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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:So you see, that's where the trouble began. That smile. That damned smile. Perfect
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Synder could use a dragon movie. Owl movie needed to be longer so we could see an owl team up to snap a dragon neck.
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H'Raka was pretty close. She was a Kryptonian-Barsoomian Dragon.
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He also had an actual dragon. In Sucker Punch. It was dope.
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Snowman_McK posted:He also had an actual dragon. In Sucker Punch. It was dope. That's right  Time for me to watch Sucker Punch again...
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Snowman_McK posted:He also had an actual dragon. In Sucker Punch. It was dope. Oh dang that’s right. Makes sense why we have all been thinking about dragons now. One day we will get directors cut of sucker punch.
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Alexander Hamilton posted:The 28 Days Later discussion reminded me of Sunshine, another Boyle/Garland collaboration, which is probably the first movie I ever saw that I loved way more than everyone else I knew. Man of Steel was the second. I'm a big fan of the Sun as a metaphor, apparently. Sunshine is easily in my top 10, maybe top 5 movies ever. Everything just clicks so well for me and it was near perfect. Also when I realized Chris Evan’s rules.
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Snowman_McK posted:As in, it aims to be a very straightforward genre film. It's not trying to challenge conventions, narrative or stylistic. It's not a measure of quality. Sure, the hobbits are straightforward fantasy. Not sure how you're reaching the second conclusion there, all the framerate stuff and increasingly complex sfx would seem to qualify. At some point you're gonna have to lay out this formula, otherwise we won't know how Desolation of Smog (or Tekken or w/e) "fail" it. RBA Starblade posted:Well, they aren't very tall It's Peter "White's Only" Jackson's fault the hobbits can't jump Bogus Adventure posted:Wherever they set the bar, they really missed clearing it. Those three movies somehow made me like LOTR less. That's understandable. I've never quite understood fans who feel the hobbits are some sort of departure from lotr; style, tone, amount of character+ plot changes from the books, etc - they're the same! Megaman's Jockstrap posted:It's Verminthrax Pejorative and I bet Zack Snyder would agree with me (I know that Guillermo Del Toro does) 💯
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Blood Boils posted:That's understandable. I've never quite understood fans who feel the hobbits are some sort of departure from lotr; style, tone, amount of character+ plot changes from the books, etc - they're the same! Both The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy are a strange combination of corny quaintness of having regular people as protagonists and action, where you have the heroes singing silly songs one moment while fleeing giant spiders the next. The LOTR movies still remembered that (especially in Fellowship), although they leaned more toward the action as the movies progressed. However, they still kept that quaintness of normal people (like Sam carrying Frodo when the latter was too weak to continue). The Hobbit trilogy just minimized most of those corny moments, and tried to turn it into a big action extravaganza. For me, the most memorable parts of The Hobbit are when Bilbo is just a homebody trying to use his wits to escape seemingly impossible situations (like his riddles with Gollum and encounter with Smaug). The fact that they tried to turn it into another massive war film with cameos by Galadriel and Legolas (lmao) just felt like it was missing the point. However, I did like Balin, everything involving the city of Dale, and Smaug. Benedict gave a great performance as the dragon.
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Is there a good edit of the Hobbit films out there?
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Topher Grace edited all of them down into one two hour movie but I don't think he ever made it available online.
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Alexander Hamilton posted:The 28 Days Later discussion reminded me of Sunshine, another Boyle/Garland collaboration, which is probably the first movie I ever saw that I loved way more than everyone else I knew. Man of Steel was the second. I'm a big fan of the Sun as a metaphor, apparently. Sunshine is a masterpiece! MoS is funny because I see the flaws but the parts I love are so awesome, I don’t care.
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PriorMarcus posted:Is there a good edit of the Hobbit films out there? No. Watching a "Book Edit" made it very, very clear that outside of the first act, there just isn't anything to salvage. It's rotten to the core.
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https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/zack-snyder-original-flash-movie-plan-jay-olivaquote:Zack Snyder’s Secret Plan for a Flash Trilogy and Surprise Supervillain, Revealed
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Yeah in retrospect it's so lame that they took like they one interesting hook from the Flashpoint story (Professor Zoom is who went back in time to murder Barry's mom) and just made it a home invasion.
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I'm sorry I cannot for the life of me imagine taking a "Professor Zoom" seriously lmao is his superpower being fun in online meetings?
