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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
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Total: 404 votes
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DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Gresh posted:

Crazy thread, and unsurprisingly its totally believable.

https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1686140558803140608

Sorry Mr Lira, we don't accept asylum applications from twitter users.

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BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

mark immune posted:

fizzy seems very retarded, but I don’t follow this thread closely

He's a fun gimmick, but I think he thought most of the ISW types were like 2 degrees separated from the CIA (instead of one who literally ran the place).

mark immune
Dec 14, 2019

put the teacher in the cope cage imo

BadOptics posted:

He's a fun gimmick, but I think he thought most of the ISW types were like 2 degrees separated from the CIA (instead of one who literally ran the place).

well he sounds retarded imo

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Marenghi posted:

Colonialism redefined as when a country invades their neighbor for land. Which I guess means historically colonialism actually began with border disputes of ancient Sumer.

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1685697697049710592

loving poo poo Russian car," my driver spat as a Lada sedan passed us on the highway from Georgia's capital of Tbilisi to Stepantsminda during my trip there in 2019, shortly after our long conversation touched on Russia's 2008 invasion of Georgia.

His momentary flash of anger was an eye-opening glimpse at the consequences of Russia's steadfast refusal to let go of the 14 nations whose independence following the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union dictator Vladimir Putin infamously called "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century" – not to mention the ethnic minorities still under Moscow's yoke – and its brutal punishment of Georgia and Ukraine for daring to seek a bright future outside of Russia's sunless orbit.

The full-scale invasion of Ukraine has cast a long-overdue spotlight on Russian imperialism and colonialism, yet many Westerners fail to grapple with how Russia's colonial legacy continues to this day and is part and parcel to its war against Ukraine and descent into fascism. Consequently, many end up whatabouting, excusing and even overtly sympathizing with an empire whose colonial practices mirror those of historical Western European empires in cruelty, chauvinism, thievery, exploitation, cultural erasure, racism and genocide and that is now ruthlessly attempting to conquer one of its neighbors.

Russia displayed that ruthlessness last week when it lobbed missiles at Odesa, damaging port and grain storage facilities as well as its historic center, a UNESCO World Heritage site.

"They're interested in lands and influence and a buffer zone between them and the West, in sea access – but not in people and not in culture," said Ukrainian Parliament adviser Yuliia Shaipova who, together with her husband, Aspen Institute NextGen Transatlantic Initiative member Artem Shaipov, was at home in Odesa after hiding in a nearby bomb shelter.

Yet, Westerners safe from bombardment like long-shot third-party presidential candidate Cornel West continue to accommodate Russia. In a July 13 interview with CNN's Kaitlan Collins, West called Russia's invasion "criminal" but insisted it was "provoked by the expansion of NATO" and is a "proxy war between the American Empire and the Russian Federation," adding Neville Chamberlain-esque icing on the appeasement cake by proposing Ukrainian territorial concessions to Russia.

The tell in West's remarks was calling the U.S. an empire but referring to Russia by its de jure name, implicitly erasing its imperial, colonial character. It's a common tendency among the segment of the left to which West belongs, one that Kazakhstan-born Pitzer College sociology professor Azamat Junisbai attributes to ignorance and a myopic, know-nothing focus on American imperialism to the exclusion of imperialism by other nations.

"They're kind of imperial about their anti-imperialism," Junisbai said. "There's something very provincial and strange about it where you literally do not know anything about what's happening beyond this one issue you care about."

While West and other leftists blame "NATO expansion" for provoking Russia, Junisbai compares NATO membership – which, after all, the former Warsaw Pact and Baltic countries all sought voluntarily – to a restraining order against an abusive partner.

"People don't recognize that there was an abusive relationship, that there was colonialism," he said, speculating that blindness to Russian colonialism could be due to a failure of Western education systems as well as Soviet propaganda and leftist valorization of the Soviet Union as a foe of Western imperialism. Another potential culprit is knee-jerk distrust toward American foreign policy popular among some leftists and alternative media that leads to a simplistic "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" worldview.

"People, I think, just get so wedded to their vision of themselves as fighting 'The Man,' fighting the power that they are blinded and taken for a ride by Russia, in this case serving as useful idiots," Junisbai said.

