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Doe any other streaming services have "Drooling Idiot protagonist with negative charisma" shows lined up? Between fired on Mars and Captain Fall, I'm starting to worry this might be a trend.
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Praise Petey has avoided that so far, but it's not particularly amazing either.
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Aug 2, 2023 02:52
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Pararoid posted:Disenchantment will end after the next 10 episode block, dropping on Sept 1st. Same, it's a show that on paper should be great but they really just never figured out what they wanted to do with this. Half of the time it was an episodic sitcom, half of the time they were trying to do some grand serialized story, and neither of them really worked. The fact that all three of the main characters' personalities became essentially interchangeable over time really didn't help things either.
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Aug 2, 2023 02:56
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It also didn't help like anytime Bean got progress, poo poo went back south and it just pisses me off the anatognists keep getting the upper hand everytime.
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Aug 2, 2023 03:01
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A.o.D. posted:Doe any other streaming services have "Drooling Idiot protagonist with negative charisma" shows lined up? Between fired on Mars and Captain Fall, I'm starting to worry this might be a trend. Oh, Fired on Mars is bad? That's a shame. Didn't look that amazing in previews but the premise seemed pretty original and I was hoping it'd be better (or at least get better with time) than initially.
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Aug 2, 2023 03:13
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A.o.D. posted:Doe any other streaming services have "Drooling Idiot protagonist with negative charisma" shows lined up? Between fired on Mars and Captain Fall, I'm starting to worry this might be a trend. Final Space followed that formula, too. God, I loving hated that show. Add in "pathetic loser fixates on beautiful, intelligent capable woman and Stockholm Syndromes her into loving him" and you have Groening's entire animated career.
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Aug 2, 2023 03:14
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In my opinion the biggest problem with Disenchantment is how it could never stick to one status quo before just changing things up again.
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Aug 2, 2023 03:14
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Yeah, that was a major problem. Is it high fantasy, with magical races? Is it eldritch horror with ancient secret conspiracies? Is it steampunk with wacky technology? I'm sure there's a way you could have woven all that together, but the show went out of it's way not to.
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Aug 2, 2023 03:16
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TwoPair posted:Oh, Fired on Mars is bad? That's a shame. Didn't look that amazing in previews but the premise seemed pretty original and I was hoping it'd be better (or at least get better with time) than initially. It's not bad, it's a pretty effective satire.
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Aug 2, 2023 04:03
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New Justice League: Warworld animated movie is out. It has a hiding-a-watch-in-your-rear end joke.
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TwoPair posted:Oh, Fired on Mars is bad? That's a shame. Didn't look that amazing in previews but the premise seemed pretty original and I was hoping it'd be better (or at least get better with time) than initially. I liked it. It’s loving brutal. Bleak.
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Aug 2, 2023 04:43
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TwoPair posted:Oh, Fired on Mars is bad? That's a shame. Didn't look that amazing in previews but the premise seemed pretty original and I was hoping it'd be better (or at least get better with time) than initially. Fired on Mars is surprisingly good. I think it pretty much got better with every episode.
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Aug 2, 2023 04:47
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Megillah Gorilla posted:
In fairness to Groening, Homer and Marge really didn't have that dynamic until he was long gone from the show.
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Aug 2, 2023 04:48
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Final Space followed that formula, too. God, I loving hated that show. Final Space had the issue of being a really silly absurdist comedy that occasionally switched to a super serious and dramatic tone. Which is the same issue disenchantment suffered from. Along with having a Not Leela, a way more possessive and creepy Fry, and a boring literal and figurative 2-dimensional version of Bender.
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Aug 2, 2023 04:57
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Final Space thought randomness was funny for far too much of it.
