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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Oh man, Paranoia is a good one. I've only played one session and I didn't really understand the rules, but I ended it by accidentally blowing up the shuttle between missions, with the entire party on board, and the GM thought I did it on purpose and begrudgingly awarded me a big pile of secret points. Good times. Well yeah, Paranoia is a Fun Game™️
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Raenir Salazar posted:What are some good ttrpgs where you aren't expected to win? Or generally expected to lose where this is compelling? Aside from call of cthulu which I imagine falls under that umbrella but I assume it also isn't combat heavy. Mörk Borg
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3 Action Economist posted:Mörk Borg Mork borg is incredible aesthetics that feels a bit like a chatgpt session to play.
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Raenir Salazar posted:What are some good ttrpgs where you aren't expected to win? Or generally expected to lose where this is compelling? Aside from call of cthulu which I imagine falls under that umbrella but I assume it also isn't combat heavy. blades in the dark is a fun pressure cooker where characters are very hard to kill, but even if you pull the heist off the stress and injuries and consequences constantly pile up, making the overarching campaign a ticking clock of how much wealth you can get before your rogue is forced into retirement
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Raenir Salazar posted:What are some good ttrpgs where you aren't expected to win? Or generally expected to lose where this is compelling? Aside from call of cthulu which I imagine falls under that umbrella but I assume it also isn't combat heavy. Dark Heresy and Warhammer Fantasy RP 2nd Edition. I don't even like Warhammer but these games both give you a bug's eye view of their respective worlds and you often fail hilariously. Even when you survive, you often find yourself explaining to your boss how the mission failure was actually someone else's fault.
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worm girl posted:Dark Heresy and Warhammer Fantasy RP 2nd Edition. I don't even like Warhammer but these games both give you a bug's eye view of their respective worlds and you often fail hilariously. Even when you survive, you often find yourself explaining to your boss how the mission failure was actually someone else's fault. the call of cthulhu arc is generally going from creeping around with a .32 and a torch having your mind blasted by revelations of cosmic horror => blowing up cultist buildings with dumptrucks full of dynamite then summoning up shoggoths to eat the survivors. It gets extremely gonzo at the far end because it's fundamentally D&D without character levels.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Or generally expected to lose where this is compelling?
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Raenir Salazar posted:What are some good ttrpgs where you aren't expected to win? Or generally expected to lose where this is compelling? Aside from call of cthulu which I imagine falls under that umbrella but I assume it also isn't combat heavy. Ten candles
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:Thirsty Sword Lesbians. they made k6bd into an rpg??
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goblin week posted:they made k6bd into an rpg?? they actually did and it's mid as poo poo unfortunately
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Abbadon's best RPG is still Skull Wizards, which is basically an RPG Madlibs dungeon crawl but still incredibly enjoyable somehow.
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Saraiguma posted:they actually did and it's mid as poo poo unfortunately The actual K6BD RPG, ICON. Or Lancer if you prefer mechs.
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The actual actual K6BD RPG is called Broken Worlds and it's a Powered by the Apocalypse game. You get it by subbing to the K6BD patreon for a month at any level.  Never played it but as a fan of the comic it was worth a read just for the lore back when I checked a look. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Jul 29, 2023 |
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yeah broke worlds is the unfortunately mid one but then again I'm not a big Lancer fan either so maybe I'm not the best source of opinions
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Lancer is really fun but I'll be honest it's one of the worst written rulebooks in terms of formatting I've ever read. It introduces concepts 50 pages before defining them, there's no sense of "These are the terms. These are how they're used." It feels very... scattered? Very little of it made sense the first time I read it, I had to read it a second time and only on a NG+ reading of it did the stuff in the beginning have a context to make sense. Like, I had my mech destroyed, and I had to find what that actually MEANS--it has references to "Your mech is destroyed" as consequences for a while but doesn't actually explain it until 80 pages in. I had to CTRL-F every instance of the word "Destroyed" where it tells you a lot about HOW to get destroyed, but not what it MEANS. Am I dead? Can I repair it? What can I actually DO? I get it's hard to pace that out, to structure that out sometimes, but if I didn't have a PDF of it I could ctrl-F through it'd be pretty miserable to play. The lore section is that on a larger scale, introducing a dozen names pages before explaining what they are and basically only making sense if you read through the whole thing twice. Game itself is absolutely great though, super well-tuned, really fast action, really complex and varied build options!
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Yeah, the rulebook of Lancer is not laid out super great. Comp/Con otoh, is goddamned fantastic as a GM.
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Great suggestions everyone, I'll give them a look!
