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Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

thetoughestbean posted:

PHMO: Women consume just as much porn as men, it’s just bought from the Romance section at your local bookstore or from AO3

username/post combo?

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Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
I have seen one F&F movie, I saw it in the theater, and it’s impressive how little I remember about it. Something about border crossing tunnels?

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Grassy Knowles posted:

username/post combo.

alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019


Grassy Knowles posted:

username/post combo?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.
built in bookcases should be a standard feature in houses and apartments

Aramek
Dec 22, 2007

Cutest tumor in all of Oncology!
I also hate books.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
Beagle is a nice breed of dog right? What are your beagle opinions? Someone I know got a beagle as their first dog.

Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022

doverhog posted:

Beagle is a nice breed of dog right? What are your beagle opinions? Someone I know got a beagle as their first dog.

I grew up with one. They're very sweet, have distinctive and polarizing voices, and are maybe the least intelligent animal I have ever encountered. Very safe choice.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

doverhog posted:

Beagle is a nice breed of dog right? What are your beagle opinions? Someone I know got a beagle as their first dog.

They’re great, very friendly, just need a little exercise, and howl.

Shithouse Dave
Aug 5, 2007

each post manufactured to the highest specifications


doverhog posted:

Beagle is a nice breed of dog right? What are your beagle opinions? Someone I know got a beagle as their first dog.

I had a senior one and she was lovely and sweet, had the LOUDEST baying bork, really poor recall so couldn’t be off-leash, and would try to hump her miniature dachshund sister. Very, very nose-driven. Smells are much more interesting than whatever human wants them to be doing.
It’s probably better if you have a young one and train it properly, consistently and stick to your training rules.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



It’s unethical to use animals as weapons, either for attacking or defense.

Also, someone go back in time and breed out whatever it is that makes my dog bark at anyone who comes to the door, I never gave her that job and she should stop doing it pro-bono

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Snowy posted:

Also, someone go back in time and breed out whatever it is that makes my dog bark at anyone who comes to the door, I never gave her that job and she should stop doing it pro-bono

Agatha Christie posted:

"It's a matter of reasoning," said Poirot. "The dog, he argues from reason. He is intelligent; he makes his deductions according to his point of view. There are people who may enter a house and there are people who may not - that a dog soon learns. Eh bien, who is the person who most persistently tries to gain admission, rattling on the door twice or three times a day - and who is never by any chance admitted? The postman. Clearly, then, an undesirable guest from the point of view of the master of the house. He is always sent about his business, but he persistently returns and tries again. Then a dog's duty is clear, to aid in driving this undesirable man away, and to bite him if possible. A most reasonable proceeding."

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Ohtori Akio posted:

and are maybe the least intelligent animal I have ever encountered.

*points at King Charles spaniel with its head stuck in a watering can. Again.

Snowy posted:

Also, someone go back in time and breed out whatever it is that makes my dog bark at anyone who comes to the door, I never gave her that job and she should stop doing it pro-bono

I loved our rescue greyhound. I could probably count on my fingers the number of times he barked in the five years we had him.

He was a smart dog. Working dogs and highly trained dogs are clever, but a smart dog realises he's going to get fed anyway and does gently caress all.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

This rules.

Aramek
Dec 22, 2007

Cutest tumor in all of Oncology!
gently caress yeah Poirot.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin
I’ve never had the trajectory of my life changed by a work of art, no matter how much I enjoyed it, so I’m always pretty skeptical when people say that a piece of fiction changed their life. I feel like a description of how the person’s life changed is needed

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
What did change the trajectory then? Were you never exposed to much art? I was reading novels in elementary school and it certainly effected me.

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thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

doverhog posted:

What did change the trajectory then? Were you never exposed to much art? I was reading novels in elementary school and it certainly effected me.

I’m on my second year working at a bookstore and I got the job thanks to my love and deep knowledge of manga, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but there was no single series or work that put me on that path. It came from watching Saturday morning cartoons, most of which were dubs of children’s anime, and then finding out that they were based on comics, and then voraciously reading any manga or webcomic I could get my hands on.