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Disenchantment has a lot of problems, but the interchangeability of its three leads might be the most egregious. Comedy should be rooted in its characters. That’s what makes classic Simpsons and early Futurama so good. Everyone is very well defined. In Disenchantment, every lead is a sarcastic, boozy jerk with a soft side. This could potentially work if the rest of the setting played off this (like Always Sunny), but that’s just how everyone acts all the time. The characters only exist to say jokes and stumble through the plot. If you actually asked me to define the leads, I could not. Abbi Jacobson, Eric Andre, and Nat Faxon are all comedic powerhouses, but they aren’t bringing much to the table. Simpsons and Futurama stacked their casts with the most talented voice actors in the business when they were in their prime. Now they’re all very old which is a huge reason neither of those shows works anymore. Fry’s personality doesn’t really work when he’s voiced by a septuagenarian. And Disenchanted just feels like an even lazier late-Futurama. There’s just nothing to hold onto. It tries to tell grandiose stories but there’s no point when I don’t care about the characters. There are always good jokes here and there, but not enough to make it worth watching. I had high hopes when it was announced, but it just never really clicked. There’s just a soul that’s missing at the center.
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I might’ve been able to look past the character squishiness if I understood what fantasy poo poo they’re trying to parody. Feels like the writers didn’t even like the setting
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Aug 2, 2023 05:21
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Final Space was a show written for people who cry at Marvel movies
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I never finished the show but Final Space seemed indecisive on whether it wanted to be a comedy or a drama, and instead of deftly combining the two, it whipped between one and the other in this really off-putting way.
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No, it definitely knew it wanted to do both. I didn't enjoy the comedy, but its drama was... Does anyone remember those grotesque Clone Wars fan comics where Ahsoka meets up with Anakin and her face is just 40% anguished tear drops? The drama was that.
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MokBa posted:Disenchantment has a lot of problems, but the interchangeability of its three leads might be the most egregious. Comedy should be rooted in its characters. That’s what makes classic Simpsons and early Futurama so good. Everyone is very well defined. In Disenchantment, every lead is a sarcastic, boozy jerk with a soft side. This could potentially work if the rest of the setting played off this (like Always Sunny), but that’s just how everyone acts all the time. The characters only exist to say jokes and stumble through the plot. If you actually asked me to define the leads, I could not. Very much so. When the literal demon from hell, the innocent elf child and the spoiled tomboy princess are all interchangeable within any plot beat you know there's a problem.
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TwoDayLife posted:Fired on Mars is surprisingly good. I watched Fired on Mars and by the end I decided that the scenes that featured the protagonist the least were the best.
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Well, this discussion timed itself well. And by "well" I mean, "well I suppose the final season trailer for Disenchantment just came out" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9XrFzLYi-Y
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Very much so. I remember watching the first trailers and thinking that the show would be about a princess who goes on adventures with two friends, one of which is the little devil who encourages her to do bad and/or risky things, and the little elf who tries to be the voice of reason and help her rein things in. And then I remember being so baffled when I actually started watching the show and saw no, that's not the case at all, they're all barely the same. The choices that the creators have made with this have just constantly confused me the entire way through, considering all that it had potentially going for it. Megillah Gorilla posted:Well, this discussion timed itself well. The entire time I was watching this I was just thinking, "Yeah. Sure. Why not."
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Well, this discussion timed itself well. "What would you say if I told you the worst is yet to come?" Well, that's the general trend of this show so far, yes
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Aug 3, 2023 10:25
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I have been out of the loop since the end of season one, but did they just show off a modern day city and a robot suit?IBroughttheFunk posted:The entire time I was watching this I was just thinking, "Yeah. Sure. Why not." 
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Due to a cruel twist of fate, this show happened to be when I was simultaneously introduced to Abbi Jacobson, Eric Andre and Matt Berry. And for each and every one I had to go through a process in which I rediscovered each one separately, and was genuinely surprised to find them all to be fantastically hilarious in their own ways. And each and every one of those times, I found myself thinking in some way "God drat it, Disenchantment. " I think that I still think a little too much about the show because I feel like it honestly could have been something. But instead it has consistently been a confusing mess that was never really sure about what it wanted to be, and did a good job of wasting a lot of what it had. IBroughttheFunk fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Aug 3, 2023 |
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:I have been out of the loop since the end of season one, but did they just show off a modern day city and a robot suit? One of the other kingdoms is a steampunk one with more modern tech.
