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Invalid Validation posted:Demandred in coin armor is one of the things that has seared into my mind. That and him just constantly yelling for Rand while he’s loving off in a valcano. That and the three whip crack blows and "who are you?"
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Rarity posted:Just means they need to do extra Forsaken Coffee Hours Please!
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Hexel posted:Right. Her and Sando and Maria review scripts and make suggestions but they have no veto power. Otherwise we’d never have had to experience the travesty of Laila Aybara Ugh just remembered that. Was going to do a rewarch but man that is certainly putting an obstacle to that.
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Aug 3, 2023 13:13
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:That and the three whip crack blows and "who are you?" Just reading this gives me goosebumps. So good.
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Aug 3, 2023 13:30
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Shageletic posted:Ugh just remembered that. Was going to do a rewarch but man that is certainly putting an obstacle to that. Laila is an ancient word from Manetheren meaning fridge.
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Aug 3, 2023 13:42
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I gotta reread AMOL again because this is how Demandred is in my head (speaking to Rand ofc). 
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Aug 3, 2023 14:12
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It's also, heartbreakingly, Gideon the Ninth.
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Aug 3, 2023 15:06
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I'm trying to picture how they'd film that prologue when Demandred goes into the mountain to talk to the Dark One, but in my imagination the DO's ALL CAPITAL LETTER VOICE sounds like Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget when he's shouting so I'm having a hard time taking them seriously.
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Fobby posted:I'm trying to picture how they'd film that prologue when Demandred goes into the mountain to talk to the Dark One, but in my imagination the DO's ALL CAPITAL LETTER VOICE sounds like Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget when he's shouting so I'm having a hard time taking them seriously. Gonna have to figure it out for the final confrontation anyway so might as well start brainstorming now
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Aug 3, 2023 17:30
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Fobby posted:I'm trying to picture how they'd film that prologue when Demandred goes into the mountain to talk to the Dark One, but in my imagination the DO's ALL CAPITAL LETTER VOICE sounds like Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget when he's shouting so I'm having a hard time taking them seriously. https://youtu.be/4X8xqmu5Uyw
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Aug 3, 2023 20:11
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Fobby posted:I'm trying to picture how they'd film that prologue when Demandred goes into the mountain to talk to the Dark One, but in my imagination the DO's ALL CAPITAL LETTER VOICE sounds like Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget when he's shouting so I'm having a hard time taking them seriously. It's a pity Tony Jay is dead, The Transcendent One is a p good example
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Aug 3, 2023 20:22
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I was not prepared for this.
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Aug 3, 2023 20:26
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Fobby posted:I'm trying to picture how they'd film that prologue when Demandred goes into the mountain to talk to the Dark One, but in my imagination the DO's ALL CAPITAL LETTER VOICE sounds like Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget when he's shouting so I'm having a hard time taking them seriously. Never saw the full movie, but Benedict Cumberbatch’s Smaug from the Hobbit trilogy sounded the right combination of deep and grindy when I listened to the trailers.
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Aug 3, 2023 20:31
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I would go absolute silence w black screen, put the words on the screen like he’s seeing them on inside of eyelids, mb end the scene with loud roaring or feedback like all the sound coming in at once at the end. please do not cast some weird guy yelling at me, tia
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Aug 3, 2023 20:39
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Patrick Stewart in full Captain Picard mode
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Aug 3, 2023 21:01
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since they didn't make the dragon a woman, perhaps the dark one's voice will be
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buffalo all day posted:I would go absolute silence w black screen, put the words on the screen like he’s seeing them on inside of eyelids, mb end the scene with loud roaring or feedback like all the sound coming in at once at the end. please do not cast some weird guy yelling at me, tia Make the dark one sound like Xerxes from System Shock 2.
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Aug 3, 2023 21:52
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I'm unexpectedly on-board with this.
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Fobby posted:I'm trying to picture how they'd film that prologue when Demandred goes into the mountain to talk to the Dark One, but in my imagination the DO's ALL CAPITAL LETTER VOICE sounds like Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget when he's shouting so I'm having a hard time taking them seriously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dioZmKCFNOU buffalo all day posted:I would go absolute silence w black screen, put the words on the screen like he’s seeing them on inside of eyelids, mb end the scene with loud roaring or feedback like all the sound coming in at once at the end. please do not cast some weird guy yelling at me, tia This is better tho
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Aug 4, 2023 09:12
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buffalo all day posted:I would go absolute silence w black screen, put the words on the screen like he’s seeing them on inside of eyelids, mb end the scene with loud roaring or feedback like all the sound coming in at once at the end. please do not cast some weird guy yelling at me, tia There's no way a show that is so rushed with all the poo poo they're trying to cram in is going to put 15 minutes worth of reading on the screen every time someone goes to shayol ghul
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Aug 4, 2023 10:18
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thrawn527 posted:Honestly, my biggest hope for the show is they keep the Demandred reveal exactly as it was. It was my biggest, "Holy poo poo" moment of the entire series. Just boom, Shara out of loving nowhere, shifting the entire balance of power in the Last Battle. Give him a mask. Say that Demandred was horribly maimed by Lews Therin in a battle. And then just have Demandred show up in bits and pieces everywhere around the World. Demandred shows, removes the mask and it turns out that entire story was a fiction he made up specifically to gently caress with the other Forsaken and make them believe he was everywhere at once. idk, I think it's doable.
