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KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:
"Sir, there has been a translation error for the US market advertisement"



"Try new Zoot Poot Plus!"

KakerMix fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Aug 3, 2023

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Serotoning
Sep 14, 2010

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
HANG 'EM HIGH


We're fighting human animals and we act accordingly
Succk® To Power Bags

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Pvt. Parts posted:

Succk® To Power Bags

hydroceramics
Jan 8, 2014

pixaal posted:

okay I think I'm getting the hang of XL

the key phrase for realistic is "live action" no quotes with space
photograph

live action

neither


Junk
Dec 20, 2003

Listen to reason, man. Why make your job difficult?

i gotta know the prompt for this one

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*

holy poo poo lol

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004


what was the prompt for this one

this looks like if The Economist started doing Saturday Evening Post style covers

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Junk posted:

i gotta know the prompt for this one

office workers in cubicles on a multidecker truck full of budy cubicles driving fast down the highway photograph --no sardines

Just noticed the "budy" which was supposed to be busy. I added the negative sardines out of curiosity to see if it reduced the number of people on the truck, because there were so many the faces got too hosed up to be what I wanted. Would be a good case for inpainting.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Hadlock posted:

what was the prompt for this one

this looks like if The Economist started doing Saturday Evening Post style covers

Unfortunately this was one of those Happy Little Accidents where the prompt was not intentional

an office worker struggling to climb::2 a tall office chair, photograph --ar 2:3

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Junk
Dec 20, 2003

Listen to reason, man. Why make your job difficult?

AARD VARKMAN posted:

office workers in cubicles on a multidecker truck full of budy cubicles driving fast down the highway photograph --no sardines

Just noticed the "budy" which was supposed to be busy. I added the negative sardines out of curiosity to see if it reduced the number of people on the truck, because there were so many the faces got too hosed up to be what I wanted. Would be a good case for inpainting.



this is what i imagine riding the bus in new delhi is like

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:



Pretty happy I was able to keep the can the same since doing that is a place where these AI image systems don't have the ability to do it. It's just standard photoshop work, like editing a photo but with the added ability (a very powerful ability) to use Stable Diffusion to just smooth over things, add shadows, reflections, whatever.

If you do any work in photoshop you'd be a fool to not adopt this tool, it's amazing.

KakerMix fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Aug 3, 2023

RIP Syndrome
Feb 24, 2016

KakerMix posted:



Pretty happy I was able to keep the can the same since doing that is a place where these AI image systems don't have the ability to do it. It's just standard photoshop work, like editing a photo but with the added ability (a very powerful ability) to use Stable Diffusion to just smooth over things, add shadows, reflections, whatever.

If you do any work in photoshop you'd be a fool to not adopt this tool, it's amazing.

I'm really looking forward to being able to use this in an application (don't have a CS license) and not some provisional web ui. A1111 in particular is a shambling mess (which is fine for a kitchen sink/research project when things are moving this fast, but not great if you want to go beyond just experimenting).

How has Adobe generative fill been received by traditional digital artists (traditional meaning 2000+ in this context, I guess)? Is it being widely boycotted? That whole (non-)conversation's depressing, so I haven't been paying close attention.



Own.

RIP Syndrome
Feb 24, 2016

Cutaways are fun. I give you



Bin Lader Mountin Frountain Duct Caves!





There have been reports that Bin Lader has been moving around the area on horseback



The Tora Bora Ora Ora megaproject



The most consistently amusing prompt was naturally,

quote:

detailed cutaway diagram of Bin Laden's Mountain Fortress, the complex of caves at Tora Bora is carved 1150ft into a 13000ft mountain and can accommodate up to 1000 people, caves are wired for light power and ventilation, complex includes offices bedrooms and communal rooms, secret exits to complex are guarded by steel doors and are booby-trapped, caves are cut deep inside the mountain to avoid the possibility of detection by thermal sensing equipment, valleys leading to the caves are heavily guarded by militiamen, system of ventilation ducts brings air into caves and provides alternative exits, exits are hidden behind rocks and mud walls, main entrance is through a 50ft tunnel wide enough for a car, arms an ammunition including stinger missiles are stored in underground armouries, hydroelectric power is generated from mountain streams, there have been reports that bin Laden has been moving around the area on horseback

You can tell SD's working its rear end off trying to squeeze 1000 people, a hydro plant and all that other stuff into the hill.

