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There's been an interest (clearly for quite a while) in signaling military in an impossible to miss or misinterpret way that if you gently caress with American forces, even a small one*, you will get hosed by the full weight of whatever conventional force the US military can throw at you, and then some. That's not the entirety of US posture, but the Wagner attack gave about the clearest opportunity to demonstrate that that could ever have been asked for. *Iranian response to Suleimani's assassination not withstanding, which was clearly a whole stupid can of worms of its own. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Jul 28, 2023 |
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So, communicating the image that Americans are crazy bastards with lots of automatic weaponry? Sounds about right.
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I took away that the Conoco battle was a plausible deniability propaganda gambit -- if they could get America to directly fire in Russian AA it would make America the "clear" aggressors; but even now, it serves "war for oil" neocolonialist America narratives in propaganda.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:There's been an interest (clearly for quite a while) in signaling military in an impossible to miss or misinterpret way that if you gently caress with American forces, even a small one*, you will get hosed by the full weight of whatever conventional force the US military can throw at you, and then some. That's not the entirety of US posture, but the Wagner attack gave about the clearest opportunity to demonstrate that that could ever have been asked for. I think, in the context of the time, there was also a lot of pressure to avoid another scenario like the one that happened in Niger in 2017, when a SOF unit was ambushed by ISIS militants and two Green Berets were killed.
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That's a very good point.
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Here's a pretty good long read on the promotion of the Mosvka to submarine: https://www.economist.com/interactive/1843/2023/07/27/how-ukraines-virtually-non-existent-navy-sank-russias-flagship It's probably paywalled, but I am sure there are ways for non-subscribers to access it. Has a dope wireframe scroll-through of the Mosvka as well. Lots of wink-wink-nudge-nudge from the Ukrainian side on how they found her, and a guest appearance from a co-creater of Harpoon, among lots of other interesting stuff. e: an excerpt: quote:Once the location of the Moskva had been confirmed on April 13th, Neizhpapa ordered two Neptune missiles to be fired at it. The technical expert showed me a video on his phone of what he claimed was the launch of the missiles that day. The launcher truck was parked in a thin line of trees with bare branches. At ignition, the cap of the launching tube, which looks like the lid of a rubbish bin, was dispelled from the barrel and crashed into a field of green spring wheat. A fiery roar and a trail of black smoke followed. Then the second missile was launched. Mzuri fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Jul 28, 2023 |
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If Wagner were actually dumb enough to actually attack into Poland, it’d be an awfully convenient way to repeat “nope they’re rogue, fuckin’ dust ‘em” and solve that problem once and for all. They got on the wrong side of a drat AC-130 in Syria, that’s on the far end of the spectrum of finding out.
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Mzuri posted:It's probably paywalled, but I am sure there are ways for non-subscribers to access it. Has a dope wireframe scroll-through of the Mosvka as well. uBlock Origin can remove the paywall with its element zapper.
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Quackles posted:uBlock Origin can remove the paywall with its element zapper. drat that is nice, didn't even realize it could do that. This is how often I check on what my Chrome plugins are doing.
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https://twitter.com/BadBalticTakes/status/1684677880419106816?s=20quote:The “anonymous US official” supposed to be briefing Hersh used a russian expression (мальчик в трусиках) that English speakers don’t use. If anyone needed a reason to ignore anything Hersh ever posts again, this would be it. More than just the quoted bit in the post.
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https://twitter.com/nknewsorg/status/1684814331509399552 prigozhin should give them much needed hammers
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Would it be weird if I said that I wanted to see more of the oiled up North Korean death commandos doing cool martial arts poo poo in a jungle clearing?
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cirque du guerre is fun and harmless (for those watching)
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Alan Smithee posted:https://twitter.com/nknewsorg/status/1684814331509399552 These guys really out here waving at robots smh.
