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madeintaipei posted:Lol. Those look like German transliterations of Ukrainian names, not German names.
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Aug 7, 2023 04:39
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OddObserver posted:Those look like German transliterations of Ukrainian names, not German names. No, they're the (partially original) German names. Karlsbad was part of the HRE when it was founded, mostly by German settlers.
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Aug 7, 2023 04:53
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BabyFur Denny posted:No, they're the (partially original) German names. The "German" names madeintaipei was complaining about - Henitschesk, Dschankoj, and Nowooleksijiwka - are literally German transliterations, not German names for these places, or indeed, names that make sense in German, as far as I can tell.
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Aug 7, 2023 04:59
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Absurd Alhazred posted:The "German" names madeintaipei was complaining about - Henitschesk, Dschankoj, and Nowooleksijiwka - are literally German transliterations, not German names for these places, or indeed, names that make sense in German, as far as I can tell.
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Aug 7, 2023 05:09
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Absurd Alhazred posted:The "German" names madeintaipei was complaining about - Henitschesk, Dschankoj, and Nowooleksijiwka - are literally German transliterations, not German names for these places, or indeed, names that make sense in German, as far as I can tell. Yes, you are correct. Not a complaint, though. An observation. It's just that the transliteration looks funny. Nowooleksijiwka. Perfectly understandable gibberish. A little levity never hurts.
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Aug 7, 2023 05:11
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BabyFur Denny posted:German just had a different way of translating Cyrillic to Latin. Kyiv, Ukraine, Henichesk etc are all just English transliterations then? Yeah, pretty much? madeintaipei posted:Yes, you are correct. Not a complaint, though. An observation. An "observation" that's misleading, though. There's nothing "colonial" about using your own language's orthography to express words in foreign languages. Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Aug 7, 2023 05:11
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, pretty much? I think it is actually way less imperialistic than making fun of how words sound and look like in another language. Looking at the OP here.
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Aug 7, 2023 05:15
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfKZclMWS1U
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Aug 7, 2023 05:15
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madeintaipei posted:Yes, you are correct. Not a complaint, though. An observation. clearly, this is just polish
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Aug 7, 2023 05:21
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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:clearly, this is just polish MAUL HALTEN!
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Aug 7, 2023 05:24
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the other two do differ between the german and polish transliteration, but that one is quite literally pl wiki:Nowoołeksijiwka make the l spooky and call it a day! (i guess that's a polish vowel-consonant rule thing? it seems kinda strange to change "ооле" into "oołe" when you could just use "oole")
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Aug 7, 2023 07:11
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madeintaipei posted:Yes, you are correct. Not a complaint, though. An observation. Let’s roll with this. Referring to the capital of Україна as anything other than Київ is neocolonialism too imho. Anyone who doesn’t use the native people’s exact orthography and script when referring to their place names is perpetuating horrific acts of injustice. (Your observation makes no sense btw.)
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Aug 7, 2023 07:13
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I suppose if you're not exposed to foreign languages much you might not realize that transliterations differ between target languages. What makes it really loving funny is thinking this is colonialism somehow.
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Aug 7, 2023 07:23
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spankmeister posted:I suppose if you're not exposed to foreign languages much you might not realize that transliterations differ between target languages. Using English to criticize the vocabulary of other languages as colonial is just the cherry on top here.
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Aug 7, 2023 07:26
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The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that "Danzig" wasn't the English name.
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Aug 7, 2023 07:34
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I hope Allemania can send more Gepards to Ukraini.
