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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

If only we could fire into the lanyards

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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Nothus posted:

Oh I think we all know the answer to that

Nah they are totally being pushed out by the Ukrainians in that market.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

The lanyard is a simple mechanical device that is easy to examine for faults and repair, and keeps you out of the way of the recoiling mass.

It does not need to be disrupted, please!

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
since Germany is in the news, here's something from what I'm reading today:

"Modern Germany: Society, Economy, and Politics in the Twentieth Century", by V. R. Berghahn





Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Lostconfused posted:

This is Danilov, in case you forgot this guys name



didn't realize simon cowell had fallen on such hard times that he was grand marshalling the ss parades

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

VoicesCanBe posted:

https://twitter.com/victoriaslog/status/1688271000188710912?s=20

https://twitter.com/victoriaslog/status/1688289829572775936?s=20

Lying is whatever, it's not great but if someone wants to lie then it is what it is. What annoys me is when blatant lies get thousands of likes especially when the vast majority who see the lie will never see the "my source is that I made it the gently caress up" disclaimer that comes after.

when did ukraine hire zapp brannigan

Tsitsikovas
Aug 2, 2023

Frosted Flake posted:

The lanyard is a simple mechanical device that is easy to examine for faults and repair, and keeps you out of the way of the recoiling mass.

It does not need to be disrupted, please!

Introducing the new SmartLan, a composite carbon fiber IoT ropelike device actuator.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/76261

🇷🇺🛻 The video clip from UVZ commemorates the 50th anniversary of the adoption of the T-72 tank and its family into service.

I'm sure the tankies will enjoy a tank celebration video.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

The lanyard is a simple mechanical device that is easy to examine for faults and repair, and keeps you out of the way of the recoiling mass.

It does not need to be disrupted, please!

Your next gun will have Bluetooth firing system with a backup push button right on the chamber. On the second iteration of the gun, the button will not be accessible without your body being in the way of the recoil because of the new gismo they add.

nomad2020
Jan 30, 2007

Frosted Flake posted:

The lanyard is a simple mechanical device that is easy to examine for faults and repair, and keeps you out of the way of the recoiling mass.

It does not need to be disrupted, please!

I'm not going to be satisfied until I can fire the gun using my phone.

Tsitsikovas posted:

Introducing the new SmartLan, a composite carbon fiber IoT ropelike device actuator.

Yes

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



https://english.aawsat.com/world/4475186-blast-injures-10-near-grain-silos-turkish-port

Turkey showing ukraine solidarity

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

stephenthinkpad posted:

I am surprised the Germany leadership put up so little fight against the deindustrialization.

What is the Germany European identify if not for making large metal things? Certainly not coding loving apps. Is there any alternate cheap energy route being built? emphasis on cheap.

Russia greenlit the Power of Siberia II project a half year before NS2 was bombed. The Russians was making alternate plans.

It's odd to me too, is Germany's bourgeoisie so subservient to US capital that it has no ability to push back against decisions that will not doubt cut into their own profits?

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Frosted Flake posted:

The lanyard is a simple mechanical device that is easy to examine for faults and repair, and keeps you out of the way of the recoiling mass.

It does not need to be disrupted, please!

Too late I've invented a Bluetooth firing dongle

E: goddamnit

ContinuityNewTimes has issued a correction as of 16:05 on Aug 7, 2023

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

supersnowman posted:

Your next gun will have Bluetooth firing system with a backup push button right on the chamber. On the second iteration of the gun, the button will not be accessible without your body being in the way of the recoil because of the new gismo they add.

"Alexa, fire!"

"ALEXA, FIRE!"

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

stephenthinkpad posted:

"Alexa, fire!"

"ALEXA, FIRE!"

One-day shipping a bunch of Amazon tablets to the enemy

Tsitsikovas
Aug 2, 2023

stephenthinkpad posted:

"Alexa, fire!"

"ALEXA, FIRE!"

Oh poo poo I got shelled by my enemy to Jimi Hendrix. Thanks Alexa.

ro5s
Dec 27, 2012

A happy little mouse!

stephenthinkpad posted:

"Alexa, fire!"

"ALEXA, FIRE!"

the smartspeaker gets tinnitus and needs to be periodically replaced $$$

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

stephenthinkpad posted:

"Alexa, fire!"

"ALEXA, FIRE!"

