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run on sentience posted:Post the list or gently caress off out of this thread. A comment that disgusting doesn't deserve "serious" discussion. Why do I have "gently caress off" when poo poo like this is fine? Bleck posted:Because they 1. are the lawmakers, and 2. we don't hang enough of them If Greyjoy or Exxon can come explain why it is ok to call for the deaths of certain classes of people but not others ITT, I'll accept it. Oxyclean posted:The impression I got from MikeC's post was they were saying "people the general population are generally more okay with being killed by cops." You know, like how police will choke out a homeless person and there's maybe some outrage from the left and then nothing really comes with it. Vs the reaction you see if a cop shoots a little white kid. My comment was pointed at a certain subsection of posters in this thread who take every opportunity to make cops out to be murderers without remorse and who seek every opportunity to take life. Yes obviously it was sarcastic just as (I hope) Bleck is sarcastic about hanging landords over an AC dispute. MikeC fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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Jul 31, 2023 00:28
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I am not bleck, for the record, and while I despise landlords I don't think we should be hanging anyone also post the list acumen fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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Jul 31, 2023 00:32
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MikeC posted:Why do I have "gently caress off" when poo poo like this is fine? And police are much the same. I don't think every last one of them is bloodthirsty and without remorse, but they basically suffer no meaningful consequences for inflicting violence upon normal people. Once in awhile they do something good, like stopping other violence, but for some reason people get hung up thinking the rest of the poo poo they do is a needed sacrifice in order to get the "good" part of what they do. I feel like it should be pretty obvious why people are more comfortable with sarcastic calls of violence against one class with power over classes that do not have power.
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Jul 31, 2023 00:37
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Jul 31, 2023 00:40
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infernal machines posted:Hanged this is class violence
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Jul 31, 2023 00:42
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Class? I didn't even graduate!
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Jul 31, 2023 00:53
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So far my observations of this thread have been thus: Acceptable bloodthirst posting: - Landlords - Cops Unacceptable bloodthirst posting: - Conservative voters Disclaimer: All violence is wrong and the only legitimate way to voice disagreement with one another is through civilized debate leading to the optimal results delivered by our democratic process.
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Jul 31, 2023 01:19
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I/we generally give exxon a pretty free hand in moderating this thread. I haven't been checking it a whole lot lately even by my normal standards, just happened to click it as the festivities began.
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Jul 31, 2023 01:26
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The only people that should be killed by cops are those who are actively trying to kill those cops or bystanders and can't be stopped by reasonable alternative measures ie. They have a gun and are using it and won't stop when the police show up. The problem is the cops have and still kill and abuse a lot more people than falls into that category, on top of having been the tools used to enforce genocidal policies in this country and injustices against lower socioeconomic classes. Despite that, I don't think people should be calling for cop death and dekulakization of landlords and corpos, even ironically, but maybe that's just me.
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Jul 31, 2023 01:28
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People treat violence against powerful people that almost never happens differently than violence against powerless people that routinely happens. Nothing odd about that.
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Jul 31, 2023 01:29
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MikeC posted:why it is ok to call for the deaths of certain classes of people but not others ITT I don't consider landlords to be people
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Jul 31, 2023 01:32
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Mederlock posted:The only people that should be killed by cops are those who are actively trying to kill those cops or bystanders and can't be stopped by reasonable alternative measures ie. They have a gun and are using it and won't stop when the police show up. The problem is the cops have and still kill and abuse a lot more people than falls into that category, on top of having been the tools used to enforce genocidal policies in this country and injustices against lower socioeconomic classes. Despite that, I don't think people should be calling for cop death and dekulakization of landlords and corpos, even ironically, but maybe that's just me. While I agree with the first part of this post, I think we do need to remember that the police are merely enforcing the laws that are created by our government which is chosen by the people. If any of them are behaving outside those boundaries, they would simply be found guilty of being in violation by our court system and an appropriate remedy is applied. There really isn't a problem here. If you believe that the laws are not good you will have a chance to voice your opinion as soon as the next election and I encourage you to do so! E: also Mike C should not post the list. It could be in violation of his charter rights against self incrimination vis-a-vis risk of summary probation. At least until we have an exhaustive list of who it is and is not ok to advocate for violence against. ZShakespeare fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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Jul 31, 2023 01:46
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Part of my ideal policing system borrows from the UK and keeps armed police separate. We don’t need armed officers running photo radar and traffic snags. Slice off all that poo poo and have all armed response be the purview of EXTREMELY ELITE units that do nothing but armed response and training. This would have to be part of huge overhaul including housing, social services, and gun control, but I think the guys shooting people/tackling people should be absolute deadeyes. There is zero chance that dog wasn’t shot by his own cop owners, just like most K9 fatalities.
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Jul 31, 2023 02:09
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StoicRomance posted:Part of my ideal policing system borrows from the UK and keeps armed police separate. We don’t need armed officers running photo radar and traffic snags. That's not a bad start, even if the other policing problems remain at least less people die if traffic stops and suicide prevention calls don't involve anyone with a gun. We would of course have to be quite specific where the bar is for bringing in someone with a weapon. If someone is say attacking or threatening people with a knife or vehicle you need a gun. If the cops have been ordered to remove a bunch of people illegally occupying a space and there's a reasonable potential someone in that crowd is armed, that gets complicated.
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Jul 31, 2023 05:02
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MikeC posted:Why do I have "gently caress off" when poo poo like this is fine? I accept that your quip about murder victims deserving it was insincere, in which case it was merely tasteless and unfunny instead of bloodthirsty. As for defending the honour of landlords, as other people have noted, there is a difference between good things and bad. I will presume that references to dekulakization are equally ironic until a landlord actually dies from a pecuniary hate incident or someone insists that they are entirely sincere in their desire to murder them all (as PT6A did re: morons). If that happens I'll dutifully issue the requisite probes and we can pat ourselves on the backs about how the posting justice systems is working as intended.