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Aug 7, 2023 07:38
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mllaneza posted:I hope Allemania can send more Gepards to Ukraini. They're doing this constantly, but slowly: Whenever the Federal government can find some more Gepards sitting mothballed in some forgotten warehouse, the government buys them up and pays for refurbishment, then sends them to Ukraine. Last time I checked, they were trying to buy back more Gepards from Quatar, which originally bought them from us. I lost track of how the negotiations were going, but presumably still better than trying to get anything out of the Swiss, 
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Aug 7, 2023 07:47
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Groda posted:The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that "Danzig" wasn't the English name. As someone living in Gdańsk, what? But it isn't, it's the German name! I know the regional naming is all a mess due to changing borders and the Freistadt Danzig period but come on. Qtotonibudinibudet posted:the other two do differ between the german and polish transliteration, but that one is quite literally pl wiki:Nowoołeksijiwka Yes it seems strange if you're not from the region I guess. Polish has a lot more in common with the cyrylic-written languages than the roman-written ones, and it's not "making the l spooky". "Ł" and "sz" and "cz" and "ch" and "ci/ć" and "ż" and "ź" all correspond to different letters/sounds in those languages, ones you literally do not get in english. I don't knock on people not being able to pronounce the names because if you don't grow up here talking these languages, it is possible that you literally can't say these sounds as your whole mouth and throat just develop differently.  show some respectI'll stop the derail here.
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Aug 7, 2023 11:15
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madeintaipei posted:Lol. I had a coworkers whose grandparents were sudaten Nazis who got kicked out after the war. He kept insisting they were from Eger and I always made a point to pretend I didn’t know what that was so I could eventually say “oh you mean Cheb”
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Aug 7, 2023 12:19
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I had to spend a few hours waiting at the Lüttich main station once. It was no fun cause it was small and boring.
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Aug 7, 2023 12:22
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In a permissive airspace things like A-10s and AH-64s will always have a place. And a need
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Aug 7, 2023 12:34
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Scratch Monkey posted:In a permissive airspace things like A-10s and AH-64s will always have a place. And a need Helicopters are handy because they can operate where aircraft can't but the A10 is well and truly obsolete. It is far too much plane for permissive airspace (just use a Super Tucano, Air Tractor, maybe even that Belarus piston powered overwatch plane or drones) and far too little aircraft for non-permissive airspace. It's like keeping around Ohio class battleships after WWII, 8" arty is far better and the only reason to go with the BB/A10 platform outside their intended use is because of the huge mental boner it gives and well, you can afford it.
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Aug 7, 2023 12:48
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A-10 has been relegated to just another missile yeeting platform, a role that can be taken over by million other things, most of them probably far better at it.
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Aug 7, 2023 13:24
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Saladman posted:Let’s roll with this. Referring to the capital of Україна as anything other than Київ is neocolonialism too imho. Anyone who doesn’t use the native people’s exact orthography and script when referring to their place names is perpetuating horrific acts of injustice. You're setting the bar to high. English people can't even pronounce a simple silable like Köln without adding a bunch of unnecassary letters, making it Cologne.
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Aug 7, 2023 15:56
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cant cook creole bream posted:You're setting the bar to high. English people can't even pronounce a simple silable like Köln without adding a bunch of unnecassary letters, making it Cologne. Don't blame the English for that one. That came to English from Latin via French. The Romans, who founded the place, called it "Colonia Agrippina" (Agrippina's Colony). The French turned that into Cologne and made the English use that after they conquered Britain.
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Aug 7, 2023 16:14
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Culture-posting: https://twitter.com/TsurkanKate/status/1688538703612809217 Or: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/14/testimonies-victoria-amelina-poem Content warnings: speaks of the sorts of things that happen to civilian population during the war.
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Aug 7, 2023 17:37
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OddObserver posted:Culture-posting: Much appreciated, it also has an audio version of it. 
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Aug 7, 2023 17:44
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https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-arrests-russia-informant-plot-assassinate-volodymyr-zelenskyy/quote:Ukraine’s security service said Monday it had detained a Russian informant who planned to assassinate Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy last month. Still trying to get Zelensky through some oddball assassination plot. Should've let her submit disinformation and get Russia to waste a bunch of missiles in a "massive" airstrike.
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Aug 7, 2023 19:00
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Out of curiosity: didn't zelenskiy visit the airbase that was the subject of a massive wave of missiles within a matter of hours of his visit? or am I off on the timeline
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Aug 7, 2023 19:08
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Out of curiosity: didn't zelenskiy visit the airbase that was the subject of a massive wave of missiles within a matter of hours of his visit? or am I off on the timeline He visited Kherson after the dam broke and an evac point got shelled a few hours later, but not missled. That was in early June. There was a missle attack in Mykolaiv in late June of 22 shortly after he visited. Oracle fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Aug 7, 2023 19:48
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Scratch Monkey posted:Don't blame the English for that one. That came to English from Latin via French. The Romans, who founded the place, called it "Colonia Agrippina" (Agrippina's Colony). The French turned that into Cologne and made the English use that after they conquered Britain. Yeah I know that actually. But imagining that English people can't deal with an ö and suddenly the whole word breaks down like some bad unicode conversion error amuses me more.
