i say swears online posted:

so was the latin america bloc of amlo, petro, lula, castro, ortega etc

Votskomit posted:

Never heard a fascist say this about LGBTQ people:
https://twitter.com/STACGMediaHouse/status/1687316686737723392?t=Mn03Sh1yfz3POgN9WTPSeA&s=19

Check out their constitution, specifically the 7 cardinal pillars which they promote most strongly:
https://effonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FINAL-EFF-CONSTITUTION-02.03.2020.pdf

There's lots to criticize Malema for, but fascism doesn't seem accurate.

Atrocious Joe posted:

BrutalistMcDonalds do you have anything on the EFFs international orientation or relationships with Western capital. the criticism seems to be that the EFF is encouraging state bailouts of an element of the national bourgeoisie that include Malema as a member. That seems like evidence that Malema is a turncoat, but not necessarily a fascist? Is development of a national bourgeoisie not part of the point of a bourgeoise state in a semi-colonial country? The SACP being in coalition with a bourgeois government for decades seems like they support the development of a national bourgeoisie.

Malema might be a former leftist youth leader who is now a millionaire and friends with gangsters. Ramaphosa is a former union leader who is now a millionaire and helped shoot striking miners in the back. Why is one of these guys a proto-fascist and the other fine to support?

I'm including an article on the Gupta case because the articles posted about the EFF say they are part of a process by certain bourgeois elements to "capture the state." The phrase "state capture" has been used a lot in the Gupta case as well. To me it mostly seems to mystify the class forces at work and turn competition between different parts of the bourgeoisie into a narrative of corruption. A sort of lawfare over economic policy.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/14/gold-mafia-helped-gupta-brothers-in-south-africa-state-capture

Like, I don't know if the Gupta's are being demonized because they are Indian, or if they really were a lynchpin of the extraction of wealth from South Africa. If Malema is basically a project of saying the stolen wealth should stay in South Africa it certainly isn't socialist, but it seems better than Zuma's style of letting it be sent abroad.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Oglethorpe posted:

not gonna hold my breath that it isn't just lip service (very good lip service) to get the backing of others while the situation is still unstable

Votskomit posted:

Or is there some powerful pro lgbtq tendency in south Africa they need to satisfy that I'm not thinking of?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Votskomit posted:

Do active protests and putting LGBTQ rights in your member-voted constitution count as lip service?

https://twitter.com/NMANews1/status/1643193082429440003?t=zLCirvyfOgu7FqK9KF1W2w&s=19

If they wanted to do the populist calculation of paying lip service to gain support, they would've been anti LGBTQ, anti immigration, xenophobic, and followed the other fascists trends that are growing in south Africa. The fact that they are going against the popular grain in south Africa on those issues gives me the impression they're not really doing this for support.

Or is there some powerful pro lgbtq tendency in south Africa they need to satisfy that I'm not thinking of?

Votskomit posted:

Do active protests and putting LGBTQ rights in your member-voted constitution count as lip service?

https://twitter.com/NMANews1/status/1643193082429440003?t=zLCirvyfOgu7FqK9KF1W2w&s=19

If they wanted to do the populist calculation of paying lip service to gain support, they would've been anti LGBTQ, anti immigration, xenophobic, and followed the other fascists trends that are growing in south Africa. The fact that they are going against the popular grain in south Africa on those issues gives me the impression they're not really doing this for support.

Or is there some powerful pro lgbtq tendency in south Africa they need to satisfy that I'm not thinking of?

i say swears online posted:

specifically for immigration, malema was elected leader of the ANC youth wing in April 2008, and the next month kicked off the biggest anti immigrant riots that I can remember in the country

quote:

BREAKING: Niger Coup: Nigerian senators reject Tinubu’s request for troops deployment
President Mohamed Bazoum was deposed on 26 July in a coup led by his presidential guards.
By Bisi Abidoye August 5, 2023

Senators have rejected the request by President Bola Tinubu for permission to deploy Nigerian troops to Niger Republic as part of an ECOWAS force to reinstate the democratically elected president of the country,

President Mohamed Bazoum was deposed on 26 July in a coup led by his presidential guards.