Both Yuliia and Artem Shaipov pointed the finger at academic studies of Russia in the West that view it through Moscow's imperial lens. The two have published articles advocating for a "decolonization" of Russia studies and greater attention to how veneration of the "great Russian culture" – such as the genocide- and conquest-glorifying literature of Mikhail Lermontov and Alexander Pushkin – has provided a conduit for Russian imperialist ideology to sneak into the Western mind.

"Part of the reason is that it's Western academia that kind of perpetuates this imperial understanding of our region that benefits Russia's imperial policies," Shaipov said, pointing to how Western academic institutions place Ukraine and other post-Soviet nations under Russia's geopolitical umbrella of "Eurasia." "It speaks volumes about the reasons why still many people in the West see Ukraine and other independent states as the sphere of influence of Russia."

The resulting sympathy for Russia's imperial worldview finds expression among Western academics, media personalities and activists who deny Ukrainians' agency in repeating the Kremlin conspiracy theory that Ukraine's 2014 Revolution of Dignity was a "U.S.-backed coup" – as if Ukrainians couldn't have removed outrageously corrupt Kremlin stooge Viktor Yanukovych from office after his security forces murdered over 100 peaceful protesters without foreigners pulling the strings – or characterize former communist nations' NATO membership as provoking Russia rather than protecting them from it.

And it's a mindset rooted in over 400 years of imperialism and colonialism that caused atrocities as horrific as those of Spain or Britain.

Russia's conquest of Siberia starting in the 1580s, for instance, included the enslavement of indigenous peoples whom it forced to pay tribute in the form of furs known as yasak on pain of death, resulting in starvation as people struggled to meet yasak quotas instead of feeding themselves in a system some historians have compared to Belgian King Leopold II's enslavement of the Congo. Russian Cossack gangs raped and murdered while Orthodox missionaries stamped out native religions and alcoholism and smallpox decimated local populations. Today, indigenous people in Siberia and the Russian Far East frequently live in poverty while Moscow strips their lands' rich natural resources to line the pockets of oligarchs and fuel the glitz of cities like Moscow and St. Petersburg, while their men disproportionately make up the cannon fodder that Russia sends to the Ukrainian front.

"If we take the Russia that is situated behind the Urals – the Central Asian part of Russia, the far East Asian parts of Russia, the [northernmost parts of Russia] – the cities are just being used for extractive purposes, so [the Russians] don't care even about their own people and minorities that are in Russia itself," Shaipova said, noting how nearly all of their enormous wealth goes to the Russian metropole. "So basically, take Norilsk or Irkutsk – those cities look like an atomic bomb has exploded there."

In the Caucasus, where Russia vied with the Ottoman and Persian empires for power, the Muslim Circassians, who had inhabited the area for millennia, resisted Russian domination. So in 1857, Tsar Alexander II ordered their expulsion to the Ottoman Empire under a proposal by Count Dmitri Milyutin, who said it would "cleanse the land of hostile elements" and open their farmland for Christian settlers. The result was the Circassian genocide in which nearly the entire Circassian population was killed or expelled to the Middle East, where most Circassians live today.

Junisbai's own life is a testament to Russia's thorough colonization of his country, which began in earnest in the 18th century after Russia conquered it. His mother tongue is Russian rather than Kazakh thanks to generations of Russification that made learning Russian essential to get ahead while casting indigenous languages by the wayside. That led to him being conditioned to look down on Kazakhs who could not speak Russian properly while growing up in Almaty, whose population during the Soviet era was about four-fifths Russian and had only two Kazakh-language schools in the early 1980s, while Kazakhs largely lived in rural areas. Meanwhile, his great-grandfather was a member of the Kazakh intelligentsia, for which the Soviets executed him at Omsk in 1935 during Stalin's purges. Consistent with Russia's pattern of extractive relationships with its colonies, Moscow picked Kazakhstan as the place to test nuclear weapons, Junisbai's mother growing up only a couple hundred miles from a testing site.

The 2022 invasion of Ukraine brought to the forefront the issues of language and Russian colonialism that Junisbai had been thinking about for a while. Today, he spells Kazakhstan's name as "Qazaqstan," reflecting the native pronunciation, rather than the more common Russian-based spelling.