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claw game handjob posted:"What would you say if I told you the worst is yet to come?" lol
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The show would be such a big improvement if Elfo was never in it or that he actually stay deadThat being said seeing as I hate myself i’ll watch the last season.
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I remember when a friend introduced me to Final Space and I loving hated Gary for most of the first season. Somehow, it got better, and the second season was a vast improvement over the first. I will say this, it went big for the sad moments, maybe they didn't always land or there was a bit too much whiplash BUT I will take that over the majority of disarming quips and jokes we get in most mainstream media these days
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Aces High posted:I loving hated Gary for most of the first season. Same although I never made it to Season 2. He was just such an unlikeable rear end in a top hat and I remember thinking if they let him swear I might have liked him a little better. I couldn't stand the almost swearing they did. I also couldn't stand him doing the weird dating thing where the love interest hates him with every fiber of her being yet slowly gets ground down because he won't take no for an answer.
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Shindragon posted:The show would be such a big improvement if Elfo was never in it or that he actually stay deadThat being said seeing as I hate myself i’ll watch the last season. Honestly, it should have been focused on the king instead of Bean. He is the best character by far. Every time I was enjoying the show, the king was involved in the scene in some way.
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Aug 3, 2023 21:03
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Honestly, it should have been focused on the king instead of Bean. He is the best character by far. Every time I was enjoying the show, the king was involved in the scene in some way. It's nice that he actually gets a character arc throughout the series.
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muscles like this! posted:One of the other kingdoms is a steampunk one with more modern tech. And, far more importantly, is run by an eccentric inventor voiced by Richard Ayoade. It's unreal how this show managed to waste such a stacked cast.
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Aces High posted:I remember when a friend introduced me to Final Space and I loving hated Gary for most of the first season. Somehow, it got better, and the second season was a vast improvement over the first. Yeah, iirc the second season is where Adult Swim kinda forced the creator to inject a little more humor and while I'm normally against networks interfering with creators' work... season 2 is the best part of the whole series.
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I didn't end up finishing the last season of Final Space, and now it's guess it's a nightmare to try, but it was weird that it worked best when it was just doing a Sci-Fi adventure. Gary's monkeycheese humor was tough to get past and only sort of worked after Season 2 retconned the context a little. Which was also sad because the show could nail jokes when it wasn't just having people scream and be random. But all the Cookies! stuff made it a hard recommendation. I also just found out that I didn't even bother to watch the 4th season of Disenchantment and I don't remember season 3 other than the steampunk twist. Yeah, what a waste of talent. Not good at just doing actual comedy, but bad at doing the dramatic beats and adventure stuff that it wants to do.
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Disenchantment needed to A: not have Elfo be as weird and gross as he is and B: not be as serialized and essentially be a fantasy version of Futurama. Fry being lovelorn towards Leela is fairly endearing, mostly because he isn't so absolutely thirsty about it and downright charming in a lot of ways. Elfo otoh, is just a pervert and a creep towards Fern
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By the time Fry starts making moves on Leela I got the impression that they're already both into each other and know it, Leela just didn't want to commit. It's still dragged out and feels like it goes on forever especially if you are binging the show today, but it was never really totally not mutual.
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mycot posted:By the time Fry starts making moves on Leela I got the impression that they're already both into each other and know it, Leela just didn't want to commit. It's still dragged out and feels like it goes on forever especially if you are binging the show today, but it was never really totally not mutual. One of the consistent things even really early on (Worm Episode springs to mind) is that Fry absolutely can charm Leela if he was a more mature/capable/consistent version of himself, importantly it's still himself. The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings is another good episode showing this off, Fry isn't a different person, he's just more capable of things he already wants to do and be (Holophone). The problem was never Fry as a person, it was Fry's level of maturity when Leela wants a stable dependable partner.
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