Bonus shots of some of the entrances:



KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

RIP Syndrome posted:

I'm really looking forward to being able to use this in an application (don't have a CS license) and not some provisional web ui. A1111 in particular is a shambling mess (which is fine for a kitchen sink/research project when things are moving this fast, but not great if you want to go beyond just experimenting).

How has Adobe generative fill been received by traditional digital artists (traditional meaning 2000+ in this context, I guess)? Is it being widely boycotted? That whole (non-)conversation's depressing, so I haven't been paying close attention.


The open source plugin as done by some people that links personally run Stable Diffusion with photoshop through Auto1111 is great and might as well be professional as far as I can tell, if a little obtuse in its function at first till you get used to it. You don't interface with Auto1111 at all if you don't want, though I still find firing off initial generations within that and then bringing that in to Photoshop proper and then working on it within there to be perfectly acceptable. I have three monitors with one of them being a drawing tablet, I'll have Photoshop on the tablet, Auto1111 on another, and the cmd window on the third along with whatever else I have running, usually music of some kind. I like having the CMD window so I can see what and when Stable Diffusion is doing. But really, it's just Photoshop with an AI buddy desperate to make things for you, just needs guidance. I'm still deeply impressed by how powerful all of this is, really and truly feels like magic especially in context of being able to reach into the image and gently caress with it and have the AI work with you in something like Photoshop.


It's just Photoshop with a little extra thing running inside it.

As for Adobe's Firefly thing, people like it just fine? AI is a tool, just like content aware before it, or any of the filters or masking or layers or whatever else. If someone is a ~true artist~ then they see this as another tool with which to be creative with. I have issues with Adobe's thing specifically because of censorship and limitations like that. I get why they have to try to thread that line as a public company but they aren't going to stop people from making whatever they want and they know it, and false positives happen enough with things like MidJourney that I'd rather just avoid it completely, which is why I like Stable Diffusion running on my own hardware. It isn't that I want to make wet drippy porn or whatever it's that the words seem arbitrary when you're just throwing poo poo at the wall to see what comes out, and they won't tell you what words it has problems with, just 'no we can't do that' which sucks balls when you're on a roll and get slammed to a stop because Adobe Mom won't tell you why she's upset. Plus I'm not sure how often they update their model but it will be limited because they specifically trained it themselves and, like censorship, is something they have to navigate because they are so large and visible. Again I understand why but I can avoid it, so I do! Nothing has been boycotted by the way the threat is and always will be from the fact that capitalism loving sucks and now they are getting a wide-eyed look at why, not that the barrier to entry on being creative is now through the floor.
Ignore whatever comments about AI on twitter as that's a microcosm of a microcosm that has no bearing on reality, much like twitter itself, or x or whatever that dumbass named it. Working artists use whatever tools they have and the ones that don't adopt will have a harder time of things, same as it ever was. If you have the means though absolutely get Ai weird in something like Photoshop, it rules.

Objective Action
Jun 10, 2007



Also there is a Krita plugin to do the same kind of thing if you don't have a license for Photoshop. I don't think there is a good one for GIMP yet but I haven't looked recently since Krita is doing everything I need.

There are a few but I'm currently using this one: https://github.com/Interpause/auto-sd-paint-ext.

RIP Syndrome
Feb 24, 2016

KakerMix posted:

good post

100% agree with that, and top artists already use human assistants anyway. A lot of art wouldn't have been possible without.

I'm a little wary because people seem to associate AI art with "being an AI guy" and jump to the conclusion that you're also an Elon Musk fan etc. etc, and mass media associated LLMs with cheating in people's minds and so on. Soon everyone's going to encounter LLMs and voice synthesis on support calls, and they'll spread the anger at that around instead of focusing on the misery driver, which yeah, it's capitalism. In a better world, this would be universally recognized as a huge leap in productive capacity and harnessed for the common good, but alas.

One other angle I've seen is the legal status of the models. I think it's still unclear the degree to which a model trained on some dataset inherits the licensing, and I understand the reaction from contemporary artists to models that are laser-focused on replicating their particular style. Of course, it didn't have to be a problem, but since the way the system works is that everyone's under constant threat of homelessness and starvation, and that's not going away anytime soon, it's understandable.

Anyway, I guess I'm derailing the thread a bit. I'm happy to have a place to just share and enjoy this stuff with others who understand the issues.

e: And thanks for the help, both of you.

