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Good news! We've reduced shipping sulphur pollution by like 80 percent! Bad news, it makes global warming worse  quote:Regulations imposed in 2020 by the United Nations's International Maritime Organization (IMO) have cut ships' sulfur pollution by more than 80% and improved air quality worldwide. The reduction has also lessened the effect of sulfate particles in seeding and brightening the distinctive low-lying, reflective clouds that follow in the wake of ships and help cool the planet. The 2020 IMO rule "is a big natural experiment," says Duncan Watson-Parris, an atmospheric physicist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. "We're changing the clouds." There's a pre-print here: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-813/
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So lets start burning it again then, easy innit?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/08/02/southamerica-record-winter-heat-argentina-chile/quote:It’s midwinter, but it’s over 100 degrees in South America  quote:It’s the middle of winter in South America, but that hasn’t kept the heat away in Chile, Argentina and surrounding locations. Multiple spells of oddly hot weather have roasted the region in recent weeks. The latest spell early this week has become the most intense, pushing the mercury above 100 degrees Fahrenheit, while setting an August record for Chile.
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His Divine Shadow posted:So lets start burning it again then, easy innit? If we're going the geoengineering route, that no poo poo seems to be a good way to get started quickly. We already have the delivery mechanism (ships and maybe other stuff that runs on oil). Downside is it gives people cancer, a lot.
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Acid rain too. Sulfur is bad. All the ships have changed over and the supply chain is now set up for low sulfur. It was a big deal that took a long time and we should absolutely not go back to high sulfur fuels.
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Aug 3, 2023 16:25
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We shouldn't be going the BAU + geoengineering route at all.
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Adding salt to clouds seems like a uh... not well thought out idea.
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Let's start controlled burning large scale to increase cloud coverage for global dimming and keeping more carbon in the soil https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/12/211223113102.htm quote:More carbon is stored in the world's soil than in the global vegetation and the atmosphere combined. I'll start
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His Divine Shadow posted:So lets start burning it again then, easy innit? going from a sci friday episode for several weeks or months ago, I think some solution might be for ships just to get a powerful as gently caress hose and just spray water and make a water mist(which might become "seeds" for clouds? not sure if what SciFri was talking about is the same thing as this Salt Cloud injection thingy.
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By far the most realistic geoengineering solution is just to inject sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere by aircraft. It's got a lot of problems and a lot of unknown unknowns - still firmly in the "wtf don't do it" camp. However, it is easily realizable, and would cause significantly less human health effects than removing the sulfur regulations in shipping. SO2 has a relatively long residence time in the stratosphere, making it more effective and reducing concentrations at ground level. Of course, the cooling effect ceases within a couple years of stopping the injections, and it does nothing for ocean acidification.PhazonLink posted:going from a sci friday episode for several weeks or months ago, I think some solution might be for ships just to get a powerful as gently caress hose and just spray water and make a water mist(which might become "seeds" for clouds?
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cat botherer posted:It's not the worst idea, but it would only seed clouds around shipping lanes. That’s most everywhere except the poles. https://www.insider.com/map-of-global-shipping-interactive-2017-12
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Use aircraft to disperse high sulfur jet fuel. Bit like a chem trail. Double points for putting infertility drugs into it.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Acid rain too. Sulfur is bad. All the ships have changed over and the supply chain is now set up for low sulfur. It was a big deal that took a long time and we should absolutely not go back to high sulfur fuels. For special agriculture goods like christmas trees acid rain is actually good, it prevents needle fungus and reduces the need of sulfur fertilizer. Yeah, for almost all other reasons it is bad.
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Guys I have a better idea We should cease burning fossil fuels
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Slow News Day posted:Guys I have a better idea I'm doing my part by exclusively using Uber Eats and Amazon Prime so that my car is unused.
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smoobles posted:I'm doing my part by exclusively using Uber Eats and Amazon Prime so that my car is unused. tyfys 
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am i missing the thatsthejoke? havent ride share and gig worker apps increased cars on roads and miles driven? and amazon's delivery trucks are inefficent because they decided to be techbros and try to reinvent various logistic stuff
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Mega Comrade posted:Well the first guy said by 2025, the news ones posted are saying by 2050. Which is it? We can never know until we have destructively tested n>=400 earths. Until then, our conclusions will not be statistically significant, checkmate doomailures 
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PhazonLink posted:am i missing the thatsthejoke? It's the thought that counts (it better be or we're hosed)
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PhazonLink posted:am i missing the thatsthejoke? You might have a point there:  (close to where I live)
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Bummed out that I'm not going to experience the life where I wake up at 7am, enjoy a small breakfast of inexpensive and healthy high-fiber toast that hasn't had everything remotely nutritious and filling beaten out of it, head out my door to catch a streetcar at 7:30, show up early enough to my union job to sit at a park across the way for a few minutes, work in a manner that is intellectually engaging and socially rewarding without constantly fearing nonsense reprisals or my employer going under suddenly because some failson capitalist did something stupid without union reps keeping tabs on things, walk home after my day with a good balance of breaks and lunch time, catch someone on the way back and have a drink, and go do whatever I want for the rest of the afternoon and evening in my utopian walkable city. Nope, I need to live in ExtractionLand, where you either inherited a place to live in a walkable city or you're paying still-ridiculous-but-hypothetically-affordable rent in a car city or suburbs to be forcefully isolated as a default and take a car 15 minutes for every tiny errand. Spontaneity is replaced by planning literally everything a few days in advance if I want to have any hope of not wasting every breathing second in a car. Woohoo I love what our grandparents and parents did to America, I sure am not chomping at the bit to radically change our infrastructure and society when they finally loving die and we get a chance to maybe unfuck even a FEW of the massive disasters they've created.