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Aug 7, 2023 22:05
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Does anyone have good links on the state of Ukrainian corruption in terms of numbers and who is suspected? Not the most flattering of polls here: https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/927108.html quote:Some 77.6% of polled Ukrainians believe that the president is directly responsible for corruption in the government and military administrations. This is evidenced by the data of a public opinion poll devoted to the adaptation of Ukrainians to life in conditions of war and conducted by the Ilko Kucheriv Democratic Initiatives Foundation (DIF) in July. "Procrastination in solving problems that undermine people's faith in victory will also hit the president himself. The poll showed that, according to 77.6% of citizens, "the president is directly responsible for corruption in the government, military administrations," DIF Executive Director Petro Burkovsky said in a statement, posted on the website of the Foundation.
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Aug 7, 2023 22:28
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The latest episode of the red line podcast is very interesting given the recent events in Ukraine at the Kerch bridge. (Evens though these were not uuvs). Also talks about Russia using them in Norway in 2020, which didn’t get the attention it should have, because it happened on the 6th. Episode notes: UUVs or Unmanned Underwater Vehicles, are set to make the same kind of impact that UAVs previously made on the modern battlefield. With their vast operational capacities and affordable price tags, we are not only seeing major players like the US, Russia, and China engaged in a dire dash for future ocean supremacy, but also several smaller players who previously were locked out of the subsurface battlespace due to the high costs of conventional submarines. Will these new weapons serve merely as long-range recon vehicles for the major powers, or will UUVs be at the forefront of seabed warfare and underwater infrastructure sabotage? We ask our panel of experts. On the panel this week: H. I. Sutton (Covert Shores) Samuel Bendett (CNA) Bruce Jones (Brookings Inst.)
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Aug 7, 2023 22:49
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I can't answer the earlier question but how is Russia exactly produce ammo and munitions? Isn't there a point where they are going to be stretched thin for shells? I can't imagine they'll be able to lob cruise missiles forever?
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Aug 7, 2023 22:54
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Looks like they are still producing tanks too: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/575679917849837579/1137875609029189743/ghLZq4YURRAaPusm.mp4
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Aug 7, 2023 22:58
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:I can't imagine they'll be able to lob cruise missiles forever? Why not? They have missile factories.
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Aug 7, 2023 23:12
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:I can't answer the earlier question but how is Russia exactly produce ammo and munitions? Isn't there a point where they are going to be stretched thin for shells? I can't imagine they'll be able to lob cruise missiles forever? Why not? They’re a big country with a lot of domestic manufacturing and mining, and it’s not like they’re North Korea levels of isolated. Their current rate of use of cruise missiles is possibly *lower* than it will be in the future as domestic production ramps up to wartime needs, possibly shells too although there they might still be running through Soviet stocks. Expecting Russia to run out of munitions is not exactly a winning or realistic strategy. It’s a big and reasonably wealthy country with a lot of resources and know-how that is going all-in on genociding Ukraine. E: nice snipe with our exact same "why not?" phrasing. I wrote mine before seeing yours too.
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Aug 7, 2023 23:14
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Saladman posted:E: nice snipe with our exact same "why not?" phrasing. I wrote mine before seeing yours too. 
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Aug 7, 2023 23:17
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They're still getting enough chips smuggled in through Chinese companies and even USA companies. The world doesn't want to impose the kind of sanctions that would be needed to stop it. They'll keep cranking out a significant number of missiles to continue these same random acts of civilian death.
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Aug 7, 2023 23:34
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MikeC posted:Does anyone have good links on the state of Ukrainian corruption in terms of numbers and who is suspected? This appears to mean “the president’s responsibilities include addressing”, not “the president has caused”.
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Aug 7, 2023 23:51
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