RIP Syndrome fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Aug 3, 2023

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

RIP Syndrome posted:

100% agree with that, and top artists already use human assistants anyway. A lot of art wouldn't have been possible without.

I'm a little wary because people seem to associate AI art with "being an AI guy" and jump to the conclusion that you're also an Elon Musk fan etc. etc, and mass media associated LLMs with cheating in people's minds and so on. Soon everyone's going to encounter LLMs and voice synthesis on support calls, and they'll spread the anger at that around instead of focusing on the misery driver, which yeah, it's capitalism. In a better world, this would be universally recognized as a huge leap in productive capacity and harnessed for the common good, but alas.

One other angle I've seen is the legal status of the models. I think it's still unclear the degree to which a model trained on some dataset inherits the licensing, and I understand the reaction from contemporary artists to models that are laser-focused on replicating their particular style. Of course, it didn't have to be a problem, but since the way the system works is that everyone's under constant threat of homelessness and starvation, and that's not going away anytime soon, it's understandable.

Anyway, I guess I'm derailing the thread a bit. I'm happy to have a place to just share and enjoy this stuff with others who understand the issues.

e: And thanks for the help, both of you.

There is no such thing as a derail in the AI art thread, we've been here before and will be here again, and I honestly like talking and debating about the nuances of all the bits socially and production wise relating to AI as well as using it for fun stuff myself. Here though, not exactly in D&D or wherever, way too serious and not chill at all.

Re: 'the AI art guy' yeah I get that, but also gently caress em.
I feel pretty strongly about this sort of stuff in how it relates to the human condition, what I would argue is above artists being paid or jobs or livelihoods or whatever. Even at the most extreme base level, if someone I think is a dumbass poo poo types 'shrek' into one of these things and gets a bad, lovely, objectively (imho) terrible image out of it but they think its hilarious, how is that bad? Because I don't like them and I think their image sucks? Navigating this on the bleeding edge is absolutely stuffed with what I would consider is among the lamest, most tasteless, boring, creatively bankrupt uses of this technology with people making petabytes of 'pretty anime waifu' or making yet another awful meme image with zero imagination whatsoever, and you know what? I think that's just wonderful. Would any of these people actually commision traditional (whatever the poo poo that means) artists to create this stuff for them? A professional meme creator? Would they go through the motions themselves to learn to draw or paint or photo edit or write or make music? No, they wouldn't, because they have other things to do like go to work or raise their kids or deal with their mom or pay their rent or whatever it is that people have to deal with in their life. Some people dedicate their time and energy into becoming really great artists in whatever field, others don't have that luxury and weren't able to take out giant student loans to attend The Art Institute like me only to drop out because lmao ran out of people to borrow money from whoops! For me, being ~creative~ is just outputting something from your head through whatever means be it a microphone, a keyboard, pencil, soldering iron, whatever. A whole heap of people seem to be stuck on the ability to get things out of your head rather than whatever is in your head to begin with is true creativity and I disagree. A righteously respectable skill for sure and I've been fortunate to meet some incredibly skilled people in my life that are masters of getting things out of their head into whatever medium they happen to work with, but I don't think creativity should be gated behind those skills.
Now we have these LLMs and so too those are tools to let people output in more efficient ways. Anyone that wants to take that away from people is no friend of mine :colbert:

As for the legal status of the models, I get why people want to talk about it. As an art student in both highschool and college you know what we did? We looked at what artists did before and went "hey so here is post and lintel construction and baroque style and see what Warhol was doing here with the Campbell soup cans" and all that, you literally suck in all the artists before you into your brain and mix it up and see how you dump your poo poo out of your head and see what additions you make. Or in the case of college sometimes you literally copy other artists work directly and attempt to make an exact copy. Your senses dump everything into your head and remix it to output something new. And even more, you could create new works in the style of someone else and that's completely and legally OK! You can sell them and make an entire career out of cribbing someone's style directly and that's fine. Nobody has to, nor are they required to, ask permission to see anyone else art if that artists put it out there for you to use your eyes. Now that we've figured out not only how to train a computer in art like I was taught in school but also found out that a vast majority of people can't tell if something is made by a person alone or a person talking to a machine now some people have decided they have a problem with it, and every time it's always money related, their livelihood within our society. I don't have to ask permission but people have problems when a computer does it vs. a person and appeal to some nebulous spirituality about 'being real human'. But it always boils down to money.
Legally their might be a decision, but how do you enforce that? Practically, how do you tell one, an image is AI and two what degree it is AI vs. human? Lots of things I post in this thread have been touched my my human hands directly, does that count? Do we have a percentage? Are there rules for how long I have to draw on an image with a pen in order for it to be 'real'? We already have a bunch of false positives with not-AI images being declared AI anyway even though they aren't. It's arbitrary, weird, and there is zero way to actually declare AI vs. normal image, it's all pixels in the digital world, there are no fingerprints that can't be scrubbed. Moreover, it's too late, it's out there, the AI models and the means to train them and all the images on the internet. I can do it myself, alone with my internet connection and my GPU, train up my own model on whatever the poo poo I want. I don't need a big data cluster, I don't need a subscription, I don't need anything that isn't sitting in my office right at this moment. Plus, as was already mentioned, those artists that are trying to protect their style are out of luck since I can replicate their style all I want without AI, sell images and make a career out of doing that and it's fully OK as long as I don't pretend to be them or claim their work as my own or claim my work as theirs. Styles are not, and have never been, protected. Specific images, specific compositions, specific logos, yes. Styles? No, never. Now that a computer can do it doesn't change how we've done the style thing this whole time.