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Aug 4, 2023 13:25
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Even easier, use him to introduce the Mirror of Mists. He can be a different actor every time, because he's too cagey to appear under his own face.
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Natural 20 posted:Say that Demandred was horribly maimed […]And then just have Demandred show up in bits and pieces everywhere around the World. They find his arm in Seanchan, a foot in Arad Doman…
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Gnoman posted:Even easier, use him to introduce the Mirror of Mists. He can be a different actor every time, because he's too cagey to appear under his own face. Oh yeah that definitely works and it would be really interesting to see how each actor portrays the same personality. latinotwink1997 posted:They find his arm in Seanchan, a foot in Arad Doman… A head at the Field of Merrilor..
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2/3 of the way thru Crown of Swords and other than being intensely aware of how slow everything is compared to the last couple books I'm also really getting irritated about the sexual politics around sexual assault in it. We have like three points of view of people who have suffered it/are suffering it and I'm including Mat and Tylin here as well. That one is especially foul because I think we're supposed ti see the power differential between them and Tylin literally starving and backing Mat into a bed as....humorous? When it's actually some gross rear end poo poo. And Jesus lay off Morgase already. Her plot line is just to be hosed up I guess. It's not pleasant reading, is what I'm saying.
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Aug 4, 2023 17:46
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I don't disagree at all. Jordan was going for some pretty heavy topics, and in a very 90s way for the Tylin stuff.
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Jordan knew exactly what he was doing with Mat/Tylin, it mirrors very real attitudes towards sexual assault of men by women
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Shageletic posted:2/3 of the way thru Crown of Swords and other than being intensely aware of how slow everything is compared to the last couple books I'm also really getting irritated about the sexual politics around sexual assault in it. All that aside, CoS has imo the single funniest scene in the series -- where Nynaeve and Elayne thank Mat for saving them -- and for that I can forgive much.
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Aug 4, 2023 18:22
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Very much so, it's that so many people think, for example, Elayne laughing it off means it's supposed to be humorous, that means he didn't make it clear enough to the reader.
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Aug 4, 2023 18:23
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It definitely comes off as men can’t be sexually abused by women. Jordan doesn’t exactly condemn it much so if he was making a statement about it being wrong it was half assed.
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Aug 4, 2023 18:27
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In the 90s you were allowed to present a bad thing happening in a way that showed it was dehumanizing and traumatic without someone solemnly intoning “and that’s why this is bad” at the end to make sure people who aren’t media literate got the point.
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Idk it just feels like the author himself doesn't think it's too bad. First of all how much time it's spent, and also Mat just being annoyed but giving in anyway. Jordan is just such an especially adroit and sensitive writer when it comes to trauma that it's a little bit of a blindside , both for for Mat/Tylin and Morgase.
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buffalo all day posted:In the 90s you were allowed to present a bad thing happening in a way that showed it was dehumanizing and traumatic without someone solemnly intoning “and that’s why this is bad” at the end to make sure people who aren’t media literate got the point.
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I think the best that can be said is "there was an attempt." It wasn't really great and missed the mark in a lot of important ways, but I can see what he was trying to do with it, in line of his general theme of role reversal, etc.
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Shageletic posted:2/3 of the way thru Crown of Swords and other than being intensely aware of how slow everything is compared to the last couple books I'm also really getting irritated about the sexual politics around sexual assault in it. yeah, that's the start of the slog, and that plotline was one of the worst he wrote
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Aug 4, 2023 21:06
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The only thing worse than that plot is the inevitable slapfight over how bad it is
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Gwaihir posted:I think the best that can be said is "there was an attempt." It wasn't really great and missed the mark in a lot of important ways, but I can see what he was trying to do with it, in line of his general theme of role reversal, etc. Yeah I'm still on the high after rereading this series and finding it way more psychologically complex than I remember. It's also funnier than I remember. Nynaeve is straight up hilarious. I hope the TV show remembers to include that as well.
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I think that people feeling gross and using that feeling gross as proof that Jordan messed it up are sort of missing the point of an author putting in gross stuff to make you feel gross about a thing. Like, I'm not convinced he was trying to say deep thoughts about the view of women sexually assaulting men, but saying "reading that was really lovely" is proof against your claim, not for it.
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CainFortea posted:I think that people feeling gross and using that feeling gross as proof that Jordan messed it up are sort of missing the point of an author putting in gross stuff to make you feel gross about a thing. Writing unpleasant things meant to be unpleasant is a thing Jordan excels at. Basically Rand has been violated and pretty much raped by Alanna, and despite the characters in story trying to deny it, it's plain that Jordan is trying to get across the horrible nature of it. Mat being chased by a Queen and literally being kidnapped to get hosed is played off as a joke. And it doesn't work. The intentionality of the plot breaks down somewhere. Authors don't bat a 100 and it's OK to criticize when something they do doesn't work.
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The attitude of 'Oh you got sexually assaulted by woman? How lucky!' is still incredibly prevalent towards male victims in modern society and the fact that everyone laughs off what Tylin is doing to Mat is entirely the point. Jordan's intent is not to minimise, it's to show that everyone else does. The reader is supposed to recognise how hosed up this situation is.
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