got some fancy new drones

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/DougieCoullPics/status/1682830392582103040

not a sub guy but i don't think they're supposed to have rust on them

outbound from where? that doesn’t look like either Bangor or Kings Bay, the two trident bases.

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/DougieCoullPics/status/1682830392582103040

not a sub guy but i don't think they're supposed to have rust on them

as a sub guy

lol

they always do

palindrome
Feb 3, 2020

Countdown until a loitering drone can carry a nuclear weapon

Cookie Cutter
Nov 29, 2020

Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

Proust Malone posted:

outbound from where? that doesn’t look like either Bangor or Kings Bay, the two trident bases.

That's Faslane in Scotland, where the UK hosts the US nuke fleet.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

palindrome posted:

Countdown until a loitering drone can carry a nuclear weapon

look we all want metal gears okay

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I think we should force the SF guys, and people who want to dress like Operators to go to Costco, to roll back to 2001 swag: polartec coats and "disguises"

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Needs a far larger duck dynasty beard

nomad2020
Jan 30, 2007

I like the scarf

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/uh-guys-we-really-should-think-about


quote:

So anyway, if we’re going to be able to match Chinese military power — even in concert with all our friends and allies — we need to spend a lot more on the military. If you say this in public, someone will inevitably reply that “we spend more on our military than the next 10 countries combined”, and call for cutting defense spending in order to fund either social spending or tax cuts, depending on which side of the political aisle they fall. But what does it mean for the U.S. to outspend all other nations when China can build warships at 200 times the rate we can? What does it mean for the U.S. to outspend all other nations if we can’t even keep up enough munitions production to supply Ukraine?

Nothing. Dollars on paper mean nothing; shells and missiles and ships are real things that can be counted. As with health care and housing and train stations and everything else, Americans have deluded themselves into believing that as long as they allocate dollars to something in a spreadsheet, then valuable and useful real stuff is actually getting built. Again and again, that delusion has been shattered when excess costs and interminable delays block the paper dollars from becoming real tangible goods


noah getting crack pinged

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
i like how the yank is categorically unable to comprehend that it's the grift that's the problem and shoveling more money into the system will only make it worse

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Cerebral Bore posted:

i like how the yank is categorically unable to comprehend that it's the grift that's the problem and shoveling more money into the system will only make it worse

lol if american cops and veteran affairs are treated as a national military force in spending, they will be ranked somewhere like 3rd and 4th on the world's top list

Palladium has issued a correction as of 10:14 on Jul 29, 2023

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

quote:

Kids, 10, training for to build a workforce for AUKUS, SA’s $368bn nuclear submarine project

This ain’t the classroom you learnt in. A tech firm, a global defence company and SA teachers have teamed up to build an extraordinary new workforce.

Aukus subs off to a good start

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010


less crack ping "fighting china would be a bad idea because we'd probably lose" but rather getting madder and madder that the window to finally put china in its place is closing and the US is fumbling the bag

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

noah "i think i'd be a drone pilot but instead would actually be cannon fodder" smith

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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yellowcar posted:

less crack ping "fighting china would be a bad idea because we'd probably lose" but rather getting madder and madder that the window to finally put china in its place is closing and the US is fumbling the bag

lol @ "our F-35s outnumber their J-20 which is why our NAFO brainworms will still win"

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 11 minutes!

yellowcar posted:

less crack ping "fighting china would be a bad idea because we'd probably lose" but rather getting madder and madder that the window to finally put china in its place is closing and the US is fumbling the bag

it might have been a different story 20 years ago but liberalism was too hopped up on killing people in the middle east and thought China was a solved problem

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

bedpan posted:

it might have been a different story 20 years ago but liberalism was too hopped up on killing people in the middle east and thought China was a solved problem

osama ftw

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

bedpan posted:

it might have been a different story 20 years ago but liberalism was too hopped up on killing people in the middle east and thought China was a solved problem

there was never a point where the US could have used military force to crush china and the window for destroying the chinese economy was more like 50 years ago than 20. even then, there was no way to destroy the chinese economy and the soviet economy at the same time

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Well 50 years ago USD actually represented industrial capacity and Washington actually respected the geography in "geopolitics".

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Yeah reforming how neoliberalism is designed to function is a little easier said than done as well as tripling spending on the military not to mention around a dozen other problems.

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Facehammer
Mar 11, 2008

The USA couldn't defeat China in the Korean War and they've only become less able to do so since.

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