Some dumbass will have programmed the fire command to play his fire mix tape instead.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

after every shot it uploads a geotagged photo to instagram

nigel thornberry
Jul 29, 2013

hey BAE systems, I have a brilliant idea: let’s make the M777 fire via touchscreen. that’ll be $1 billion, tyvm

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Playing Fire by Gavin DeGaw on Amazon Music

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003


Oh cool, we're giving them commissars now

quote:

They have NATO equipment and Western training. Some have English-speaking commanders, unusual in the Ukrainian military, and even an American-accented, evangelical chaplain.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/07/world/europe/ukraine-marines-counteroffensive.html

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

stephenthinkpad posted:

"Alexa, fire!"

"ALEXA, FIRE!"

"Playing: Girl on Fire, by Alicia Keys."

EFB

January 6 Survivor
Jan 6, 2022

The
Nelson Mandela
of clapping
dusty old cheeks


( o(

VoicesCanBe posted:

is German[...] subservient [...]?

if I remove excess words from the question, the answer becomes clear

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

VoicesCanBe posted:

It's odd to me too, is Germany's bourgeoisie so subservient to US capital that it has no ability to push back against decisions that will not doubt cut into their own profits?

Frankfurt doesn't give a gently caress. They're going to make bank on rising real estate costs, which is what happens when deindustrialization vomits people at the few cities left with good jobs.

Officer Sandvich
Feb 14, 2010
Why Ukrainian Soldiers Have to Learn to Fight on YouTube and How to Change That

Erik Kramer and I answered the call early last year when Ukrainian commanders pleaded for volunteers to train them given the very limited opportunities to attend NATO training or any training with instructors of combined-arms maneuver. We believed in Ukraine’s plight and put our lives on hold believing we could make a difference, no matter how small or large. For those of us that joined the Ukraine Defense Support Group, we faced suicide drones, artillery barrages, and foreign intelligence service threats while conducting medical training and stabilizing patients near the front lines. We did so because we truly believe that Ukrainian lives are worth preserving and that efforts to bring this war to a swift conclusion are worth the personal risk.

As a former Special Forces ground force commander, I personally have lost soldiers in close combat, cried and trembled as I placed my hand on their coffins — coffins holding the remains of someone who was once young, full of life, and a close friend — then delivered neatly folded flags to their widows and children. In Ukraine I have heard the heartfelt cries of commanders as they ask if they will ever be alright after losing over half of their unit, composed of their close friends. To stop this incredible loss of life is why we started the Ukraine Defense Support Group.

...

To train as many soldiers as is required, it is imperative for NATO, volunteers, and contractors to work together — or at least in parallel — to keep up with demand. In our experience, Ukrainian soldiers are often left with no other option but to learn to use foreign aid and weapons from watching videos on YouTube. Our recommendation to teach Ukraine’s own instructors, providing them their own in-house uniform combined-arms maneuver training, helps solve this capacity issue right now and in the future without waiting on NATO or spending billions more in aid.

...

Our personal motto is De Oppresso Liber, to liberate the oppressed. In Ukraine, Erik and I have gone to where our partners are, shared their risks to understand their exact issues, then developed their cadre and organized their training — all while adapting to each unit’s unique combination of equipment and personnel to build their capacity to not just fight, but to prevail in armed conflict. Finally, we advise Ukrainian units when they go to the front lines and employ their training. We stay in near-constant contact with many of them as they ask for advice while they serve their time on the front, and this also serves to directly feed us relevant real-time observations. These observations allow us to adapt training immediately in response to rapidly changing enemy tactics, techniques, and procedures as well as advances in Ukrainian capabilities — something that longer, more doctrinally rigid training programs abroad cannot do.

Our “train-the-trainer” program is the quintessential method in the Special Forces organization phase of unconventional warfare. This phase is where we develop the cadre and organic capacity of a partner nation. This is what we have done in Ukraine and the results of our work have been some of the most personally rewarding of our professional careers.

We believe that many outsiders, to include former experts, are not fully aware of what it is like for front-line Ukrainian units. From our personal experience, we know that many reports that filter out of the conflict are heavily sanitized and so it is difficult for outsiders to truly comprehend.

...

