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HonorableTB posted:Ukrainian SOF operating on the left bank of the Dnipro captured a flag of Russia's strategic missile forces lol. Imagine the US Air Force digging some dudes out of a bunker in Montana to throw in a trench to defend a river Reminds me of the Luftwaffe Field Divisions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftwaffe_Field_Divisions
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Aug 7, 2023 18:58
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1688600780696121350 And that's it for another piece of flying junk.
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Aug 7, 2023 19:03
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:Reminds me of the Luftwaffe Field Divisions: The Soviets did a similar thing in WWII with their sailors, who were mostly useless in their normal role - sending them to fight in their sailor uniforms in "naval infantry" battalions throughout 1941 with little to no land combat training.
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Aug 7, 2023 19:06
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1688600780696121350 Big deal. Like this is a big big deal. Robotyne is one of the most heavily defense fortresses on the front. Shooting down helis her means that rUSSIA is having to pull back it's EWAR equipment and opening the door for it's cas to get hit. This single event means that Ukraine is still pushing along.
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Aug 7, 2023 19:11
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Shooting down a single Alligator just means there was a Ukrainian nearby with a Stinger or Javelin tbh. EWAR won't do much against modern MANPADs at the altitude vehicles are forced to fly at lol. Losing the Alligator itself is more important because a Ka-52 cannot be replaced by Russia due to sanctions. It has a lot of components that simply aren't available to Russia at this time and every one shot down is irreplaceable in a very literal sense. They make fantastic CAS as well, on par with Apaches
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Aug 7, 2023 19:26
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heh. manpads.
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Aug 7, 2023 19:31
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Coolguye posted:heh. manpads. 
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Aug 7, 2023 19:42
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HonorableTB posted:Shooting down a single Alligator just means there was a Ukrainian nearby with a Stinger or Javelin tbh. EWAR won't do much against modern MANPADs at the altitude vehicles are forced to fly at lol. Losing the Alligator itself is more important because a Ka-52 cannot be replaced by Russia due to sanctions. It has a lot of components that simply aren't available to Russia at this time and every one shot down is irreplaceable in a very literal sense. They make fantastic CAS as well, on par with Apaches Yeah, they are top tier attack helis. They just must be getting too bold if MANPADS plunk em.
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Aug 7, 2023 19:48
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Dandywalken posted:Yeah, they are top tier attack helis. They just must be getting too bold if MANPADS plunk em. One less spinny boy on Putins roster. 
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Aug 7, 2023 19:53
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Are those the same helis with 60s circuit boards in them that we've seen at the beginning of the war?
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Aug 7, 2023 19:59
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Gejnor posted:At this point I'm half-jokingly thinking this is a way to provoke Russia into sending futile attacks against the statue. I've been there and there's a WWII museum underneath, with nice parks and some really old churches nearby. So yeah they'll probably try to bomb it.
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Aug 7, 2023 20:09
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mobby_6kl posted:Are those the same helis with 60s circuit boards in them that we've seen at the beginning of the war? I'm not familiar with what you're referring to, but the KA-52 is the two seat variant of the KA-50 and it entered service in 2011. It's notable for having an ejection system (one of the only helis to have one afaik) and Alligators are sufficiently modern that it should have updated electronics. That's one of the reasons why they can't be replaced; Russia literally cannot manufacture the electronics needed to build them because they don't have the microchip fabs to do it.
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Aug 7, 2023 20:18
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/08/7/7414545/quote:Hackers from North Korea have hacked the computer networks of the Mashinostroyeniya scientific production association, which produces ballistic and cruise missiles. 
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Aug 7, 2023 20:22
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HonorableTB posted:I'm not familiar with what you're referring to, but the KA-52 is the two seat variant of the KA-50 and it entered service in 2011. It's notable for having an ejection system (one of the only helis to have one afaik) and Alligators are sufficiently modern that it should have updated electronics. That's one of the reasons why they can't be replaced; Russia literally cannot manufacture the electronics needed to build them because they don't have the microchip fabs to do it. The Ka-52 ejection seat bit is hilarious because after the first few months of the war the pilots seem to have stopped using the ejection seats.
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Aug 7, 2023 20:31
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Warbadger posted:The Ka-52 ejection seat bit is hilarious because after the first few months of the war the pilots seem to have stopped using the ejection seats. Pilots that are using store-bought GPS units for navigation instead of their own systems probably know better than relying on the mechanics to actually check that all the parts of the helicopter ejection system work, and rather take their chances with autorotation landing if they are still able to do anything after getting hit by anti-air.