"This invasion – just the scale of it and how blatantly imperialist it was – was a point of no return," he said, regarding how it got him thinking more about those issues. "Like how strange and horrible it is that I am stuck with Russian, and it's like having something stuck in my body, and I cannot remove it."

In contrast with its terrestrial empire building, Russia didn't have as much luck overseas, as its North American and Hawaiian colonies proved unsuccessful, along with its lesser-known attempt to partake in that most infamous example of European colonialism, the 19th-century Scramble for Africa.

Russia's covetousness toward Ukraine differs somewhat from its other colonization activities, but comes from the same underlying desire to subjugate. It stems from the popular myth that Russia is the legitimate heir to the medieval state of Kyivan Rus, centered on modern-day Kyiv, which Putin cited in a July 2021 pseudohistorical essay denying Ukraine's right to sovereignty, "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians." But as Ukrainian historian Serhii Plokhy points out in his new book, "The Russo-Ukrainian War," although the Grand Principality of Moscow – later called Muscovy – derived much of its culture from Kyivan Rus, 15th-century ruler Ivan the Great invented the myth of Muscovy's inextricable link to it by declaring himself the sole legitimate heir to the Kyivan princes in order to justify his conquest of the Republic of Novgorod.

"The independent Russian state, born of the struggle between Moscow and Novgorod, resulted from the victory of authoritarianism over democracy," Plokhy writes.

Shaipov said Muscovy inherited its political culture not from Europe, but from the Mongol Empire of which it had long been a vassal.

"This is their political tradition of authoritarianism, oppression and continuous imperial conquest," he said.

Ukrainians learned that the hard way in the mid-1600s when Ukrainian Cossacks rebelled against their Catholic Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth rulers and established an independent state, seeking protection from their Orthodox co-religionists in Muscovy. But after helping them achieve victory, their Muscovite allies sought to dominate them, leading to another Ukrainian Cossack rebellion in 1708 that soon allied with Sweden. Muscovy defeated them at the Battle of Poltava in 1709, and in 1721, under Tsar Peter I, Muscovy became the Russian Empire.

In other words, Russian claims of lordship over Ukraine are about as credible as if British leaders called decolonization a "geopolitical catastrophe" and then dredged up medieval manuscripts to make the case against Irish independence.

The Russian Empire collapsed with the 1917 October Revolution, but that tradition of authoritarianism, oppression and imperial conquest persisted as the empire got a new coat of paint, trading tsars for commissars and rebranding as the U.S.S.R.

Numerous nations under Russian rule for centuries declared independence – including Ukraine as well as Belarus, Georgia, Armenia, the Tatar-led Idel-Ural State and others. But the Bolsheviks quickly invaded nearly all of them, forcing them into the newly established Soviet Union, which reoccupied the Baltic nations after World War II, leaving only Finland independent. In Ukraine, Stalin caused the Holodomor, a genocidal famine that depopulated most of the country's east, allowing its resettlement by Russians. In 1944, he accused indigenous Crimeans – for whom even the term "Crimean Tatars," Shaipov noted, is a misnomer with colonialist undertones – of collaborating with the Nazis and deported them all, allowing Russians to become a majority in Crimea too.

Those malign political traditions continued after 1991 as Russia crushed the fledgling Chechen Republic of Ichkeria and Tatarstan and sponsored pro-Russia breakaway states in Moldova's Transnistria region and the Georgian regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, where Russia used false accusations of genocide as a pretext for its 2008 invasion, a tactic it would rehash in Ukraine six years later.

And they live on today in Russia's nationalist, imperialist, bloodthirsty and downright genocidal "Z" propaganda for domestic audiences.

Even Russian liberals remain far from untainted. While Westerners lionize Alexei Navalny as a freedom fighter, Junisbai highlighted his history of racism toward Central Asians.

"Navalny is not really well-liked in Central Asia because he's the person who contributed to hate crimes against Central Asians in Russia," Junisbai explained, lamenting how many Westerners continue to see that part of Navalny's past as marginal.

Navalny also drew scorn for a series of tweets on July 25 in which he called Russian war criminal Igor Girkin a "political prisoner" following his arrest for criticizing Putin.

