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Tread lightly with sourcing to Meidas Touch, it's very much in the Any Day Now line of coverage; look for the underlying coverage it's mediating and ensure that it matches its claims.
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Tragicomic posted:How do you get that sense back? I mean the only thing he's actually wriggled his way out of since 2020 is the impeachment trial, and nobody thought that was going to succeed in the first place. He was found liable in the E. Jean Carroll case and he's been indicted in every investigation that announced anything.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Apparently he fell down a flight of stairs at some point like ten years ago and welp I thought a guy tapped him on the shoulder too hard and that’s what did it.
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yronic heroism posted:I thought a guy tapped him on the shoulder too hard and that’s what did it. drat, that sounds like a classic Maxine Waters hit job
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Hmm... https://twitter.com/clearing_fog/status/1686506990946668544
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What does "Hmm..." mean? What is your basis for relying on "ClearingTheFog"'s inference of the names of individual senators?
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I believe he is hoping for goons to think of possibilities for co-conspirator 6 based on that snippet of the indictment.
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Professor Beetus posted:I believe he is hoping for goons to think of possibilities for co-conspirator 6 based on that snippet of the indictment. This. Who does Giuliani know well that would have those numbers.
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What is your basis for relying on "ClearingTheFog"'s inference of the names of individual senators? How the gently caress would we, or anyone, be able to identify what political consultant would "attempt to confirm" phone numbers for random Republican Senators? I can try to get Mike Lee's number, it takes literal seconds with google to get the contact info of a senator's chief of staff or scheduler, even as a layperson.
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I would bet at least even money that it’s Stone. The only reason I wouldn’t think it’s stone is #6 doesn’t seem involved in the worst of it and Stone probably would be.
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Discendo Vox posted:What is your basis for relying on "ClearingTheFog"'s inference of the names of individual senators? We already know that Guiliani called those guys at that time. It was reported at the time.
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Charlz Guybon posted:We already know that Guiliani called those guys at that time. It was reported at the time. Do you understand why "Hmm" and posting a random twitter account asking if the thing you're now asserting was reported before, isn't useful?
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Discendo Vox posted:Do you understand why "Hmm" and posting a random twitter account asking if the thing you're now asserting was reported before, isn't useful? I'm not hmming over Gulliani calling those guys, I'm hmming over who gave him the numbers. We're trying to figure out who co-conspirator 6 is.
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Charlz Guybon posted:I'm not hmming over Gulliani calling those guys, I'm hmming over who gave him the numbers. We're trying to figure out who co-conspirator 6 is. It's going to be Ginni Thomas, who we will discover was behind the taser balls heart attack, and everything else that would be so nice if it were true that we're going to change reality to fit.
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Aug 2, 2023 06:26
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It's actually Mike Lindell, who overplayed his hand with the cyberpillow conference.
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Discendo Vox posted:What is your basis for relying on "ClearingTheFog"'s inference of the names of individual senators? How the gently caress would we, or anyone, be able to identify what political consultant would "attempt to confirm" phone numbers for random Republican Senators? I can try to get Mike Lee's number, it takes literal seconds with google to get the contact info of a senator's chief of staff or scheduler, even as a layperson. It's you, isn't it. You're Co-Conspirator Number 6! Ha ha ha I knew it!!!
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Tayter Swift posted:It's you, isn't it. It's me, I'm three Co-Conspirator Number 6s stacked in a trenchcoat.
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There are other references to 6 in the document and some seemed more compelling than assisting with random phone calls. Sadly it's a crappy pdf and search isn't working. Anyway... The indictment almost reads like the first chapter of the new American democracy textbook, and it probably should be required reading in every real high school government class that likes American, which obviously excludes Florida and some others. Examples of actions that could be charged as treason in some states, observations about frivolous lawsuits intended to establish a basis for another action (in one case a mere few minutes before a deadline), invoke images of feather-quilled scribes madly recording for posterity "how the country was nearly lost". Of course I'm happy to have history report only the findings of guilt, but it's not like history textbooks to deny themselves the allegations. I particularly like the weaving of witnessed and transcribed events (facts of actions performed while holding office, ie not protected speech), with T routine Xits (ie maybe free speech, but some not protected, and all showing consistency of intent and mental awareness, keeping in mind that consistency is difficult for this crowd).
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Technowrite posted:Can the DOJ dangle a plea deal in front of Trump that basically says, "Drop out, never run for anything again, and this all goes away"? They could, but have no reason to do so. This guy has never honored a deal in his life and is represented by a lawyer who ambulance chasers look down on.
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Televisio Frankus posted:It's me, I'm three Co-Conspirator Number 6s stacked in a trenchcoat. we've got you now Co-Conspirator Number 18, you piece of poo poo
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Aug 2, 2023 07:39
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Plan B advocate Jason Miller had access to Trump campaign lists and was very negative on the 0/32 voting fraud lawsuits. Would be able to reach senators to confirm their cell numbers for Trump.