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Aug 7, 2023 20:35
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Warbadger posted:The Ka-52 ejection seat bit is hilarious because after the first few months of the war the pilots seem to have stopped using the ejection seats. Honestly I was surprised to see as many pilot ejections from them as we did. MANPADS make a large explosion and helicopters already try to throw themselves out of the sky when everything is working in ideal conditions. Eating a shaped charge designed to take out armored vehicles is probably not conducive to successful ejections, assuming 1) the missile that hit you didn't destroy the craft outright, 2) it didn't destroy the ejection mechanism, 3) it didn't destroy YOU while leaving the equipment operational, 4) you have enough altitude for the ejection to work in the first place (it works by firing the blades up and away, then the pilot and co-pilot get ejected thru the canopy lol), and 5) you don't die on the way down It's long odds to survive an ejection scenario in a fuckin helicopter which might be why Russia is the only military to loving make one to start with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1kr651en7g that's how it works 
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Aug 7, 2023 20:36
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In a KA-52 I would be worried about the rotor blades not detaching and ejecting straight into a human blender
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Aug 7, 2023 20:37
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Eh. Ejection seat is fine imo. Lack of ejections lately is prob incapacitated crew
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Aug 7, 2023 20:38
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Space Jam posted:In a KA-52 I would be worried about the rotor blades not detaching and ejecting straight into a human blender Like said, if you are still in condition to do any decisions its either risking this, or trying autorotation landing. And with the latter you at least have an input on the outcome and should have training on how to do that.
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Aug 7, 2023 20:39
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HonorableTB posted:They make fantastic CAS as well, on par with Apaches I would argue that they are not on par because an Alligator can only fire one atgm at a time, and must remain stationary for it's time of flight, while a Longbow can build a target list of (iirc) up to 16 targets, fire on them all at the same time, and instantly gtfo. It's still the best cas platform in use in Ukraine by either side, ofc.
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Aug 7, 2023 20:40
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Der Kyhe posted:Pilots that are using store-bought GPS units for navigation instead of their own systems probably know better than relying on the mechanics to actually check that all the parts of the helicopter ejection system work, and rather take their chances with autorotation landing if they are still able to do anything after getting hit by anti-air. ejection seats can gently caress up your back and stuff even if they work not that a controlled crash is necessarily better, but it may be. also maybe they just got killed by the missile or whatever
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Aug 7, 2023 20:41
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The Americans spent millions perfecting an ejection seat while the Russians simply use the ground.
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Aug 7, 2023 20:41
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weg posted:The Americans spent millions perfecting an ejection seat while the Russians simply use the ground. Lmfao
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Aug 7, 2023 20:42
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Tuna-Fish posted:I would argue that they are not on par because an Alligator can only fire one atgm at a time, and must remain stationary for it's time of flight, while a Longbow can build a target list of (iirc) up to 16 targets, fire on them all at the same time, and instantly gtfo. LMUR has me intrigued. Apache would benefit from similar definitely. Russia presumably doesnt have many or is just getting too aggressive with Ka52s because 15km vs 8-9km for other ATGMs is big.
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Aug 7, 2023 20:44
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do apaches even have ejection seats
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Aug 7, 2023 20:44
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Warbadger posted:The Ka-52 ejection seat bit is hilarious because after the first few months of the war the pilots seem to have stopped using the ejection seats. KA-52 has to blow the blades first, both blades, before the ejection to prevent mincing the pilots. It additionally has a weird system where the meat in the seats is pulled out by some kind of tractor system, rather than explosively shooting the seat out. Thus, the aptly re-named KIA-52 as it takes a rather humongous leap of faith to trust that system rather than auto-rotating down and hoping to survive impact.
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Aug 7, 2023 20:45
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the popes toes posted:KA-52 has to blow the blades first, both blades, before the ejection to prevent mincing the pilots. It additionally has a weird system where the meat in the seats is pulled out by some kind of tractor system, rather than explosively shooting the seat out. Thus, the aptly re-named KIA-52 as it takes a rather humongous leap of faith to trust that system rather than auto-rotating down and hoping to survive impact. Now that's an evocative way to refer to pilots lmao
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Aug 7, 2023 20:48
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Dandywalken posted:LMUR has me intrigued. Apache would benefit from similar definitely. the apache is getting Spike NLOS i think which seems at least as good, and I think BAE is working on extended range versions of Brimstone
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Aug 7, 2023 20:49
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Dandywalken posted:LMUR has me intrigued. Apache would benefit from similar definitely. I think MBDA has proposed Brimstone 2 as a hellfire replacement for Apaches with 25km range. Of course, hasn't been integrated and probably won't because NIH.