Shaipov and Shaipova pointed to how Jan Rachinsky, the head of Memorial, rejected the idea of Russian repentance for waging war against Ukraine in his Nobel Peace Prize lecture last year.

"This understanding of themselves as an empire is part of their national identity, and this is also what concerns the so-called Russian liberals," Shaipova said.

At the same time, Junisbai said people inside Russia consistently fail to acknowledge their nation's colonial history.

"The surest way to offend a Russian person is to talk about colonialism or Russians as colonizers," he said

Instead, Russians overwhelmingly view themselves – in true colonialist form – as having civilized Central Asians, believing they were illiterate before Russia introduced Cyrillic, despite Junisbai's grandfather having written in Arabic script, and that if not for Russia they would still be riding horses and living in yurts.

"It's just like, 'we built your schools, we built your hospitals – how dare you be disrespectful, how dare you not appreciate us,'" he said.

This lack of self-awareness stands in stark contrast with European nations that decolonized and, although in fits and starts, today seek to atone for past injustices. In 2021, Germany formally apologized for genocide in Namibia in the early 1900s, while Queen Camilla declined to wear a crown at King Charles' coronation bearing the Kohinoor diamond, which Britain plundered when it ruled India.

Shaipov and Shaipova said Russia must also undergo decolonization, a process the world should not fear.

"In order for them to heal, they need to go through this healing process and repentance so that they can reconcile with neighboring countries and with the peoples that populate the Russian Federation," Shaipov said.

But Russia must first remove the Harry Potter-like invisibility cloak that has long allowed its colonial legacy to go unnoticed.

"Once you tear it off, then people can see the horribleness – like, how could people side with an abuser and against someone who's trying to take out a restraining order against this abuse," Junisbai said.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

BadOptics posted:

The ISW's "Our History" blurb is loving L-O-L:

I wish I could have a job where making up a new idea that ends up also failing is a plus.


Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Russia must first remove the Harry Potter-like invisibility cloak that has long allowed its colonial legacy to go unnoticed.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Brееgе Timе ZÖZZ🇷🇺 posted:


Another drone attack was carried out in Moscow. Once again hit the Moscow City tower.

Terrorist halfwits
(from t.me/breege_time_20zz/23900, via tgsa)

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Nonsense posted:

Russia must first remove the Harry Potter-like invisibility cloak that has long allowed its colonial legacy to go unnoticed.

is this too long for a thread title we could always shorten the brackets again tho

[U/R] Russia must first remove the Harry Potter-like invisibility cloak that has long allowed its colonial legacy to go unnoticed.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Some Guy TT posted:

is this too long for a thread title we could always shorten the brackets again tho

[U/R] Russia must first remove the Harry Potter-like invisibility cloak that has long allowed its colonial legacy to go unnoticed.

how you gon' be wearing an invisible cloak when I see you ANNEXING THE drat CRIMEA

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Gresh posted:

Crazy thread, and unsurprisingly its totally believable.

https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1686140558803140608

I don't have any love for this person at all but i would have advised him to wait until he was out of the country and he had secured asylum in Hungary before tweeting out he was going to try and escape the country and went on to describe in detail how Ukraine is a "thieving, corrupt, murderous gangster regime"

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

Starsfan posted:

I don't have any love for this person at all but i would have advised him to wait until he was out of the country and he had secured asylum in Hungary before tweeting out he was going to try and escape the country and went on to describe in detail how Ukraine is a "thieving, corrupt, murderous gangster regime"

kinda reads like he has nothing to lose, he knows he’ll be found guilty and disappeared if he goes to trial, so he posted this while standing in line at the border crossing. in case he has his phone confiscated during the asylum proceedings or if they send him back, at least the story is out there.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Starsfan posted:

I don't have any love for this person at all but i would have advised him to wait until he was out of the country and he had secured asylum in Hungary before tweeting out he was going to try and escape the country and went on to describe in detail how Ukraine is a "thieving, corrupt, murderous gangster regime"

lol more Late Antique trivia: In some surviving pagan accounts but also many early Christian martyrologies, the stories feature civil authorities perplexed by the behaviour of the martyrs, often being lenient and letting them go several times. The Christians practically insisted on being martyred and made themselves an absolute nuisance before the provincial governor or city authority got fed up and executed them. These accounts often feature the persecutors making a speech about how annoyed they were, how they had given the martyr every opportunity to get away, and how they didn't really want to do this, but if they insisted then fine, they can be executed.

