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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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It's been very obvious since day one of Musk owning Twitter that he just does something and then tells his underlings to figure it out later

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The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Space Fish posted:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/musks-x-fund-legal-bills-people-treated-unfairly-due-posting-platform-2023-08-06/

Aug 5 (Reuters) - Elon Musk has said his X social media platform will pay the legal bills and sue on the behalf of people who have been treated unfairly by employers because of posting or liking something on the site formerly known as Twitter.

"If you were unfairly treated by your employer due to posting or liking something on this platform, we will fund your legal bill," Musk said in a post on X late on Saturday, adding that there will be no limits to funding the bills.

"And we won't just sue, it will be extremely loud and we will go after the boards of directors of the companies too," Musk said later in response to a post about nothing changing behavior in the U.S. faster than a threat of legal action.


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I'm sure this is being discussed in other threads, but this seems like a massive lightning rod that will scorch Musk, X/Twitter, and any number of relative innocents. Maybe their team will balance one "fired as victim of bigotry" case for every "fired for practicing bigotry" case?

Yeah you'd think it would just be a terrible idea because you'd be making yourself a target in cases you didn't need to get involved in.


But did you also consider that it would make you a target for madmen?
The Musk thread has a post about a guy called WarClandestine (aka an account that spread news about the CIA having biolabs in Ukraine.)
Basically, not only does this guy want to sue everyone since they are all calling him liars when those labs are really there AND he wants Musk to foot the bill.
He is now also promising to go camp out in X HQ until he gets a meeting with Musk.
I can't help but think that is going to not end well.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

That weird lady who ran for governor(?) of Florida by handcuffing herself to one of the entrance doors of twitter hq should try that again, but this time as a meet cute with musk.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

I AM GRANDO posted:

That weird lady who ran for governor(?) of Florida by handcuffing herself to one of the entrance doors of twitter hq should try that again, but this time as a meet cute with musk.

Laura Loomer?

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Loomer ran for Congress twice in two different parts of the state somehow

She first tried it in super blue Palm Beach County and that failed, so she tried again up here with a district that is mostly Lake County but lost the primary to the incumbent Republican and then claimed the election was rigged

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!

Space Fish posted:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/musks-x-fund-legal-bills-people-treated-unfairly-due-posting-platform-2023-08-06/

Aug 5 (Reuters) - Elon Musk has said his X social media platform will pay the legal bills and sue on the behalf of people who have been treated unfairly by employers because of posting or liking something on the site formerly known as Twitter.

"If you were unfairly treated by your employer due to posting or liking something on this platform, we will fund your legal bill," Musk said in a post on X late on Saturday, adding that there will be no limits to funding the bills.

"And we won't just sue, it will be extremely loud and we will go after the boards of directors of the companies too," Musk said later in response to a post about nothing changing behavior in the U.S. faster than a threat of legal action.


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I'm sure this is being discussed in other threads, but this seems like a massive lightning rod that will scorch Musk, X/Twitter, and any number of relative innocents. Maybe their team will balance one "fired as victim of bigotry" case for every "fired for practicing bigotry" case?

This is dumb in a way only things relating to Elon can be, but he already has huge issues paying his own bills. Does anyone really think he'll pay theirs?

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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There have already been a bunch of rubes Tweeting at him with their dumb stories

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

FlamingLiberal posted:

There have already been a bunch of rubes Tweeting at him with their dumb stories

I wonder how many rubes will admit to things that themselves will get them fired lol

Xmas Dumpster Fire
May 29, 2001

I doubt Musk even understands that most states are right-to-work, and people can be fired without cause.

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

Even where it's legal to fire without cause, if a cause is given it can potentially be taken to court. That's usually for things that are federally protected, but lol

Xmas Dumpster Fire
May 29, 2001

Luckily, posters aren't a protected class

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


je1 healthcare posted:

To change is the absolute hardest thing any human being can do, to the point where many opt to spend their lives in misery than experience change. And it only gets harder with age

If Trump is convicted, losses re-election, etc. there is going to be a sea of people of largely men that are going to be forever lost. Can you even imagine trying to date a former Trump supporter?