I also read a lot of Terry Pratchett as a kid—Discworld was formative for me but I can’t say it changed my life more than any other experience.

What I can comfortably say changed my life was a series of mental health crises that kept me from successfully pursuing higher education and delayed my entering the workforce for a number of years. I am lucky enough to have parents who can support me as I steadily get back on my feet.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
yeah dude you're reading manga lmao almost nobody had their life changed because of children's media.


read actual literature - Murakami is fantastic if you need it to be from Japan to satisfy your weeb urges.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
'Wow I can't believe people had their lives changed by art. I only consume avatar:air bender fan art btw'

Lmao

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

Captain Monkey posted:

yeah dude you're reading manga lmao almost nobody had their life changed because of children's media.


read actual literature - Murakami is fantastic if you need it to be from Japan to satisfy your weeb urges.

Two notes: manga is not exclusively for children and there are a great deal of manga that tell emotionally mature stories for adults. My favorite that I’ve read recently is Ikoku Nikki, or Otherworld Diary, a story about a teen girl who moves in with her estranged aunt after her parents die and them struggling to learn to live together.

Secondly, I sell literature for a living and I’ve never made a sale by insulting someone and belittling their interests before suggesting that they read a proper book for adults.

All you’re doing is coming across as an rear end in a top hat

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
Yeah he seemed needlessly hostile.

First books I read were things like Enid Blyton's stuff (translated to finnish), first one that had a lasting effect that I can name and describe/defend if necessary, Lord of the Rings, or maybe Narnia.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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thetoughestbean posted:

I’ve never had the trajectory of my life changed by a work of art, no matter how much I enjoyed it, so I’m always pretty skeptical when people say that a piece of fiction changed their life. I feel like a description of how the person’s life changed is needed

So the media you've consumed has had zero effect on any of the decisions you've made? It doesn't have to be seeing a single painting that breaks your brain and causes a complete 180* shift in your life for it to have changed something.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

thetoughestbean posted:

Two notes: manga is not exclusively for children and there are a great deal of manga that tell emotionally mature stories for adults. My favorite that I’ve read recently is Ikoku Nikki, or Otherworld Diary, a story about a teen girl who moves in with her estranged aunt after her parents die and them struggling to learn to live together.

Secondly, I sell literature for a living and I’ve never made a sale by insulting someone and belittling their interests before suggesting that they read a proper book for adults.

All you’re doing is coming across as an rear end in a top hat

ok. enjoy goku and naruto while wondering why it doesn't mean anything to you

edit: like this is def a bit tongue in cheek, but I just don't get how someone can say 'no art has any meaning or can change a person's life, btw I only watch cartoons' and take themselves seriously. Bojack, as a random example of 'cartoon not for children', was a sad and funny examination of intergenerational trauma, but it wasn't exactly a medium conducive to affecting a person deeply.

If you want to have art change your life, dive into deeper art.

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Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

plenty of people have had their lives changed by fiction, they call themselves 'christians'

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Captain Monkey posted:

like this is def a bit tongue in cheek, but I just don't get how someone can say 'no art has any meaning or can change a person's life, btw I only watch cartoons' and take themselves seriously. Bojack, as a random example of 'cartoon not for children', was a sad and funny examination of intergenerational trauma, but it wasn't exactly a medium conducive to affecting a person deeply.
I think actually you're the weird one here for claiming that cartoons can't be deep or affect people. What is it about cartoons (or, since you include comics, I guess the entire medium of illustration?) that you think makes them inherently inferior to live action video or novels or whatever else?

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

Atticus_1354 posted:

So the media you've consumed has had zero effect on any of the decisions you've made? It doesn't have to be seeing a single painting that breaks your brain and causes a complete 180* shift in your life for it to have changed something.

I think I’m being misunderstood here. I don’t think art is meaningless—a good portion of my life has been spent consuming and trying to find good art, just in the mediums I enjoy. But I’ve never encountered a singular piece of art that has made me think I’ve changed as a person because I’ve experienced it. I’m confused by people who say stuff like “this book changed my life” and the like, because it’s never been something to happen to me, regardless of the medium. I did say that I owe my job to one of my passions—that’s not nothing! But it’s, like I said, something that has been built up in the long term, not because of any piece in specific.