We have no doubt that higher-level training likely occurred, but our organization does higher-level, company live-fire exercises as early as the five to 10-day mark. We have chosen to accelerate training and accept more risk because most Ukrainian units have just three to six weeks of training before going to the front lines. This is because of the demand to replace or reconstitute units that regularly see attrition rates as high as 70 to 80 percent before they can be rotated out of their position. The harsh reality of large-scale combat operations allows little luxury beyond a short individual basic course followed by a condensed three-week collective training program. It is also important to realize that most of this training has to be conducted with little ammunition and without most of the equipment they will be expected to fight with, as the priority for limited resources must go to the front. It is very common that military units pick up their equipment on the way to the front or fall in on a rotating unit’s equipment that they leave behind in the trenches. The training for Ukrainian forces in Europe has been a great benefit, but it requires significantly longer periods of time that cannot keep up with requirements to replace front-line units.

This exceptionally high attrition rate, which Konrad Muzyka recently cited on the Russia Contingency podcast, also means that lessons taught to students or units are essentially lost after a single combat rotation. This is why reliance on foreign NATO instructors abroad does not create enough capacity and will not in the foreseeable future. The continued attrition rate also means that most units are severely under-manned and lack offensive capability. Almost every company we have encountered resembles a U.S. platoon in strength.

To send whole units off for months, as required by NATO training programs, means that remaining soldiers in those units must go forward missing large elements of combat power. Every day in Ukraine we would have multiple units asking for training and we would often train almost every single day. Without widely available combined-arms style training that is effective many units have reverted back to older and more available Soviet training, YouTube, and legacy NATO doctrine found in publications like the Ranger Handbook to fill the considerable gaps.

...

What is the real problem with NATO training? In our experience, Ukrainian soldiers are generally very appreciative of the training they have received. However, many soldiers have faced significant challenges in implementing that training. Many units were trained by different NATO partners, so the doctrine they were taught was not uniform. This means that the units could not readily work together or achieved shared understanding to work seamlessly with adjacent units. The trained units also did not have uniform personnel and equipment. It was also common that they would not have access to the equipment they were expected to deploy with. In our experience, soldiers felt that they did not actually get significant hands-on experience with specific equipment, and that training was often based on theoretical or simulated scenarios with instruction relying heavily on old, approved NATO-member doctrine training programs.

Most of the combined-arms training has not been adapted for the Ukrainian battlefield. Compounding this issue is that most combined-arms training is based on integrated and interdependent concepts such as targeting cycles, sustainment systems, and medical systems. For example, NATO trainers can teach a Ukrainian soldier how to use a medical evacuation form. However, if there are no uniform communications protocols to make a radio transmission with, or a person on the other end who understands the shorthand transmission, the value of this training is greatly reduced. Worse, it can be completely useless if they cannot provide medical evacuation due to a sheer lack of equipment.

Another major issue is that whole cohesive units are not always participating in NATO training. Ukrainian units would be given “slots” to train, and in an effort to maximize the benefits of these courses many units would send a couple of their best to attend the courses, and then attempt to extract what they learned and adapt this to their varied specific organic personnel and equipment situations. Most of the men sent were junior soldiers. Officers were expected to manage almost all aspects of training in Ukraine given a near complete lack of non-commissioned officer cadre and were therefore incapable of attending. This means that commanders often did not have the chance to receive the training or methodology.

As such, and at no fault to NATO, the Ukrainian military has struggled to adapt to the rapidly changing threats and demands on the battlefield, and has largely moved away from NATO style combined-arms tactics in the face of a challenging offensive.

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"
NATO cannot fail, it can only be failed

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I was looking at the Joint Program Office, Towed Artillery Systems page, and lol I always forget that M777 production was tied up with the Indian order, and then was supposed to stop once the Indian order is complete.

WSJ: BAE, U.S. in Talks to Restart M777 Howitzer Production After Ukraine Success posted:

Potential resurrection of big gun shows how the war in Ukraine could reshape the global arms industry

The British arms manufacturer said it is in talks with the US government to revive the program, which is winding up following the production of the last batch of guns ordered by India.
BAE said if the inquiries — including from Central European countries — translate into actual orders, it could lead to the production of 500 new guns. Restarting the gun’s full production could take 30 to 36 months, BAE estimates.

The US Army and Marines are not expected to add to their inventory of more than 1,000 guns, first inducted in 2005. Vice president of business development at BAE Mark Signorelli told The Wall Street Journal that the company needs an order of at least 150 guns to revive the production line “profitably.”

Enhanced Reputation

Countries such as the US, Australia, and Canada have delivered around 170 M777s to Ukraine.

A large share of the 155 mm towed gun’s enhanced reputation goes to the precision GPS-guided munition it has been fed to in Ukraine, the outlet wrote, adding that its compact size compared to the hulking Russian howitzers made them more agile and easier to use.