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RBA Starblade posted:Tell me, do you buffer?
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Simply Simon posted:I'm sorry I cannot for the life of me imagine taking a "Professor Zoom" seriously lmao is his superpower being fun in online meetings? Professor Zoom, or as he's known in his personal life, Jeffrey Toobin.
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I think the true surprise reveal is that Professor Zoom has been loving with Barry by loving with WB and the DC cinematic universe plans...
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Simply Simon posted:I'm sorry I cannot for the life of me imagine taking a "Professor Zoom" seriously lmao is his superpower being fun in online meetings? The name of the character is The Flash, what do you want?
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"I'm not going to call you Professor Zoom, that's ridiculous." "Well, you can call me by my first name if you want." "What's that?" "Eobard." "So anyway, Professor Zoom..."
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Point is, everything Snyder related sounds like it'd have been a great get compared to what we are experiencing.
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Blood Boils posted:Sure, the hobbits are straightforward fantasy. Not sure how you're reaching the second conclusion there, all the framerate stuff and increasingly complex sfx would seem to qualify. Look, I've tried to explain it about three times now and you're not getting it. Either I'm completely wrong or I'm just terrible at explaining it so I'm going to drop it. feedmyleg posted:No. Watching a "Book Edit" made it very, very clear that outside of the first act, there just isn't anything to salvage. It's rotten to the core. I'm going to disagree here. In the battle scenes in the first and third film, and in some of the mirkwood scenes, in the set pieces from the book, you can see something good: A goofy, over the top, highly stylised take on the story. There's a shot from the battle flashback in the first one as the armies meet, backlit by the sun, that could be straight out of 300. The 'Twirly Whirlies' the Dwarves use to shoot down the Elven arrows (that, of course, disappear straight after, like all the other cool ideas) I can easily imagine appearing in Warhammer Fantasy Battle or DnDs more steampunk settings. The bit where Legolas decapitates 200 orcs while hanging upside down from a giant bat would be great as a Mel Brooks bit if he was parodying the Romance of the Three Kingdoms or something. There are flashes of an enjoyable film, one where Bilbo, worried his audience is getting bored, is constantly making poo poo up and exagerrating. But they're stuck in the same movie as an imperfect recreation of Lord of the Rings' lived in fantasy realism, the hobbit book's generally more whimsical, fairy tale tone, and also a grim movie where all the good guys are constantly threatening to kill each other if the other betrays them, plus stuff that only works as a prequel to LOTR and whatever the gently caress Alfred was supposed to be. Also the whole thing is 9 loving hours long. It's a film with an incomplete vision so for every scene where they had a good idea for it and executed it well, there's five others that either sort of worked but were quite clearly just a 'good enough' execution from people who didn't have enough time or energy. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Aug 5, 2023 |
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PriorMarcus posted:Is there a good edit of the Hobbit films out there? I watched a 4 hour cut a little while that I enjoyed well enough. I didn't mind the films as is though, so YMMV!
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The first two were fine imo but I hated part three. And even the second one the rushed nature of their production really started to show towards the end.
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Hobbit trilogy has good scenes that don't add up to good films.
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Snowman_McK posted:I'm going to disagree here. In the battle scenes in the first and third film, and in some of the mirkwood scenes, in the set pieces from the book, you can see something good: A goofy, over the top, highly stylised take on the story. There's a shot from the battle flashback in the first one as the armies meet, backlit by the sun, that could be straight out of 300. The 'Twirly Whirlies' the Dwarves use to shoot down the Elven arrows (that, of course, disappear straight after, like all the other cool ideas) I can easily imagine appearing in Warhammer Fantasy Battle or DnDs more steampunk settings. The bit where Legolas decapitates 200 orcs while hanging upside down from a giant bat would be great as a Mel Brooks bit if he was parodying the Romance of the Three Kingdoms or something. There are flashes of an enjoyable film, one where Bilbo, worried his audience is getting bored, is constantly making poo poo up and exagerrating. But they're stuck in the same movie as an imperfect recreation of Lord of the Rings' lived in fantasy realism, the hobbit book's generally more whimsical, fairy tale tone, and also a grim movie where all the good guys are constantly threatening to kill each other if the other betrays them, plus stuff that only works as a prequel to LOTR and whatever the gently caress Alfred was supposed to be. Also the whole thing is 9 loving hours long. All of that feels like evidence supporting my point. There's flashes of goodness in it, yes, but the point is there's no separating the good from the bad. There's no salvaging it in an edit because there's nothing to salvage. Even the "good scenes" aren't wholly good, and no edit can make them be so. No matter how much of the cheese you slice off, it's still all got mold in it. The tone and approach is just a fundamentally bad fit for the material.
