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BRJurgis posted:No I don't think that's right. It certainly depends where you work at least, but you don't even need to take it there for that to be wrong. yea if you can't learn to relate to this you end up alienating yourself and probably either getting more exploited or becoming more the exploiter.
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No. Suffering does not build character. We mentally benefit from aspirations, creating, and projects yes, but the goal of socialism should be to lessen the burdens of all.
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BRJurgis posted:No I don't think that's right. It certainly depends where you work at least, but you don't even need to take it there for that to be wrong. What benefit is there to going above and beyond? 99,9% of employers will not reward you for it in any way whatsoever. Doing something uncomfortable because I have to? That's called staying alive under capitalism and we are all doing it 24/7.
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i don't mean to toil life away do it part time for a summer or whatever. yah it makes some schmuck rich on your work but that's all work. the alternative is that people with means to avoid dull repetitive work will never do it & I think that is not conducive to empathy and value of what those workers actually do everyone should have to work a lovely 8 hour job sometime because those jobs aren't going to go away. it just means only specific people will do them. so why not have every kid do them as a first job Antonymous has issued a correction as of 00:15 on Aug 6, 2023 |
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Yeah I guess most jobs suck and its probably gonna suck more. Still in any theoretical functional world (or history) we're going to need to work hard one way or another, or rely on somebody who does. Like this machine we built perverts the idea of progress, but the benefit to like... the spirit (?) of enduring something can still be likened to strengthening the body by ("needlessly") lifting weights. Don't wanna throw that away. BRJurgis has issued a correction as of 00:24 on Aug 6, 2023 |
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Every lovely job I've had wasn't lovely because of the work, it was because they were trying to squeeze every cent of value out of me while giving the least amount back Maybe instead of forcing everybody to work a lovely job we should force the people making the jobs lovely to not do that
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Dog Case posted:Every lovely job I've had wasn't lovely because of the work, it was because they were trying to squeeze every cent of value out of me while giving the least amount back No, better things aren't possible. So we should inflict the suffering we had on the young, it will build character.
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yah but unironically. down to the countryside movement
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work isn't gonna be great sometimes. it can get a whole lot better but sometimes you're gonna have to hit the pedal to the metal to battle the capitalists or the weather. stakhanov wasn't famous for sitting on his rear end all day. oblomovism ftl
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Maybe if I worked at the Happy Fun Time Factory and had a profit sharing plan I'd work harder than the minimum, but I don't, and so I won't 
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I specifically work slower because I work until my poo poo’s done so more hours on the clock
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We should both raise the bar of the suckiest jobs and make sure everyone who is making decisions are forced to do those jobs and consiter the needs of the people involved. Like we'll probably still want some form of food prep for people to enjoy, so why not make tipping not a thing, shorten working shifts and build in break time and cash register chairs while also having the supreme soviet take a shift at comrade burger?
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tokin opposition posted:We should both raise the bar of the suckiest jobs and make sure everyone who is making decisions are forced to do those jobs and consiter the needs of the people involved. Yeah, this is a mindset I agree with way more than "the lovely jobs will build character. That is why I am advocating <people who are not me> should do them. I already did my time, and am full of character." My time in factories and retail did not build my empathy for fellow workers, people showing me empathy and teaching me better did. I know plenty of more cruel folks who put in way harsher work and did not come out better, and plenty of 'soft' workers who have stronger convictions and empathy.
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Coolness Averted posted:Yeah, this is a mindset I agree with way more than "the lovely jobs will build character. That is why I am advocating <people who are not me> should do them. I already did my time, and am full of character." your work at the dick sucking factory, though laudable, may skew your perceptions on hard and soft technique
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They pretend to pay you a living wage, you pretend to do enough work for one. Learning how to skive off under active surveillance is a reasonable skill for kids to cultivate in this hellscape. They definitely shouldn't be working hard though, that's an idiot move.
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Complications posted:They pretend to pay you a living wage, you pretend to do enough work for one. Learning how to skive off under active surveillance is a reasonable skill for kids to cultivate in this hellscape. They definitely shouldn't be working hard though, that's an idiot move. Unironically this. I have already taught my kid that ads and the people making them are bad, and Im hopefully well on my way to teaching them hard work is a scam.