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Aug 7, 2023 20:56
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Tuna-Fish posted:I think MBDA has proposed Brimstone 2 as a hellfire replacement for Apaches with 25km range. Of course, hasn't been integrated and probably won't because NIH. There was scandal a while back when the MOD went with whatever hellfire successor the US chose for Apache instead of brimstone. I'm guessing economies of scale might have been the deciding factor.
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Aug 7, 2023 20:59
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Because Russia surely wouldn't love to have the cultural unity of Japans imperial death cult circa 1942.
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Aug 7, 2023 21:15
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The imperial death cult wasn't even as unified as people think, or they wouldn't have tried to overthrow and/or otherwise subvert the emperor when it came to considering peace deals. the imperial death cult turned out to just be a death cult that found it convenient to be attached to the emperor because the emperor would let them have as much death as they wanted up until he went "wait that might include my death too" and wanted to sue for peace post-nukes e: just noticed gigolo specified 1942 but still, even in 1942 there were major divisions in the factional infighting that was endemic to the japanese imperial court, specifically the IJA vs the IJN that blatantly ignored several imperial directives to stop loving with each other HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Aug 7, 2023 21:39
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1688526625346932737 Are you even capable of doing that? Because if you were, you'd already have spun up the wheels after your repeated defeats last year.
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Aug 7, 2023 21:46
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https://v.redd.it/hw21bwvslqgb1 Not sure what to make of this. Skabeeva reveals an apparent KIA count of 284,000. On one hand, it's state TV, state propaganda, state message. She would not have accidentally said this. On the other hand, Russia goes far out of its way to obfuscate casualties to avoid upsetting the imperial core. I am having trouble seeing what benefit comes to Putin from this, unless it is something like "they can't hide the scale of casualties anymore so they acknowledge it as if they have always been doing so", which is also something Russia has been keen on doing in the past, so.. who the gently caress knows, a chief propagandist is on state tv talking about 289,000 KIA for some reason. 284k is much higher than western estimates. 284k is higher than Ukrainian estimates by 34,000 (Ukrainian numbers state just over 250k liquidated personnel). I can't imagine Russia has a way of accurately counting casualties with their corruption and systemic breakdowns; if they aren't even collecting bodies then how would they know? This figure could be entire bullshit, or it might not be. gently caress lol, welcome to russian propaganda I guess HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Aug 7, 2023 21:51
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HonorableTB posted:https://v.redd.it/hw21bwvslqgb1 If you can find the whole vid to put it in context, I think Skeevy Olga is referring to Ukrainian casualties?
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Aug 7, 2023 21:52
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Space Jam posted:In a KA-52 I would be worried about the rotor blades not detaching and ejecting straight into a human blender Either way it’s fine. If the system works, it works. If the system doesn’t work, you won’t have to worry about it anymore.
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Aug 7, 2023 21:53
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the popes toes posted:If you can find the whole vid to put it in context, I think Skeevy Olga is referring to Ukrainian casualties? I had this thought as well but I cannot find the full video for context - if someone can and posts it, I'd be happy to translate. It's the only thing that would make sense to me (leaving aside that Russian projection is always in play, their accusations are always confessions)
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Aug 7, 2023 21:55
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In other news, western kit is a hell of a lot more durable than the old Soviet poo poo https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1688590363613708294?s=20 47 bradleys sounds like a lot til you realize the US has 4,000 of them just sitting around gathering dust and they've already pledged to replace any lost or destroyed Bradleys with new ones e: sorry, 4,641 of the M2 variant we're giving Ukraine
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Aug 7, 2023 21:57
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66429344 Russia missiled an appt building in Donetsk. You know, the place that Russia said is part of Russia.
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HonorableTB posted:Ukrainian SOF operating on the left bank of the Dnipro captured a flag of Russia's strategic missile forces lol. Imagine the US Air Force digging some dudes out of a bunker in Montana to throw in a trench to defend a river ill be a broken goon brain this kinda poo poo always reminds me of playing mount and blade star wars mod, i played a game where i stomped the empire so badly, they were deploying random mercs and recruits because their actual military was all loving dead or wounded. but on topic. they are pissing away most of their men and now are just using whatever morons they can to hold lines.
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