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The only attempt I made at watching the Hobbit was when my wife's coworker invited us over for a viewing of the first film when the second was releasing, and I fell asleep for most of it. It was like a Saturday morning cartoon told by the production team from Lord of the Rings. No tension, no drama, action had no weight to it. Just things happening on screen for the sake of happening.
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Well-put. Instead of just going with a light and breezy tone like the book, they went with an incredibly cartoony zany tone which they tried to balance out by also going darker and ended up with a total whiplash of a trilogy.
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also its incredibly loving boring for very large stretches. lee pace as a pissed off genderfluid elf king with a sick moose mount was really good though
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shoeberto posted:The only attempt I made at watching the Hobbit was when my wife's coworker invited us over for a viewing of the first film when the second was releasing, and I fell asleep for most of it. It was like a Saturday morning cartoon told by the production team from Lord of the Rings. No tension, no drama, action had no weight to it. Just things happening on screen for the sake of happening. Real insult to Saturday morning cartoons, those actually have enough breezy excitement to keep kids interested for 20 minutes. It's grown-up entertainment that thinks it has to be dull and plodding to be taken seriously.
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What is this, a hobbit moon. Apparently Man of Steel trailer played before the first hobbit film. I think I remember that…
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I enjoyed everything about the shark orc in the Hobbit, who only spoke black speech and was so headstrong that he didn't even like to listen to Sauron. You can really root for this character, especially if you dislike most or all of the dwarves, and be rewarded for your investment.
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I saw BvS for the first time this weekend (the long version) and thought “wow, this movie is fantastic, no wonder you guys are so frustrated all the time” And it is frustrating to me too, now. Like with Lex Luthor, particularly: a lot of the criticism I’ve read of his portrayal doesn’t really engage with how Classic!Luthor couldn’t really work in the movie. Batman is already taking up the space where most of his motivation might be— if Lex and Bruce are too similar then it starts to warp the story. They have to be very different or the movie starts to become about that comparison. You can’t just start changing individual bits of a movie like that and expect the whole structure to hold.
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Aside from the ultimate edition making the facts of Luthor's puppeteering a little too straightforward, my main complaint about BvS is that Lex should've just had his hair fall out "naturally" from exposure to cosmic horror rather than getting it shaved off in prison.
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Ferrinus posted:Aside from the ultimate edition making the facts of Luthor's puppeteering a little too straightforward, my main complaint about BvS is that Lex should've just had his hair fall out "naturally" from exposure to cosmic horror rather than getting it shaved off in prison. Him standing before doomsday with Charlie brown hair
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I mean, Kryptonite is radioactive growth from another planet. It makes a certain kind of fairy tale sense if his obsession with destroying Superman begins to corrupt him physically, starting with hair loss from Kryptonite exposure. I think a few versions of the character have actually gotten full-on cancer from it too.
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Robot Style posted:I mean, Kryptonite is radioactive growth from another planet. It makes a certain kind of fairy tale sense if his obsession with destroying Superman begins to corrupt him physically, starting with hair loss from Kryptonite exposure. I think a few versions of the character have actually gotten full-on cancer from it too. Yeah, the comics once and the DCAU had Lex get cancer from carrying unshielded Kryptonite around all the time. It's even foreshadowed in the DCAU; the World's Finest teamup involved a 'jade' dragon statuette that turned out to be made from Kryptonite, whose owners had all died mysteriously. I think Smallville also has Lex's hair fall out from exposure to Kryptonite. It's a fun little touch and I think possibly a riff on how casually Kryptonite was treated in the Silver Age, also in the age of radium makeup and such. They've also played with how Kryptonite can be used other than to harm Kryptonians (even besides abovementioned Smallville using it as an all-purpose plot device like Red Kryptonite) like as a power source, hence Metallo being a powerful threat particularly to Superman but also to everyone else due to being basically a Kryptonite-powered cyborg.
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