Captain Monkey posted:

ok. enjoy goku and naruto while wondering why it doesn't mean anything to you

edit: like this is def a bit tongue in cheek, but I just don't get how someone can say 'no art has any meaning or can change a person's life, btw I only watch cartoons' and take themselves seriously. Bojack, as a random example of 'cartoon not for children', was a sad and funny examination of intergenerational trauma, but it wasn't exactly a medium conducive to affecting a person deeply.

If you want to have art change your life, dive into deeper art.

I do engage in deep art, just not in mediums that you approve of. I’m frankly confused why you think I’ve said that art has no meaning? There’s lots of works that are meaningful to me, that aren’t works meant for children.

And you know what? Some of them are meant for children, and that doesn’t affect their value one bit. You’re being a gigantic snob.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

thetoughestbean posted:

I’m on my second year working at a bookstore and I got the job thanks to my love and deep knowledge of manga,

LOL,

no let me rephrase that

LMFAO

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

steinrokkan posted:

LOL,

no let me rephrase that

LMFAO

What’s so funny about liking a medium? It helps me at my job. I can make good recommendations and recognize titles that customers are asking for that my coworkers don’t have the context for.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


I dunno it's just funny

alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019


Manga is belittled because Americans are racist as gently caress and percieve only a parody of Japan as mediated through weaboo culture, that as a fetish tends to amplify weird fetishism within Japanese Manga culture.

e: yes most westerners are racist as gently caress too

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alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019


Personally, the manga series My Lesbian Experience With Loneliness hit me hard. IDK if it changed my life but it helped me deal with stuff that was happening to me at the time because of my disabilities and afflictions that I had almost no control over. I don't think it changed my life but her revelations were extremely useful poo poo that helped me work through my stuff

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

thetoughestbean posted:

I’ve never had the trajectory of my life changed by a work of art, no matter how much I enjoyed it, so I’m always pretty skeptical when people say that a piece of fiction changed their life. I feel like a description of how the person’s life changed is needed

When I watcvhed the movie "Goodburger" I discovered that there was a place in the movie for both smart comedy and important dramatic stakes and that as it was now clear that these things didn't need to exist in separate mediums, they didn't need to exist in different partitions of my life.

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

I, for one, cannot wait until my mid life crisis in 20 years when manga finally clicks and it changes my life completely.

My milquetoast opinion is youtube comments are good and cool. not always, but often enough. examples of good youtube comments:
-under any popular song you have comments about how much the song means to the commenter. usually something to do with childhood or a past loved one.
-when everybody does a silly meme and write variations of the same comment. i.e. under this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9oe1rULG3A
As a man who often gets lost on YT, thank you to the NYPD for doing this. This should happen in cities all across the US.." etc.
-when somebody in the comments misunderstands something in the video, and its like 45 replies trying to correct them but really the misunderstanding itself was quite silly and funny. i remember under a video where the guy from myth busters was being shown nerd replicas of han solo's blaster and a commenter thought it wasn't a voice over, that a guy was just talking at him for the entire video non stop. it made the video v. funny in a way i cannot explain.
-just any really funny highly upvoted comment that makes you feel your reaction to the video is OK and normal haha. like under some intensely niche or complicated video (say, on a science topic) and the comments are all like "thank you for a lil bit of confusion" or something, ok that wasn't a v. funny comment but yeah.

I distinctly remember when youtube first started feeling 'above' the youtube comments for some reason. maybe i thought it was all normies or idiots. turns out they were, but i'm also a normie and an idiot so hey.
e:

Rick posted:

When I watcvhed the movie "Goodburger" I discovered that there was a place in the movie for both smart comedy and important dramatic stakes and that as it was now clear that these things didn't need to exist in separate mediums, they didn't need to exist in different partitions of my life.
and that mini golf that hurt ya face!