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Large Testicles posted:I specifically work slower because I work until my poo poo’s done so more hours on the clock I clock in an hour early, set my bar up in a couple minutes and steal shots of liquor in between reading communist poo poo. I work at a old plantation so I don’t feel bad about that
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How! posted:I clock in an hour early, set my bar up in a couple minutes and steal shots of liquor in between reading communist poo poo. If you're not stealing from your employer, you're stealing from your family.
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Antonymous posted:ngl it is good as a teenager/young adult to wash dishes or work a drive through. janitor or car wash or oil changes, load boxes at UPS or something. to 'learn the value of hard work' Working as a bartender robbed me of my sense of superiority over service workers and taught me to emphasize with labour unions, so I get this. Votskomit has issued a correction as of 07:49 on Aug 6, 2023 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/jnathangnzales/status/1687980930110234624?t=tbAOGtgGiTUUKOhy7XTp2g&s=19 my life until January 1, 2013. gently caress that year.
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I'm fine doing lovely jobs 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, as long as it means that when I go home and take a shower I get to be a human being with the rest of my time instead of a broken shell of a man trying to make ends meet. Like, drilling holes in megatruck tires before vulcanization? Been there, done that, give me a non-lovely pneumatic drill (my eternal gratitude to the ex-convict who repaired/reworked the one I was using in a way that let me do my job without getting pains in my joints), good pay, healthcare, and a safer work environment, and I'll clock in and do my time there for the rest of my life if needs be. I'm not exactly a paragon of industriousness, but I do have some basic sense of pride in my work, and knowing that I'm not just ruining myself for someone else's bottom line probably would have motivated me more. I lucked out with my current job - being decently paid mostly work from home for fairly short work hours overall (even if it's a bit on the hurry up and wait side), but we'll see if my luck holds out I guess. I'm under no illusion that I deserve to be paid better than someone working my old jobs, but I'd rather stand side by side with these people as we fight for a better life than shed crocodile tears over being able to live more comfortably than them today.
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Nobody wants to work anymore.
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Paladinus posted:Nobody wants to work anymore. i sure don't
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cash crab posted:i sure don't 
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so far my research shows that raccoons don’t like work
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Professor Shark posted:so far my research shows that raccoons don’t like work Somewhere an HR rep scratches out "pizza parties" and pencils in "live chicken parties?"
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Professor Shark posted:so far my research shows that raccoons don’t like work theyre very smart animals
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BRJurgis posted:Otoh I'll drink a warm Miller high life I found in my trunk, so Yeah high life is the "champagne of beers" so this is v understandable
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/jnathangnzales/status/1687980930110234624?t=tbAOGtgGiTUUKOhy7XTp2g&s=19
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Paladinus posted:Nobody wants to work anymore. my boss asks if i wanna go early, i go early, it's as simple as that
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/jnathangnzales/status/1687980930110234624?t=tbAOGtgGiTUUKOhy7XTp2g&s=19 by taking a photo (with some device) and posting on social media (with some device). finally I can fight against the attention economy by contributing to it and then meticulously checking my reaction stats to my latest post.
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yeah lol libs can bitch at me all the want for not voting for based dark brandon but they can't change the fact that trump put hundreds of dollars per month back in my pocket and joe took them back out
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spacemang_spliff posted:yeah lol libs can bitch at me all the want for not voting for based dark brandon but they can't change the fact that trump put hundreds of dollars per month back in my pocket and joe took them back out lol what
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spacemang_spliff posted:yeah lol libs can bitch at me all the want for not voting for based dark brandon but they can't change the fact that trump put hundreds of dollars per month back in my pocket and joe took them back out I appreciate this angle but I think it's important to rememebr the only reason even crumbs were given during covid was because of the dems in congress. Dems are awful and gently caress Biden but republicans thinks crumbs are a bridge too far. Afterall who is it that sued to nix student loan forgiveness? That's right republican groups.
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Professor Shark posted:lol what Like, the dude is a piece of poo poo, was overall a terrible president, and a lot of that was due to COVID-19, but you can't really argue with results. Dark Brandon had no problem cancelling stimulus and the child tax credit. We had a policy that pulled a few million children up a bit from the absolute bottom of the barrel, was objectively very effective, and the Democrats couldn't cancel it fast enough, because if we left it around too long, people might figure out that better things are possible.
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Ham Equity posted:Stimulus money, child tax credit, raising the standard deduction... Trump did more to put money in the pockets of poor and middle-class people than any president in my lifetime (which extends back to Reagan). All of those things would have happened anyway if trump won in 2020
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Shame Boy posted:All of those things would have happened anyway if trump won in 2020
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