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MrBuddyLee posted:Plan B advocate Jason Miller had access to Trump campaign lists and was very negative on the 0/32 voting fraud lawsuits. Would be able to reach senators to confirm their cell numbers for Trump. isn't he also listed separately as a "what the gently caress are you people insane" source? Mercury_Storm posted:It's actually Mike Lindell, who overplayed his hand with the cyberpillow conference. he's unironically a leading candidate for that slot in the coup conspiracy and i'm not sure how i feel about that other than the periodic sensible chuckles
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It's wild and very telling just how many people fit the broad strokes of individual 6
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I really, really hope it is Ginni Thomas. The reason I think it actually might be is that they're clearly not shy about letting the others be identified, but co-conspirator number 6 is almost suspiciously vague. I can't believe that they'd hold back on details if it were Stone or Bannon or even some nobody apparatchik from the Trump DoJ or the GOP. So why the scarcity of detail on #6? And then I remembered this: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/01/politics/ginni-thomas-overturn-2020-election-wisconsin/index.html I'm well aware that I'm drifting close to conspiratorial thinking, but we know Thomas was involved in the fake elector bullshit, and I can absolutely see Smith deliberately not picking a fight with the wife of a sitting Justice of the SCOTUS while being happy to let the others get identified. So... likely? I don't know, but she's certainly not an impossibility! Hope springs eternal!
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Technowrite posted:Can the DOJ dangle a plea deal in front of Trump that basically says, "Drop out, never run for anything again, and this all goes away"? The optics of this would be catastrophic, and easily one of the dumbest things any DOJ could possibly allow itself to do. It would giftwrap “the weaponisation of the DOJ” talking point to the chuds and they’d have actual meat on that bone for once.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It's wild and very telling just how many people fit the broad strokes of individual 6 Slight typo, it wasn't conspirator #6. It was actually б, where б equals the set of all conspirators that fit the loose description given.
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:There are other references to 6 in the document and some seemed more compelling than assisting with random phone calls. Sadly it's a crappy pdf and search isn't working. Anyway... Unfortunately I can't find anything elsewhere about that.
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But we've known Patrick McGoohan is Number 6 for decades now?
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Uh oh Everyone knows that to get a fair trial a judge has to be nominated by the defendant's own political party. Also, all the jurors must have MAGA hats. Witch hunt! BigglesSWE posted:The optics of this would be catastrophic, and easily one of the dumbest things any DOJ could possibly allow itself to do. It would giftwrap “the weaponisation of the DOJ” talking point to the chuds and they’d have actual meat on that bone for once. Agree that Smith shouldn't do that but MAGA's are going to scream this from the rooftops anyway BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Aug 2, 2023 |
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I’m going out on left field and declaring that #6 is Jack Abramoff because that fucker is still poking around and in Trump world.
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I'm pretty sure #6 was Patrick McGoohan
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Maybe it's this guy? https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1686708016228253696
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#6 could be some right wing media personality. Matches the profile of someone who could help with the phone numbers of like a few senators. I think Ginni would probably have access to everyone. We also know that Alex Jones’ attorneys accidentally released his entire text message history and he asked “even the senator?”
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The best take I think I’ve seen on this indictment is that the Trump Administration was both incompetent clowns and sinister fascists. The Mar-A-Lago documents is the Trump gang at its most clown shoes - showing off illegal documents while commenting about how illegal they are and that you can’t make them legal; attempting to destroy evidence by diverting a pool into a server room; a bathroom filled with nuclear secrets behind a shower curtain. And this indictment is the Trump gang at its most sinister fascist- doing illegal things they knew were illegal and assuming the rest of the GOP would just roll over to support them; happily fantasizing about murdering civilians to prove their strength and power; using a rioting mob and the threat of violence to try and maintain that power.
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skeleton warrior posted:The best take I think I’ve seen on this indictment is that the Trump Administration was both incompetent clowns and sinister fascists. Even this framing kind of implies an illusory distinction; fascists have always been dumb as gently caress
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Tayter Swift posted:It's you, isn't it. If I wasn't so lazy, I would post a picture of M. Night Shalam.
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There are some legitimately psychotic quotes in the indictment that are a little more concerning that the crazy Mr. Bean-esque stuff with flooding the server room at Mar-a-Lago and bragging about stealing on tape. If your response to "there will be riots in every major city" is "that's what we have the insurrection act for" and trying to reassure people that either the rioters won't do anything serious or they will stand down pretty quickly if they do try something serious and get shot, so there is nothing to worry about, then you might be a fascist. Even the other people who were 100% down with trying to steal the election via seizing voting machines and declaring them invalid started to get concerned that they were working with psychos when they suggested that and Trump said, "Okay, sounds like you got your bases covered. Great idea."
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Failed Imagineer posted:Even this framing kind of implies an illusory distinction; fascists have always been dumb as gently caress Yup, There's No Such Thing as a Smart Fascist.
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