Even if stacked up against its mounted Western counterparts, such as the German Panzerhaubitze 2000 and the French Caesar operating in Ukraine, the M777 stands out due to its “greater accuracy and ease of use” despite having a lower firing rate.

Precise Strike

The M777 can fire a variety of guided and unguided shells, including the Raytheon-BAE-developed Excalibur. The round can hit within less than 10 feet (3 meters) of a target, even at its maximum reach of 30 miles (48 kilometers).

In comparison, a traditional artillery shell grows increasingly imprecise as the target’s distance increases due to wind and other factors, the newspaper wrote, adding that a Western unguided shell “can land as much as 500 feet (152 meters) from a target located 15 miles (24 kilometers) away.”

Professor of strategic studies at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland Phillips O’Brien told The Wall Street Journal that the gun has taken the bulk of the responsibility to take on the “Russian military forces directly in the field,” while the more talked about rocket artillery systems such as the HIMARS have “probably been more important in destroying Russian logistics and control centers.”


lol we're going to run out of guns because of profitability. Anyway, I've seen some wacky M777 projects, I think posted the titanium gun project and the Block 2 / A3 project, both of which will be enormously expensive. Still not sure if they have done anything about the firing mechanism. The M/L 118 105mm guns given to Ukraine have electronic firing, which is easier because QF guns have brass, so it's a scaled up version of electronic primer initiation in small arms.




BAE stay winning.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

The lanyard is there so you’re not directly next to the giant heaving several ton monstrosity that is expelling a hundred plus pound object with force sufficient to fly 10 plus miles. If you want to be right on the gun to pull the trigger you can do that too, but a lanyard is generally a better idea. especially the first fire after digging in, the gun can shift.

you want your trigger mechanism to be fully mechanical because you want everything to have as few points of failure as possible and as many alternate methods of operation as possible, because the system is designed to work in war time conditions.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Best Friends posted:

The lanyard is there so you’re not directly next to the giant heaving several ton monstrosity that is expelling a hundred plus pound object with force sufficient to fly 10 plus miles. If you want to be right on the gun to pull the trigger you can do that too, but a lanyard is generally a better idea. especially the first fire after digging in, the gun can shift.

you want your trigger mechanism to be fully mechanical because you want everything to have as few points of failure as possible and as many alternate methods of operation as possible, because the system is designed to work in war time conditions.

But there are so many less grifting options with that. A mechanical firing system does not let you sell a proprietary "lanyard" on which you have a patent so the army can't reproduce it themselves without purchasing expensive licenses or even better, contract you to produce as a consumable item.

samogonka
Nov 5, 2016

supersnowman posted:

But there are so many less grifting options with that. A mechanical firing system does not let you sell a proprietary "lanyard" on which you have a patent so the army can't reproduce it themselves without purchasing expensive licenses or even better, contract you to produce as a consumable item.

Wouldn't be surprised if the lanyard used in the 777 is already a proprietary product that the manufacturer charges a fortune to replace.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

it’s a regular lanyard.

the m777 proprietary fortune-to-replace for no reason item is the power cables

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I should mention that the usual suspects have been researching "laser ignition" since the 70's.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique


Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Frosted Flake posted:

The lanyard is a simple mechanical device that is easy to examine for faults and repair, and keeps you out of the way of the recoiling mass.

It does not need to be disrupted, please!

look into your heart and admit the truth; the men want a bigass red button to push to fire the cannon

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1687503451683450880

Germany manufacturing PMI is also down at 38.8 as of July 2023.

According to this article.

German industrial production dropped 1.5% in June.

Lead by a 3.5% drop in its auto industry.
Construction sector fell by 2.8%

Beyond the energy stocks due to the war. German automobile companies are losing out to Chinese rivals in the domestic China market.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

1stGear posted:

Tired of people claiming that, just because the US has made mistakes in the past, that it puts them on the same moral scale as the most barbaric murderous regimes to ever exist in humanity. It's 13 year old edgelordism in the extreme.

Lol

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

This is how all guns should be fired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-OQFslDKiI&t=278s

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1688614752803565568
https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1688618499399139329

oh the USA has way less tanks and ifvs in comparison to the Russians

also artillery too

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
well the west is currently working on the belief that Russia has lost almost all their active T-72B3's and like half of their T-90's so as long as they can keep the illusion going then there's nothing to worry about

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