You remove the need for people to sell their art to survive in the societal hellscape we've created for ourselves and all these arguments vanish and then it becomes a grade school argument about who did what first instead and if something is original or not.


IN CLOSING you guys wanna watch a movie?

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

RIP Syndrome posted:

Cutaways are fun. I give you

quote:

detailed cutaway diagram of Bin Laden's Mountain Fortress, the complex of caves at Tora Bora is carved 1150ft into a 13000ft mountain and can accommodate up to 1000 people, caves are wired for light power and ventilation, complex includes offices bedrooms and communal rooms, secret exits to complex are guarded by steel doors and are booby-trapped, caves are cut deep inside the mountain to avoid the possibility of detection by thermal sensing equipment, valleys leading to the caves are heavily guarded by militiamen, system of ventilation ducts brings air into caves and provides alternative exits, exits are hidden behind rocks and mud walls, main entrance is through a 50ft tunnel wide enough for a car, arms an ammunition including stinger missiles are stored in underground armouries, hydroelectric power is generated from mountain streams, there have been reports that bin Laden has been moving around the area on horseback





Mine was star wars themed, but not enough apparently

quote:

detailed cutaway diagram of Bin Laden's Mountain Fortress, the complex of caves at Tora Bora is carved 1150ft into a 13000ft asteroid in space and can accommodate up to 1000 people, caves are wired for light power and ventilation, complex includes offices bedrooms and communal rooms, secret exits to complex are guarded by steel doors and are booby-trapped, caves are cut deep inside the mountain to avoid the possibility of detection by thermal sensing equipment, valleys leading to the caves are heavily guarded by stormtroopers, system of ventilation ducts brings air into caves and provides alternative exits, exits are hidden behind rocks and mud walls, main entrance is through a 50ft tunnel wide enough for a car, blaster rifles an ammunition including stinger missiles are stored in underground armouries, solar power is generated from nearby star, there have been reports that bin Laden has been moving around the area in spacesuit

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

quote:

detailed cutaway diagram of darth vader's asteroid Fortress, the complex of caves in the death star is carved 1150ft into a 13000ft asteroid in space and can accommodate up to 1000 people, caves are wired for light power and ventilation, complex includes offices bedrooms, interrogation rooms, garbage shutes, detention levels and communal rooms, secret exits to complex are guarded by blast doors and are booby-trapped, caves are cut deep inside the asteroid to avoid the possibility of detection by thermal sensing equipment, ventilation ducts leading to the caves are heavily guarded by stormtroopers and turboblasters, system of ventilation ducts brings air into caves and provides alternative exits, exits are hidden behind rocks and mud walls, main entrance is through a 50ft tunnel wide enough for a tie fighter, blaster rifles an ammunition including stinger missiles are stored in underground armouries, solar power is generated from nearby star, there have been reports that bin Laden has been moving around the area in spacesuit




cinematic aspect ratio

Hadlock fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Aug 3, 2023

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004




quote:

detailed cutaway diagram of jawas massive sand crawler on tattoine, the complex of caves in the sand crawler is carved 1150ft into a 13000ft crawler on tattoine and can accommodate up to 1000 jawas, caves are wired for light power and ventilation, complex includes offices bedrooms, droid storage, water storage, spare parts lockers, droid repair shops, water vaporator repair facilities, and communal rooms, secret exits to crawler are guarded by blast doors and are booby-trapped, caves are cut deep inside the crawler to avoid the possibility of detection by thermal sensing equipment, ventilation ducts leading to the caves are heavily guarded by droids and tusken raiders, system of ventilation ducts brings air into caves and provides alternative exits, exits are hidden behind rocks and mud walls, main entrance is through a 50ft ramp wide enough for a t-95 landspeeder, pod racers and ammunition including stinger missiles are stored in underbelly armouries, nuclear power is generated from nearby reactor, there have been reports that obi wan kenobi has been moving around the area with a lightsaber