ECOWAS leaders at a meeting in Abuja four days later gave the coup leaders a seven-day ultimatum to restore constitutional order or face the possible use of force. The regional body imposed sanctions on the coup leaders with Nigeria also cutting electricity supplies and closing its borders with the poor West African nation.

Following the refusal of the coup leaders to backtrack, West African defence chiefs said they had drawn a plan for military action as part of which President Tinubu wrote the Senate for permission to involve Nigerian troops in the action.

However, at an executive session on Saturday, the senators rejected the request by the president.

According to a senator who attended the meeting, senators agreed to pass a resolution condemning the coup and to commend ECOWAS leaders on their efforts to restore constitutional order in Niger, but they ruled out military options.

“Almost all the senators spoke and totally ruled out the military options because of many factors and also because of the harmonious relationship that Nigeria and Niger has always enjoyed.

“Senators instead urged President Tinubu to intensify negotiation with the coup leaders by again sending a high-powered delegation to Niamey. Someone suggested that elderstatemen like Obasanjo, Gen Ali Gusau and Abdulsalam Abubakar should be sent as special envoys to dialogue and seek a diplomatic solution.

“Senators opposed to military action pointed out that our military is highly ill-equipped and not prepared to fight any war.They said that we have fragile peace in Nigeria and that Niger is the highest arms market in Africa.

“Senators believe that the Federal Government should focus on solving the Boko Haram, banditry and ESN/IPOB menaces ravaging the country instead of contemplating going to war in a foreign country. ”

Over 90 per cent of senator who spoke are vehement against sending troops/military action,” PREMIUM TIMES gathered.

The senator said Senate President Goodswill Akpabio appealed to the lawmakers to endorse the steps President Tinubu had taken so far, but they vehemently rejected the appeal.

Senators were saying that they will pass a resolution condemning the coup, but on the issue of going to war with Niger, it is a no go area.”

The Senate has now returned to plenary where they are expected to pass a resolution on the issue.

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/614494-breaking-niger-coup-nigerian-senators-reject-tinubus-request-for-troops-deployment.html

Tankbuster posted:

ah well, you see there are always going to be more indian petit bourgeoisie that need to be stomped flat.

Tankbuster posted:

there isn't an anti LGBTQ constituency in south africa.

i say swears online posted:

specifically for immigration, malema was elected leader of the ANC youth wing in April 2008, and the next month kicked off the biggest anti immigrant riots that I can remember in the country

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

You keep saying "Bonapartist" like it's a bad thing and not historically progressive.

Votskomit posted:

South Africa likes to sell itself as this rainbow nation, but we were an openly fascist state 30 years ago. That ideology doesn't die overnight.

Here's a good article with some stats that show the contradiction between the pro-equality legal system, compared to the largely homophobic population:

https://saiia.org.za/youth-blogs/hate-crimes-against-members-of-the-lgbtqia-community-in-south-africa/

For a lot of Africans who tend socially conservative, homosexuality is seen as a deviant import by the Whites. It's why a lot of the Russian anti woke messaging works here.

For a lot of white South Africans who yearn for apartheid, homosexuality is seen as a deviant import by the communist liberals. It's why a lot of the Fox News anti woke messaging works here.

Most of the queer Africans I know are staunchly pro EFF, or disappointed in the EFF for being too mild on the pro LGBTQ messaging, because other parties are worse. From my limited experience, most of the gains for LGBTQ rights in ZA has been due to the constitutional court ordering it, rather than a party pushing for it.

drat. I don't remember that. I searched now and all I can find is him saying immediately afterwards that the youth league is against xenophobia and that he apologises for... Something?

https://mg.co.za/article/2008-05-30-youth-mobilise-against-xenophobia/

What did he do?

i say swears online posted:

lol owned. tinubu's party, the APC, controls the senate, but is mostly muslim and northern-based. niger threatened cross-border actions if any plan for force was approved so that could have waved them off

i'm not an expert on the riots but iirc the main targets were zimbabwean day laborers. the indian middle class have walled houses and probably would be more insulated, and i don't think are technically considered 'immigrants' in south africa since many have been there generations

Frosted Flake posted:

I'm confused about the winning coalition of the latest Ethiopian civil war breaking down so quickly. The Oromo and Amhara are the largest and also fought on the same side of the Tigray war?