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Lancer is mostly just a kinda mid fascimile of 4E D&D. It’s mech design is kinda bad (there are a lot of lovely mechs) and you’d almost always be better off piling on more Strikers. Also the tech attack math is laughably bad and swings between two different extremes of “why bother rolling”. Also the setting is not very useful to what the game is about. Book spends a time navel gazing about concepts that are completely useless to a party of mech pilots.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Also the setting is not very useful to what the game is about. Book spends a time navel gazing about concepts that are completely useless to a party of mech pilots.
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girl dick energy posted:Skill issue. There’s a reason the overwhelmingly most common advice for GMs of Lancer is “set your campaign somewhere Union doesn’t exist and won’t exist for the scope of the campaign”. Lancer is not a well written setting and wasted an incredible amount of page count.
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Captain Oblivious posted:There’s a reason the overwhelmingly most common advice for GMs of Lancer is “set your campaign somewhere Union doesn’t exist and won’t exist for the scope of the campaign”.
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girl dick energy posted:Where is this the common advice? Pilot.NET
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girl dick energy posted:I appreciate what Thirsty Sword Lesbians was going for, but my main issue with it is that it requires the whole group be on the same page to such a degree that, if you have a group that would want to play it, you could get basically the same experience with just about any other game. For example!  (j/k, I appreciate your suggestions)
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Isn't the basic premise and setup of Lancer that you wouldn't see mechs in the Union? That's not GMs telling you to avoid the lore, that's literally how the book tells you to play. Union is the origin of your characters and the reason many of them do what they do, not the setting of the fighting.
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In my Lancer campaign, my character's background is a noble from a world that thought they were the only world, overthrown by Union for doing the kind of thing nobility tends to do to their populations, 3 generations removed. My Lancer is trying to learn the strange technology of these weird invaders to eventually fight back against Union and re-establish hereditary monarchy (but character growth and in-game combat actions are leading them to be self-sacrificing and accidentally turning into a good person), so the setting has given my group at least a lot of like, story to work with without being set in the Utopia itself? As a setting it does have a lot of words for the part of the setting you, by definition, will not be spending much time in, though.
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girl dick energy posted:I mean, honestly, yeah, as long as you've got a good group and you're having fun, you can have a good experience with even the worst systems. Of course, since that's true of literally any and every system, even just freeform bullshitting, that usually goes as an unspoken "yes, but you're more likely to have a good experience with a well-designed system than a poorly-designed one". I mean yeah it all goes into managing to balance yourself between adhering to the rules and bending them in the service of fun moments. The DM of the game i'm playing recently let me get away with doing something cool with hallucinatory terrain and some vampires where I made everything look like it was brightly lit by the sun regardless. Another player challenged them to prove their faith by stepping in so I rolled with the 5e Illusionist power that lets you change the illusion at will as long as you can see it to make a shaft of shadow that followed the vampires as they moved along. Obviously it couldn't have hurt them but it was a really cool in-universe moment so it was allowed to matter.
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ikanreed posted:Don't you feel like a good story should have a threat physically beyond you, but finding tools and information and creativity lets you beat it? That is the way to do it, the problem with those older adventures I was talking about is that if you ran it as written you needed to have a particular type of item to beat it, or a particular skill that a party might not have. Like hostile ghosts that were immune to physical damage or what have you. If you ran it as written like a lot of DM's would do, especially newer ones, it could be incredibly frustrating.
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Shugojin posted:I mean yeah it all goes into managing to balance yourself between adhering to the rules and bending them in the service of fun moments. I've always said that the quality of a DM is measured by them knowing when to bend the rules in order to have fun, but the quality of a set of rules is measured by how rarely the DM has to make that decision. If it's a good set of rules, the thing the rules say to do will also be the most fun thing.
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The elves have their own gods, right, and they're incorporated into...which color pantheon?
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SuperKlaus posted:The elves have their own gods, right, and they're incorporated into...which color pantheon? Yellow, I think. They're not with the Northern Gods or the Southern Gods.
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Yellow is the northern gods. The elven gods are sponsored by the western pantheon; I dunno if we've seen any, but they'd be red.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Yellow is the northern gods. The elven gods are sponsored by the western pantheon; I dunno if we've seen any, but they'd be red. Yeah, you're right. I was remembering 999 wrongly, mixing up the glow of all the other gods with the ZOT on Veldrina.
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I hope Rich is okay and not playing too much BG3.
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But the only way to be ok is to be playing too much BG3.
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I think it’s a fairly safe bet that the guy whose computer famously couldn’t even run adobe illustrator properly isn’t playing BG3
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Ragnar34 posted:Last panel makes me want to play a rogue.
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https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1285.html Guess Rich isn't lost in BG3 like a million other people.
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