It's funny because in the 3rd century everyone thought those were saintly qualities, but if you try to imagine them in the present day...

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Mrs. Dash posted:

Visibility out of those things probably sucks poo poo. I doubt any of the crews really knew what was going on except that they were taking fire from somewhere.

I'm way back here but vision out of a MaxxPro looks OK to me.

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crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Gresh posted:

Crazy thread, and unsurprisingly its totally believable.

https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1686140558803140608

https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1686140894196404225?s=20

idk wtf that guy's deal is but oof that sounds pretty bad.

Deadly Ham Sandwich
Aug 19, 2009
Smellrose
just lmao if global warming thaws Russia's seas and lands while freezing Europe.

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Comrade Koba posted:

kinda reads like he has nothing to lose, he knows he’ll be found guilty and disappeared if he goes to trial, so he posted this while standing in line at the border crossing. in case he has his phone confiscated during the asylum proceedings or if they send him back, at least the story is out there.

yeah I see reading through that he is gambling on the word of some cell mate of his that the Ukrainians were sending him signals to get lost when they let him out of prison and told him to report in at the court house in 3 days. Makes sense.

Or they are going to have their border guards shoot him dead when he tries to cross lol

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

fizzy posted:

Another soldier, using the call-sign Pikachu, said men in his unit "tried our best. We made it."

"The dismount was not great," the soldier acknowledged. "We advanced slowly but surely. They were shooting, everything was flying. It was scary, but we moved on. Nobody fell back. Everyone did a great job.

Footage of the dismount:
https://youtu.be/D0WnZyxp_Wo

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Some Guy TT posted:

[U/R] Russia must first remove the Harry Potter-like invisibility cloak that has long allowed its colonial legacy to go unnoticed.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to the war for awhile. Is the plan still to fight until Russia runs out of bullets? Or have they had a new idea?

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Gripweed posted:

Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to the war for awhile. Is the plan still to fight until Russia runs out of bullets? Or have they had a new idea?

slightly modified plan, they are now fighting until Russia runs out of artillery pieces on account of being blown up.

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

Frosted Flake posted:

lol more Late Antique trivia: In some surviving pagan accounts but also many early Christian martyrologies, the stories feature civil authorities perplexed by the behaviour of the martyrs, often being lenient and letting them go several times. The Christians practically insisted on being martyred and made themselves an absolute nuisance before the provincial governor or city authority got fed up and executed them. These accounts often feature the persecutors making a speech about how annoyed they were, how they had given the martyr every opportunity to get away, and how they didn't really want to do this, but if they insisted then fine, they can be executed.

It's funny because in the 3rd century everyone thought those were saintly qualities, but if you try to imagine them in the present day...

lol it's like posting

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Starsfan posted:

slightly modified plan, they are now fighting until Russia runs out of artillery pieces on account of being blown up.

Is that working?

Red Metal
Oct 23, 2012

Let me tell you about Homestuck

Fun Shoe
with all the good news for ukraine fizzy is posting, how could it not?

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Cuttlefush posted:

lol it's like posting

lol more Late Awful trivia: In some surviving forums but also many early C-Spam rap sheets, the QCS threads feature moderators perplexed by the behaviour of the posters, often being lenient and letting them go several times. The posters practically insisted on being martyred and made themselves an absolute nuisance before the IK or moderator got fed up and perma'd them. These accounts often feature the IKs making a post about how annoyed they were, how they had given the poster every opportunity to get away, and how they didn't really want to do this, but if they insisted then fine, they can be perma'd.

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

Frosted Flake posted:

lol more Late Antique trivia: In some surviving pagan accounts but also many early Christian martyrologies, the stories feature civil authorities perplexed by the behaviour of the martyrs, often being lenient and letting them go several times. The Christians practically insisted on being martyred and made themselves an absolute nuisance before the provincial governor or city authority got fed up and executed them. These accounts often feature the persecutors making a speech about how annoyed they were, how they had given the martyr every opportunity to get away, and how they didn't really want to do this, but if they insisted then fine, they can be executed.