Plutonis posted:

Do not google "Bonaparte reinstated Slavery"

Atrocious Joe posted:

so think of Ethiopia as a post-imperial state that had the monarchy disposed. after the TPLF and Eritreans won the civil war in 1991 Ethiopia has had internal states split along ethnic/national/linguistic borders. many of those states have regional armed forces that are also ethnic forces.

feel free to use Austria-Hungry and it's successor states as a comparison.

there were Oromo on both sides of the war. Some serving in the Ethiopia National Defense Force and one Oromo rebel group, the Oromo Liberation Army, fought alongside the TPLF. Some Amhara were in the ENDF and others were organized into regional forces or popular militias known as Fano.

the breakdown of the anti-TPLF alliance is because Abiy said he was going to disarm regional forces. This conflict and the Tigray war are as much about centralization as they are about national questions.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/dd_geopolitics/status/1687703045424193536?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/sajid_nadeem78/status/1687721211516616705

Abiy is doing to amharas what he did to Tigray. Funny how the table turns

Intel Slava Z posted:

🇳🇪🇷🇺 Meanwhile in Niger

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status/1687991789926359040

crepeface posted:

man, the US really is the nexus for every scumbag in power

i say swears online posted:

tiktok rules

quote:

Gen. Omar Tchiani had protected Niger’s leaders for 12 years, with a unit of some 700 elite soldiers backed by armored cars. Tchiani’s unit had stopped a coup attempt against Bazoum days ahead of his inauguration. As Bazoum built up the country’s counterterrorism forces, Tchiani’s guard lost out on resources and stature. The president had been weighing for months whether to fire the 57-year-old general, according to people familiar with the matter.

At 3 a.m. on July 26, the general’s men drove up to the presidential palace, a white stucco arabesque estate overlooking the Niger River. Inside, gazelles and goats slept in the manicured gardens, animals Bazoum and his wife brought with them when he took office.

Tchiani’s men, carrying heavy weaponry, disarmed security officers equipped only with handguns and walked past the presidential garden to Bazoum’s residence.

Bazoum fled into the safe room across the hall from his office and phoned aides to say he was confident that U.S.-trained elements of his army would rally to his rescue.

In a twist, some of the best U.S.-trained special forces among Niger’s regular army units were on counterterrorism missions in the distant desert regions of a country twice the size of Texas, with few roads.

The lightly armed units in the capital weren’t in a position to assault the palace and the chain of command broke down. Rank-and-file soldiers said they debated over WhatsApp groups what to do. They received no formal instructions from their commanders, who appeared to be waiting to see which faction had the momentum. Bazoum, who still had full control of his communications in the safe room, phoned international allies and ambassadors in Niger’s embassies in the West. He stressed over phone and video calls that the coup had no basis—it was a personnel dispute and could easily be reversed. His U.S. envoy rushed to let the State Department know what was happening.

Though the U.S. had spent hundreds of millions of dollars transforming Niger into its top military outpost in the Sahara, it didn’t have an ambassador in the country.

The Biden administration didn’t formally nominate one until eight months after the previous ambassador left, only to face opposition from Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.), who has put holds on State Department appointees until the White House releases intelligence he believes could show Covid-19 leaked from a Chinese lab.

Washington also has no ambassador at the African Union or in neighboring Nigeria—or anybody in a special envoy post that it had created to deal with the region’s deterioration. The Africa desk at the National Security Council was in flux, held by a short-term temporary post that was due to hand off to another temporary caretaker within days.

i say swears online posted:

tiktok rules

i say swears online posted:

WSJ put out a pretty big article. paywall free link

https://archive.ph/MNsi0