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Yeah, "rare." Like the "once every century" storms that happen once a month now. https://wtop.com/maryland/2023/08/maryland-reports-malaria-case-in-dc-region-not-tied-to-travel-first-in-over-40-years/ Until it becomes commonplace and we start seeing ads for designer anti-malarials during every commercial break.
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The nasty one is going to be flesh eating bacteria. Baltimore has got that already. It’s been killing waterfront folks on the Chesapeake for several years to a decade now. Warm brackish water is a Petri dish. It’s quick as gently caress too.
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I feel like once white people start getting malaria the government will spend 1 trillion dollars and a cure/vaccine will be developed in 8 months
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There is an effective malaria vaccine you just can’t get it. https://mrdc.health.mil/index.cfm/media/articles/2021/first-ever_malaria_vaccine_has_roots_in_army_medical_research
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smoobles posted:I feel like once white people start getting malaria the government will spend 1 trillion dollars and a cure/vaccine will be developed in 8 months Why cure something that can simply be leveraged as an unofficial corporate tax on everyone? 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Why cure something that can simply be leveraged as an unofficial corporate tax on everyone? We really have reached end-stage capitalism at this point. Nobody can afford anything except the super rich, and once they realise they're only selling to each other, the whole thing will come crashing down. I only hope it's not too late to avert or slow the warming process.
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i don't think climate change is man made. the earth goes through phases. for example the ice age.
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TheMuffinMan posted:i don't think climate change is man made. the earth goes through phases. The ice age lasted 450,000 years, the current warming has taken less than two centuries. The problem is not that it's happening, it's the speed at which it's happening: it's being accelerated by human activity and gives no time for the ecosystem to adapt.
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Adapting or not. Our current climate is much, much more desirable than Pliocene unless you want the planet to be giant tropical oasis.
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TheMuffinMan posted:i don't think climate change is man made. the earth goes through phases. Climate change denial should be prosecuted, and over here immediately perma'd
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Vitamin Me posted:Climate change denial should be prosecuted, and over here immediately perma'd 
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Let me stomp this before it goes off the rails. Muffin Man's position is one that is often encountered in the wild, and is incorrect. Seeing the "argument" and refuting it serves the purpose of D&D. Everyone is free to dunk on it with factual information or to ignore it. If it starts going round and round and derailing the thread, then mod action will be taken, but we are not there yet. Any more posts talking about whether climate change denial posts should get probated/banned will themselves be probated. Any more posts denying climate change without additional, reputable sources to back up the claim (good luck) will also be probated.
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The existence of seasons does not refute that my house gets warmer when i turn the furnace on. It's not a valid argument.
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The only people I've met who make any kind of argument about climate change not being real or not being caused by humans are comfortable middle class Republicans with nearly non existent (or carefully curated partisan) sources of information. They don't really care or want to know, or they got the real truth from fox News and drudge report (would it be brietbart now? Don't keep up with RWM). Less economically comfortable detractors tend to be more in the HAARP weather control! - or- it's third world countries, we need to look out for "ourselves" (racist nationalism basically) -or- yeah we're probably hosed but trump is funny and will take care of me! First camp will pretend to be the sensible adult in the room, while the second is comfortable retreating to the safety of memelord lulz why so serious poo poo. The former seems to take themselves more seriously than the latter. Maybe when you've got a house and pool and boat it's easier to just assume you're clever and correct in a FYGM way.
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p. sure that was a low-effort troll. The "climate's changed before" thing is something only the dumbest say at this point. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Inferior Third Season posted:Let me stomp this before it goes off the rails. In the interest of preventing the garbage argument merry-go-round, would it help to index common misconceptions/refutations of said points in the OP (as the thread progresses, not all at once) so we can point people that way instead of derail discussions? Maybe quote the original post and refuting posts there? This post has a lot of information (which is great) but little speaking to exact queries. I only mention this as a spitball solution because it seems like this is happening quite often in D&D threads of late, and the solution clearly can't be to punish people exhausted by pretending that extremely wrong stuff is worth discussing ad nauseam.
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The solution is to punish people exhausted by pretending that extremely wrong stuff is worth discussing ad nauseam. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The beatings will continue until morale improves. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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never said climate change wasn’t happening just dont think its man made the earth goes through phases. More CO2 means a lot more algae? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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