Lampsacus has a new favorite as of 11:11 on Aug 12, 2023

alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019


PHUO: I don't think any art is invaluable but I do think western viewpoints tend to deliberately hold up art that is either inaccessible, obtuse, or mind-numbingly boring as kind of a superiority complex type deal. As if the accessibility of art or the fact that it may be interesting or might impart value to children and adults alike is something that devalues it.

Like, e.g. there are a lot of interesting film-making techniques used in the Marvel movies wrt. how they handle character development and showcase smaller aspects of the characters that the plot can't really bring out, and they make good studies for how film language has changed over time, but like obviously everyone who likes or appreciates a Marvel film is a bumfuck drooling manchild because those films are accessible to everyone.

Or how science fiction / genre literature has a long history wrt. framing and pulling out interesting social and moral dilemmas and predicting the majority of the modern day social problems and technology we use, but of course it's all worthless trash because the writers weren't all sesquipedalian blowhards and instead we should all jack off to War and Peace, which is good because it makes you depressed and you need a notebook to figure out who the gently caress is who.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
The stupid idea that anything that isn't comic-book based is esoteric, inaccessible elitist junk is a garbage notion in itself. Pretty much everything that is held up as pretentious and deliberately obscure is perfectly accessible, understandable and relatable, the only difference is that it isn't actively being shoved in your face, so it requires the barest minimum of token effort to find a copy, and also that it's stigmatized by a culture that's largely internalized consumer conformism.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

alexandriao posted:

Like, e.g. there are a lot of interesting film-making techniques used in the Marvel movies wrt. how they handle character development and showcase smaller aspects of the characters that the plot can't really bring out, and they make good studies for how film language has changed over time, but like obviously everyone who likes or appreciates a Marvel film is a bumfuck drooling manchild because those films are accessible to everyone.

The problem with this is two-fold. And I'm going to preface this by saying that I like the Marvel movies. There are some stinkers in there and I stopped trying to keep up with the universe when they started doing the TV shows, but it's largely a good time. That being said

First off, there actually aren't that many interesting filmmaking techniques in the Marvel movies. In terms of the meat and potatoes filmmaking, lighting, blocking, cinematography, etc. they are pretty bland.

The second issue is how low the standard of "Accessible" has gotten. The highest grossing movie in 1957 was Bridge on the River Kwai, a three hour long movie about a prisoner of war camp. When it was first shown on TV a decade later, half of the population of the US watched it. 2001: A Space Odyssey was the second highest grossing movie the year it was released. Back in the 80s and 90s there were these movies called "legal thrillers" which were all about lawyers holding up important documents in wood-paneled offices, and they were very popular and often among the highest grossing movies of the year.

All those movies were accessible. We know that because of how many people accessed them. But recently there's been this redefinition of accessible to mean only superhero movies for children. And there's nothing wrong with superhero movies for children, I like superhero movies for children. But if you, as an adult, primarily watch superhero movies for children to the extent that regular movies for grownups that were mainstream hits 30 or 40 years ago feel "inaccessible" to you, then that's a genuine problem. Your ability to enjoy and appreciate art has been retarded.

Nobody is saying you need to watch El Topo or Santantanga to be a respectable movie watcher. But you should watch stuff like Moonlight, or 12 Angry Men, or some other movie made for grownups that doesn't set up the next feature in a cinematic universe.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

"For grownups" means "makes you feel bad". When people talk about "movie for grownups!" they never mean any of the fun ones, just the ones about middle-aged people being sad or a maybe a downer mob/crime movie.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Byzantine posted:

"For grownups" means "makes you feel bad". When people talk about "movie for grownups!" they never mean any of the fun ones, just the ones about middle-aged people being sad or a maybe a downer mob/crime movie.

This is truly toddler mindset, especially considering the movies mentioned in the post.

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Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Byzantine posted:

plenty of people have had their lives changed by fiction, they call themselves 'christians'

you know who else came back from the dead to save everyone....

that's right, goku

edit: also lol @ it being suggested I'm racist because I said 'maybe read something that isn't a comic book if you're looking for art meaningful enough to change your life'

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