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*

RIP Syndrome posted:

Cutaways are fun. I give you



Bin Lader Mountin Frountain Duct Caves!



lol did you use the New York Times (or whatever it was) original image for these with image2image?

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
I tried to get a cross-section of the interior of Jabba the Hutt, but I kept getting content warnings from MJ :mad:

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

feedmyleg posted:

I tried to get a cross-section of the interior of Jabba the Hutt, but I kept getting content warnings from MJ :mad:

jabba's palace

quote:

i didn't save it




quote:

detailed cutaway diagram of mos eisely spaceport on Tatooine, the complex of adobe buildings in the desert is carved 1150ft into a 13000ft canyon on Tatooine and can accommodate up to 1000 spacecraft, hangars are wired for light power and ventilation, complex includes cantinas, spacecraft repair facilities, droid storage, droid repair shops, water vaporator repair facilities, taverns, and communal rooms, secret exits to space port are guarded by blast doors and are booby-trapped, landing pads are cut deep inside the mountain to avoid the possibility of detection by imperial star destroyers, ventilation ducts leading to the spaceport hangars are heavily guarded by droids and bounty hunters, system of ventilation ducts brings air into hangars and provides alternative exits, exits are hidden behind rocks and mud walls, main entrance is through a 50ft blast door, wide enough for a corellian YT-1300 freighter or the millenium falcon, blaster rifles and ammunition including boba fett are stored in underground armouries, power is generated from nearby sarlacc pit, there have been reports that chewbacca and han solo has been moving around the area with a lightsaber


pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.





KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry


Communist Clown Car

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

quote:

a detailed cross section of Communist Clown Car with descriptions of various organs and rooms within his body; cinematic quality, cross section, diagram



Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!


Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004


quote:

a detailed cross section of picasso's Guernica with descriptions of various organs and rooms within his body; cinematic quality, cross section, diagram, havana, 1957



quote:

a detailed cross section of picasso's The Weeping Woman with descriptions of various organs and rooms within his body; cinematic quality, cross section, diagram, havana, 1957

Junk
Dec 20, 2003

Listen to reason, man. Why make your job difficult?
i need more dad weed

Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!


pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Nicodemus Dumps
Jan 9, 2006

Just chillin' in the sink

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
1990s "Sonic the Weedhog" Gamepro magazine advertisement for a game where sonic and tails smoke blunts and a LOT of weed with bloodshot eyes and there are marijuana leaves EVERYWHERE in the style of SEGA



pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


RIP Syndrome
Feb 24, 2016


Here for it.

Yeah, "AI art" should be normalized, and probably will be. There's one scenario I hope we'll avoid, one where there's an extension or "clarification" of copyright law that prevents the free use of it somehow while leaving loopholes for big companies with product EULAs effectively gatekeeping it. It's been done before. The DMCA took away our freedom to take apart our stuff and figuring out how it works, and it's still causing lots of damage. The incentives could align that way again if Disney and Adobe, or some other constellation of giants, pull in the same direction.

Mercury_Storm posted:

lol did you use the New York Times (or whatever it was) original image for these with image2image?

Nope, I just took the text blurbs from it and typed them into the prompt, then did a few variations. SD gives more priority to the beginning of the prompt, so I did style guidance there, e.g. "cutaway diagram, finely detailed wall poster by frank soltesz" and played around with the ordering. For instance, I moved "bin laden ... horseback" up on some of them in attempts to get horses and a portrait inset. Long prompts tend to confuse SD, so what actually ends up in the picture is a crapshoot, and everything also becomes more vague and diffuse with so much text. In my experience, you get better quality with a short prompt. But I wanted to see what a Bin Laden Mountain Fortress would've looked like if actually real and not a complete fantasy!

RIP Syndrome fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Aug 4, 2023

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