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Levantine posted:

This is dumb in a way only things relating to Elon can be, but he already has huge issues paying his own bills. Does anyone really think he'll pay theirs?

Oh Elon's not going to help anybody with their cases.
The one thing is that it means unhinged people will start showing up demanding to personally speak to Elon about their court case. (See the Biolabs in Ukraine guy.)

It's funny that a guy who needs bodyguards to escort him to and from the toilet and wanted to shut down a guy who would say where and when a jet often used by Musk was in the air, has in effect created a huge personal safety risk by making this announcement about funding court cases.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Conservatives would rather listen to the makers of a movie about sex trafficking than the actual victims of sex trafficking

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epvbyz/trafficking-survivors-and-advocates-are-being-harassed-by-sound-of-freedom-fans

quote:

These assholes are getting up in the face of people with first hand knowledge of it and accusing them of being pedophiles themselves.

The backlash he’s received for criticizing the film is an extension of what he’s already experienced, Alfaro said; men and LGBTQ trafficking survivors often face skepticism when speaking about the abuse they endured, and a particularly brutal variety of victim-blaming and homophobia.

“People have told me ‘You weren't trafficked, you wanted it, you probably liked it because you’re gay,’” he said. “Horrible things like that. I’m seeing the same thing happening speaking out about his film. People are telling me, ‘you’re a trafficker, you're a predator.’ These are all QAnon conspiracy theories, and people are saying that to people who don’t agree with the film. It’s like, do you even know what I’ve experienced in my lifetime?”


Other survivors say they’ve faced the same kind of harassment, with heavy emotional consequences.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Fits the conservative M.O. to a 'T'. You're a brave patriot R TROOPS until we see an actual person that walks in to the VA then gently caress off you lazy moocher. You're a precious angel worthy of any and all protections until you're actually born then get hosed you urban predator.

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!

BiggerBoat posted:

Conservatives would rather listen to the makers of a movie about sex trafficking than the actual victims of sex trafficking

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epvbyz/trafficking-survivors-and-advocates-are-being-harassed-by-sound-of-freedom-fans

It's been said a million times, but the cruelty is the point. And boy howdy do they love being cruel.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

https://twitter.com/davidhth/status/1688623282096926720?s=46&t=v69FFc9gmilk6I-vYnAGzw

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

What to the negro is the Fourth of July?

The greatest, most patriotic time of the year!

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Man they want so badly to be the true nonconformists don't they?
https://twitter.com/JUNlPER/status/1688757322036674560?t=XOBpzdRUcjCKIQsAmWGVbQ&s=19

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


What the gently caress kinda name...

Crunch Buttsteak
Feb 26, 2007

You think reality is a circle of salt around my brain keeping witches out?
If you think about it, a wife unconditionally submitting to her husband as is her proper place as his God-ordained helpmeet is the real punk rock

The Islamic Shock
Apr 8, 2021

BiggerBoat posted:

Conservatives would rather listen to the makers of a movie about sex trafficking than the actual victims of sex trafficking

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epvbyz/trafficking-survivors-and-advocates-are-being-harassed-by-sound-of-freedom-fans
Conservatives, claiming to do something to make lives better for a marginalized group of people, actually make things worse, refuse to acknowledge the people they say they want to help telling them it's making their lives worse, and at least at the top they know very well what they're doing while the rest of the voter base rubes eat it up.