It's funny because in the 3rd century everyone thought those were saintly qualities, but if you try to imagine them in the present day...

wasn’t there at one point bandit gangs that would do crimes and then submit to the authorities in hopes of getting martyred?

I heard that the reason that one of the first proclamations of the council of Nicaea is that you’re disqualified from joining the clergy if you were specifically voluntarily castrated is because there were a lot of people who were doing that to themselves as a way to be celibate

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Death By The Blues posted:

to be a POC and cucked enough to join a war on the side of maintaining the status quo of European/white nationalism is just embarrassing.

The vast majority of people in the world don't think in those terms. I guarantee you all those guys think they're white.

Halser
Aug 24, 2016

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The vast majority of people in the world don't think in those terms. I guarantee you all those guys think they're white.

true based on what I see in my country. So many people being extremely self deprecating in the hopes that humiliating themselves enough will grant honorary white status.

celadon
Jan 2, 2023

Frosted Flake posted:

lol more Late Antique trivia: In some surviving pagan accounts but also many early Christian martyrologies, the stories feature civil authorities perplexed by the behaviour of the martyrs, often being lenient and letting them go several times. The Christians practically insisted on being martyred and made themselves an absolute nuisance before the provincial governor or city authority got fed up and executed them. These accounts often feature the persecutors making a speech about how annoyed they were, how they had given the martyr every opportunity to get away, and how they didn't really want to do this, but if they insisted then fine, they can be executed.

It's funny because in the 3rd century everyone thought those were saintly qualities, but if you try to imagine them in the present day...

my bible knowledge is contaminated by jesus christ superstar and the master and margarita but isnt this what happened to jesus, to a degree? like pilate wasnt super gung ho he just thought the guy was a bit of a nut and causing trouble

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The Pagan world lost to guys who were willing to cut their nuts off, and nowadays people want to be neopagans and bring it back. Don't waste your time on loser world views, folks.

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The Pagan world lost to guys who were willing to cut their nuts off, and nowadays people want to be neopagans and bring it back. Don't waste your time on loser world views, folks.

Tankies: Don't waste your time on loser world views

Also tankies: Spend their time exalting the virtues of Communistic Authoritarianism, which had comprehensively lost the battle with Capitalistic Democracy during the Cold War

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
never heard a tankie say the former

Popy
Feb 19, 2008

fizzy posted:

Tankies: Don't waste your time on loser world views

Also tankies: Spend their time exalting the virtues of Communistic Authoritarianism, which had comprehensively lost the battle with Capitalistic Democracy during the Cold War

same

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

fizzy posted:

Tankies: Don't waste your time on loser world views

Bad news for fizzy: Marx spent a lot of time studying capitalism

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

fizzy = catpetter's new gimmick?

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Bad news for Russia - Russia is still unable to prevent aerial attacks on their own capital city.


https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-31-23/index.html

Drone hits a building in Moscow, city's mayor says
From CNN's Josh Pennington
1 hr 53 min ago

A drone has struck the same building in Moscow that was hit on Sunday, Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said Tuesday.

"Several drones that were trying to fly into Moscow were shot down by [our] air defense. One flew into the same tower in [Moscow] City as last time. The facade at the 17th floor was damaged," the mayor said.


Some background: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Sunday that war is “gradually returning” to Russia after the Kremlin accused Kyiv of targeting Moscow with drones.

The Russian defense ministry said three drones were intercepted Sunday, but a business and shopping development in the west of the capital was hit. The fifth and sixth floors of a 50-story building were damaged, and no casualties were reported, state news agency TASS reported.

Videos showed debris as well as emergency services at the scene.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Great, soon everyone will have long range kinda lovely but “good enough” Shahed-esque drones to lob at cities.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

FrancisFukyomama posted:

wasn’t there at one point bandit gangs that would do crimes and then submit to the authorities in hopes of getting martyred?