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Quackles posted:uBlock Origin can remove the paywall with its element zapper. thanks for this
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orange juche posted:Wrong thread lol Hello, doing some investigative journalism here, but did you think you were posting in a different thread and it ended up in this thread?
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/BadBalticTakes/status/1684677880419106816?s=20 
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/BadBalticTakes/status/1684677880419106816?s=20 lmao
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Alan Smithee posted:cirque du guerre is fun and harmless (for those watching) I read that wrong and now I want cheese
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M_Gargantua posted:Hello, doing some investigative journalism here, but did you think you were posting in a different thread and it ended up in this thread? I did, I had a couple tabs open and typed a post in one thread meaning to put it in another.
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/BadBalticTakes/status/1684677880419106816?s=20 Goddamnit Sy, you used to be cool.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Goddamnit Sy, you used to be cool. Abu Ghraib was the last thing he actually uncovered. Everything since then has been broke brained conspiracy theories.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Goddamnit Sy, you used to be cool. I think the conspiracy stuff went to his head, he sees poo poo in every shadow.
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Alan Smithee posted:https://twitter.com/nknewsorg/status/1684814331509399552 Crash Landing Into You season 2 looking good! Stultus Maximus posted:Abu Ghraib was the last thing he actually uncovered. Everything since then has been broke brained conspiracy theories. Hmm weird how the journos from the mid-2000s that had juicy deets on American misdeeds are getting lines like this now!
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Alan Smithee posted:prigozhin should give them much needed hammers They just sold the hammers to him, why should he give them back?
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he brought hammers to a missile fight
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Herstory Begins Now posted:no it was a US SF base at an oil facility (with an SDF base as well I believe), wagner was getting paid for their efforts via a 25% share of the revenues of any facility they recaptured and they clearly misjudged the situation and figured US forces didn't want a fight. Sorry to drag up something from the last page, but.. what? what the gently caress?
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Wibla posted:Sorry to drag up something from the last page, but.. what? what the gently caress? "The weak Yankees are cowards and will run like dogs!" -
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People keep not understanding how Russia will gladly sacrifice their proxy soldiers by the thousands for very stupid reasons.
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Wibla posted:Sorry to drag up something from the last page, but.. what? what the gently caress? They probably assumed the political optics would keep them safe- American troops don't want to cause an international incident type thinking. It's not that they wouldn't, they probably assumed they couldn't. Just wild assumptions here, but they probably figured a big assault force would cause the US element to reposition or fall back, and if they did fight, it would be organic small arms. Maybe some mortars and HMGs, a few gun trucks. They didn't expect the B52 crew to larp Arc Light the Ashau.
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All US forces operate under rules of engagement that include an inherent right to self defense. So if they're attacked, they can shoot back.
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psydude posted:All US forces operate under rules of engagement that include an inherent right to self defense. So if they're attacked, they can shoot back. And American troops don't shoot back so much as terraform
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psydude posted:All US forces operate under rules of engagement that include an inherent right to self defense. So if they're attacked, they can shoot back. Yea, but these are also russian wagner troops so I'm pretty sure some nationalistic "those americans are all giant babies who can't handle a real fight" is a thing plenty of them believed.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:And American troops don't shoot back so much as terraform Shooting directions over a radio to a machine dropping 2000 pounds of Freedom.
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Self Defense doesn't normally imply aircraft stacked every 1000ft and full batteries of fire.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Self Defense doesn't normally imply aircraft stacked every 1000ft and full batteries of fire. Unless you're american 
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bulletsponge13 posted:Self Defense doesn't normally imply aircraft stacked every 1000ft and full batteries of fire. 
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bulletsponge13 posted:Self Defense doesn't normally imply aircraft stacked every 1000ft and full batteries of fire. What's the point of being 25% of the world's economy if you aren't gonna show off a little.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Self Defense doesn't normally imply aircraft stacked every 1000ft and full batteries of fire. Fair fights are overrated. That's how you get shot and stuff.
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