Wait I forgot are we talking about trans bans everywhere or a movie

(at least they've mostly given up on saying the abortion ban is for women, it's harder to ignore people dying from a direct, physical, easily observable consequence of one's actions. I threw in observable because trans kids killing themselves is something they're never gonna admit a shred of responsibility for)

The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Aug 8, 2023

The Islamic Shock
Apr 8, 2021

Panfilo posted:

Man they want so badly to be the true nonconformists don't they?
https://twitter.com/JUNlPER/status/1688757322036674560?t=XOBpzdRUcjCKIQsAmWGVbQ&s=19
They need to feel persecuted without feeling any of the actual effects of persecution so they can feel like good little Christians. Probably why Trump's support goes up the more he gets charged with crimes since so much of it comes from people living vicariously through him.

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

Crunch Buttsteak posted:

If you think about it, a wife unconditionally submitting to her husband as is her proper place as his God-ordained helpmeet is the real punk rock

Along with working for the government to hunt down actual rebels.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Inspector Gesicht posted:

What the gently caress kinda name...

Gun video maker.

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

Inspector Gesicht posted:

What the gently caress kinda name...
"Garand thumb" is what you get when you don't handle an M1 Garand correctly and the bolt reminds your thumb about it.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
:qq:
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1688746099467796480?t=jHs-DtbvAF8yQ6bkE6yM6w&s=19

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

FFT posted:

"Garand thumb" is what you get when you don't handle an M1 Garand correctly and the bolt reminds your thumb about it.

Gerund Thumb….ing

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Levantine posted:

It's been said a million times, but the cruelty is the point. And boy howdy do they love being cruel.

True, but it's also the idea of We Know the REAL Truth that The Liberal Media (and all those pedophile reporters) won't tell you because we listened to a podcast or saw some YouTube videos. Or maybe we heard something in church. SImilar to the ways that there are countless reasons to dislike Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama but none of them involve chugging adrenochrome in underground pizza parlors, being a secret Muslim terrorist, the absence of a legitimate birth certificate or whatever Dinesh D'Souza talks about in his "documentaries".

The REAL truth is not that the thing that you personally experienced and know about. It's whatever dubiously sourced news articles and weird social media rabbit holes I went down tell me to think. Who the gently caress cares what all these anti american gay troops tell us about the horrors of war when all I have to do is look at the glory of US flag and watch Patton or Saving Private Ryan to know that's how real american heroes are made. By killing people.

In this article, we have an organization of actual victims of human trafficking having to defend themselves from people who watched a fictional movie bankrolled by conservative interests telling them that their reality is incorrect.

It loving sucks

The Islamic Shock posted:

Conservatives, claiming to do something to make lives better for a marginalized group of people, actually make things worse, refuse to acknowledge the people they say they want to help telling them it's making their lives worse, and at least at the top they know very well what they're doing while the rest of the voter base rubes eat it up.


Maybe next they can go talk to all those black/elderly/homeless Vietnam and Iraq war veterans to explain to them why the suffering, depression, poverty and PSTD they suffer from is made up because they saw a Chuck Norris or SLy Stallone movie. And since I mentioned it, I wonder how many of them would argue that the cops are the real heroes in First Blood.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Aug 8, 2023

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Also LOL at that Tweet because, yeah...in your face, libs!

Fuckin liberals HATE loving families, man! See this baby we didn't ABORT or sacrifice to Satan, you loving godless commies? Notice were a MAN and a WOMAN in love? Bet you all really hate seeing that and don't want it taught in schools! We celebrate Christmas too, you fuckers, but the media won't report how white, straight and in love we are!

Speaking as a leftist, one thing I genuinely despise is people expressing their love for each other and caring for children. Even more than war. More than anything, really. Disgusting.

I'm so Owned.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

BiggerBoat posted:

Maybe next they can go talk to all those black/elderly/homeless Vietnam and Iraq war veterans to explain to them why the suffering, depression, poverty and PSTD they suffer from is made up because they saw a Chuck Norris or SLy Stallone movie. And since I mentioned it, I wonder how many of them would argue that the cops are the real heroes in First Blood.