I heard that the reason that one of the first proclamations of the council of Nicaea is that you’re disqualified from joining the clergy if you were specifically voluntarily castrated is because there were a lot of people who were doing that to themselves as a way to be celibate

I'm not entirely certain on the first part as violent mobs of priests and monks (often castrated) were common in the east but very rarely happened in the west. It would be regional, I think. To your second point, that's kind of the tip of the iceberg. In the east there was a tend to have very extreme communities that did wild poo poo in the name of asceticism and formed monastic communities outside of state or ecclesiastical control. Regulating their behaviour was a constant annoyance for both church and state.

celadon posted:

my bible knowledge is contaminated by jesus christ superstar and the master and margarita but isnt this what happened to jesus, to a degree? like pilate wasnt super gung ho he just thought the guy was a bit of a nut and causing trouble

Sort-of, and that's why these groups felt justified in taking it to extremes, since Emulation of Christ is the highest calling. There's a real shift after Constantine where Christians have to regulate the behaviour of other Christians and you can practically feel their frustration in some of the sources. They agree that Jesus said or did XYZ, but was it necessary to hold up the procession for Saint So-and-So because women had their shoulders uncovered? That sort of thing.

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Bad news for Russia - Between 24 February 2022 to 31 July 2023, the Russian military has lost more than 240,000 soldiers, more than 4,000 tanks, and staggeringly huge amounts of other military equipment.


https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2023/07/31/the-total-combat-losses-of-the-enemy-from-24-02-2022-to-31-07-2023/

The total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.2022 to 31.07.2023
2023-07-31 08:00:00 | ID: 70336

The total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.22 to 31.07.23 were approximately:
personnel ‒ about 246190 (+490) persons were liquidated,
tanks ‒ 4211 (+6),
APV ‒ 8188 (+10),
artillery systems – 4816 (+21),
MLRS – 699 (+1),
Anti-aircraft warfare systems ‒ 460 (+1),
aircraft – 315 (+0),
helicopters – 311 (+0),
UAV operational-tactical level – 4017 (+6),
cruise missiles ‒ 1347 (+0),
warships / boats ‒ 18 (+0),
vehicles and fuel tanks – 7292 (+17),
special equipment ‒ 715 (+4).

Data are being updated.

Strike the occupier! Let's win together! Our strength is in the truth!

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

fizzy posted:

Bad news for Russia - Between 24 February 2022 to 31 July 2023, the Russian military has lost more than 240,000 soldiers, more than 4,000 tanks, and staggeringly huge amounts of other military equipment.


https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2023/07/31/the-total-combat-losses-of-the-enemy-from-24-02-2022-to-31-07-2023/

The total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.2022 to 31.07.2023
2023-07-31 08:00:00 | ID: 70336

The total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.22 to 31.07.23 were approximately:
personnel ‒ about 246190 (+490) persons were liquidated,
tanks ‒ 4211 (+6),
APV ‒ 8188 (+10),
artillery systems – 4816 (+21),
MLRS – 699 (+1),
Anti-aircraft warfare systems ‒ 460 (+1),
aircraft – 315 (+0),
helicopters – 311 (+0),
UAV operational-tactical level – 4017 (+6),
cruise missiles ‒ 1347 (+0),
warships / boats ‒ 18 (+0),
vehicles and fuel tanks – 7292 (+17),
special equipment ‒ 715 (+4).

Data are being updated.

Strike the occupier! Let's win together! Our strength is in the truth!

how many of each of these items has Ukraine lost?

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Pomeroy
Apr 20, 2020

Frosted Flake posted:

lol more Late Antique trivia: In some surviving pagan accounts but also many early Christian martyrologies, the stories feature civil authorities perplexed by the behaviour of the martyrs, often being lenient and letting them go several times. The Christians practically insisted on being martyred and made themselves an absolute nuisance before the provincial governor or city authority got fed up and executed them. These accounts often feature the persecutors making a speech about how annoyed they were, how they had given the martyr every opportunity to get away, and how they didn't really want to do this, but if they insisted then fine, they can be executed.

It's funny because in the 3rd century everyone thought those were saintly qualities, but if you try to imagine them in the present day...

Fairly certain some Spanish bishops, under al-Andalus, had to put out an official statement that if you insist on forcing extraordinarily tolerant authorities to execute you by blaspheming them in their own mosques, you don't count as a martyr.

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