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Jul 31, 2023 05:05
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That makes perfect sense. Idly wishing that “someone” would hang landlords or that a deadly disease would kill conservative voters is obviously not a direct threat to anyone, and even the most lay among us can see that. I personally find it tacky because I wish to live in a more evolved, non-violent, society, but sometimes you have to manage with what you have.
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Jul 31, 2023 05:36
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Bleck posted:You were talking about cops in the specific context of adding them to subways to alter people's perception of how safe they are on the subway, and I was implying that the reasons they are ineffective on the subway are also the same reasons they are ineffective in general, please try to keep up Did I say or imply that wasn’t applicable to cops in general?
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Jul 31, 2023 14:08
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StoicRomance posted:Part of my ideal policing system borrows from the UK and keeps armed police separate. We don’t need armed officers running photo radar and traffic snags. Not gonna lie when I first read that headline I assumed some dude shot at a cop because that cop shot his dog.
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Jul 31, 2023 14:28
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Even my adorable children who love animals with every fiber of their being think that having a parade for a dead police dog was stupid.
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Jul 31, 2023 15:19
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De-escalation training: 0$ Officer Background checks: 10$ Firearms and equipment: 1,000,000$ Parades for Police dogs killed by officers: 5,000,000$ please help our police organization we're underfunded
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Jul 31, 2023 15:30
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Don’t forget the police tank they all seem to be obsessed with
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Jul 31, 2023 15:33
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TheKingofSprings posted:Don’t forget the police tank they all seem to be obsessed with all hail brandon-tank 
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Jul 31, 2023 15:52
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Slotducks posted:all hail brandon-tank Door on the left. Resistance Door on the right. is Futile.
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Jul 31, 2023 15:57
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Oxyclean posted:De-escalation training: 0$ Special Olympics for Police: 7,000,000$
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Jul 31, 2023 16:07
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Stanley Pain posted:Door on the left. i never noticed the glory hole on the passenger side door til just now - cute
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Jul 31, 2023 16:12
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Slotducks posted:all hail brandon-tank I assume they need that just in case things get too rowdy at "Joe Beeverz"?
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Jul 31, 2023 16:15
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Slotducks posted:i never noticed the glory hole on the passenger side door til just now - cute Oh my.
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Jul 31, 2023 16:17
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After the events of the Brandon Beatdown the police swore to never again be without a tank
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Jul 31, 2023 16:17
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InfiniteZero posted:I assume they need that just in case things get too rowdy at "Joe Beeverz"? last time the Wheat Kings won the Ed Chynoweth Cup things got a little rowdy so they upped their tank budget for future Ed Chynoweth Cup scenarios
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Jul 31, 2023 16:17
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Deploying the TPS 4th Armoured Division when Fishbowl Friday at the Cactus Club gets out of hand
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Jul 31, 2023 16:29
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I don’t want landlords killed. I just want their income properties expropriated and used for socialized subsidized housing funded by higher taxes on the rich 
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Jul 31, 2023 16:50
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Anyone hoarding properties, or assets in excess of one billion dollars should get the electric chair This sounds horrible, except that there is an incredibly straightforward and simple solution (don’t hoard properties and wealth like a loving dragon)
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Jul 31, 2023 17:08
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The ultra wealthy can afford to buy their own electric chairs, I don't see why they should be subsidized.
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Jul 31, 2023 17:11
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Shofixti posted:I don’t want landlords killed. I just want their income properties expropriated and used for socialized subsidized housing funded by higher taxes on the rich How are the poor things supposed to eat without the income from the one thing they’re good at (social parasitisim)? Without it, they’re as good as dead
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Jul 31, 2023 17:12
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Adam Smith thought landlording was bullshit and you should too. Extinguishing rentiers is what the father of capitalism would have wanted.
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Jul 31, 2023 18:18
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Orthanc6 posted:That's not a bad start, even if the other policing problems remain at least less people die if traffic stops and suicide prevention calls don't involve anyone with a gun. We would of course have to be quite specific where the bar is for bringing in someone with a weapon. If someone is say attacking or threatening people with a knife or vehicle you need a gun. If the cops have been ordered to remove a bunch of people illegally occupying a space and there's a reasonable potential someone in that crowd is armed, that gets complicated. Yeah you nailed it. UK police do this swarming tactic with body-sized shields for people with bladed weapons that I think could get some mileage here. Not sure if you could convince people to try this kind of reform in North America because we just drown in guns.
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Aug 1, 2023 16:32
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We have the idea that the police are uniquely brave for going into danger, but then we let them use deadly force to minimize any risk to themselves. To the point that 90 year old dementia patients get shot or tased for shuffling toward cops with a knife, or any random person could be "reaching for something." It is totally possible to respond to knives without resorting to guns. We should be ok with that even if it increased risk to cops, which I don't believe it necessarily would.
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Aug 1, 2023 17:20
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Yeah they're not really risking anything if they shoot knife people with guns. Buncha pussies.
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Aug 1, 2023 21:26
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Charles Bukowski posted:Yeah they're not really risking anything if they shoot knife people with guns. Buncha pussies. Policing is not a particularly dangerous job, and other places do actually train and practice to handle knives without guns. So, yeah. Correct.
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Aug 1, 2023 21:36
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https://rabble.ca/columnists/whats-the-big-deal-about-olivia-chow-biking-to-city-hall-anyways/ 😩 She's going to turn TTC trains and busses into bike lanes and BCV(bike carrying vehicles) lanes...
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