First Blood lives at a weird place in right wing perspective, as the antagonists in their own moment would have been recognized as such (as they're lazy, overly cruel goons as opposed to Are Hero Cops of today) and Rambo the suffering hero of war someone else lost.* Also, the national guardsmen called in later to deal with him as clear stand-ins for the not-quite draft dodger sorts who avoided service in the war by hiding in the guard or reserves, while chief antagonist Sheriff Teasle as a conflicted character who'd done right by America in an earlier war but fails to understand what Vietnam really was like (ie: a narrative of American heroes betrayed by the pinkos, peaceniks, and cowardly bureaucrats, all themes developed in the next movie).

*the actual tagline from First Blood Pt. II

Hollandia
Jul 27, 2007

rattus rattus


Grimey Drawer

Panfilo posted:

Lol apparently fascism is when you indict Trump, among other things.
https://twitter.com/CynicalPublius/status/1686742190490324993?t=kt10DTG5QlkoVLCzj54ybg&s=19
"I want to talk about fascism". No poo poo buddy, we could tell from your pfp

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

BiggerBoat posted:

Also LOL at that Tweet because, yeah...in your face, libs!

Fuckin liberals HATE loving families, man! See this baby we didn't ABORT or sacrifice to Satan, you loving godless commies? Notice were a MAN and a WOMAN in love? Bet you all really hate seeing that and don't want it taught in schools! We celebrate Christmas too, you fuckers, but the media won't report how white, straight and in love we are!

Speaking as a leftist, one thing I genuinely despise is people expressing their love for each other and caring for children. Even more than war. More than anything, really. Disgusting.

I'm so Owned.

Lol yeah. I feel it's the ultimate participation trophy in a way - they need to find a way to feel special and unique about things they feel are the everyday status quo. So they pretend like what they are doing is the real act of rebellion.

They also jump to the conclusion of liberals hating families because left leaning people tend to be more honest about choosing not to have children. So they follow that logic to it's extreme and simply assume leftists are hostile to people having kids. They also recycle the homophobic yarn of "they can't have children themselves so they have to brainwash yours". Leftists may be teachers, caregivers, therapists, entertainers, etc but that's just Wolf in Sheep's Clothing and definitely not the same as some fundie conservative who homeschools their eigjt children.

You'll also see them go back and forth on the eugenic angle-
:smug: "Pffft who cares if they identify as an attack helicopter they sterilized themselves and will self unalive their own ranks until they die out"
:ohdear: "Yeah but they simultaneously control the media, education, government, big business, big Pharms will just sissy hypno our kids into believing all their terrible marxism!"

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

There’s a sense in which “it’s all projection” is accurate, but it seems more accurate to me that they can’t imagine a world that isn’t 100% about indoctrination and control. So when they see education that isn’t the propaganda they want, they assume it must be propaganda meant to destroy them somehow, because all education is propaganda to them and the goal is to use it to destroy undesirables. Maybe that is just projection.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
Yeah, no, you're right. Projection is common but the fundamental issue is that conservatism - in all of its forms - has as one of its core ideas the assumption that life is a zero sum game. Any time two beings interact there is a dominant and a submissive party. Period. Conservatives fundamentally do not believe that genuine equality is possible. I'm not saying there isn't an element of projection, but this is really the fundamental reason why they always assume feminism means matriarchy and why gay rights meants heterosexual erasure, and so on. If women aren't being subjugated by men then the literal only alternative is that they are subjugating men.

Like it's the core disconnect and part of why liberal outreach tends to fail, and a big part of why they characterize liberals and leftists as naive and childish. There is a fundamental disconnect on the nature of reality and life between conservatives and other people. Equality is not undesirable to a conservative - indeed many may genuinely think it is a lovely fantasy - it is rather impossible. Like this is why a part of conservative morality is both learning your place and also learning to be a 'kind' master. Because the idea of 'learning to be one among equals' is absurd liberal claptrap that could never happen in the real world.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Panfilo posted:

Lol yeah. I feel it's the ultimate participation trophy in a way - they need to find a way to feel special and unique about things they feel are the everyday status quo. So they pretend like what they are doing is the real act of rebellion.

They also jump to the conclusion of liberals hating families because left leaning people tend to be more honest about choosing not to have children. So they follow that logic to it's extreme and simply assume leftists are hostile to people having kids. They also recycle the homophobic yarn of "they can't have children themselves so they have to brainwash yours". Leftists may be teachers, caregivers, therapists, entertainers, etc but that's just Wolf in Sheep's Clothing and definitely not the same as some fundie conservative who homeschools their eigjt children.

You'll also see them go back and forth on the eugenic angle-
:smug: "Pffft who cares if they identify as an attack helicopter they sterilized themselves and will self unalive their own ranks until they die out"
:ohdear: "Yeah but they simultaneously control the media, education, government, big business, big Pharms will just sissy hypno our kids into believing all their terrible marxism!"

All this.

Also, left leaning couples get married and have kids all the time.

I don't know what "in your face" type of point these idiots are trying to make.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

Yeah, no, you're right. Projection is common but the fundamental issue is that conservatism - in all of its forms - has as one of its core ideas the assumption that life is a zero sum game. Any time two beings interact there is a dominant and a submissive party. Period. Conservatives fundamentally do not believe that genuine equality is possible. I'm not saying there isn't an element of projection, but this is really the fundamental reason why they always assume feminism means matriarchy and why gay rights meants heterosexual erasure, and so on. If women aren't being subjugated by men then the literal only alternative is that they are subjugating men.

Like it's the core disconnect and part of why liberal outreach tends to fail, and a big part of why they characterize liberals and leftists as naive and childish. There is a fundamental disconnect on the nature of reality and life between conservatives and other people. Equality is not undesirable to a conservative - indeed many may genuinely think it is a lovely fantasy - it is rather impossible. Like this is why a part of conservative morality is both learning your place and also learning to be a 'kind' master. Because the idea of 'learning to be one among equals' is absurd liberal claptrap that could never happen in the real world.

Yeah while I know they are 100% contradictory and hypocritical some of the more annoying contradictions are that they act like open discourse is good and rational yet they aren't willing to actually play the game at all. Compare these two discussions:

:v: "I like Coca-Cola"
:shepface: "Well I prefer Pepsi, Coke hurts my teeth. "
:v: "I disagree but I can understand some people prefer a sweeter cola even though I don't."
VS.
:v: "I like Coca-Cola."
:shepface: "Well I prefer Pepsi, Coke hurts my teeth. "
:v: "That's because you have no idea what you are talking about. People just pretend to hate Coke to be edgy. But most Mature Rational Adults come around eventually."

Conservatives want to pretend their marketplace of ideas is the former discussion, but in actuality it's the latter. They can't conceive people having beliefs of equal conviction that are different from their own. So if others disagree, then it must be out of naivety, ignorance, willful defiance, or insanity.

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!

BiggerBoat posted:

All this.

Also, left leaning couples get married and have kids all the time.

I don't know what "in your face" type of point these idiots are trying to make.

I don't think they know either tbh. They want the benefits of being the underdog while actively placing their boot on everyone else they feel are lesser. Hypocrisy is a privilege.

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.

Panfilo posted:

Yeah while I know they are 100% contradictory and hypocritical some of the more annoying contradictions are that they act like open discourse is good and rational yet they aren't willing to actually play the game at all. Compare these two discussions:

:v: "I like Coca-Cola"
:shepface: "Well I prefer Pepsi, Coke hurts my teeth. "
:v: "I disagree but I can understand some people prefer a sweeter cola even though I don't."
VS.
:v: "I like Coca-Cola."
:shepface: "Well I prefer Pepsi, Coke hurts my teeth. "
:v: "That's because you have no idea what you are talking about. People just pretend to hate Coke to be edgy. But most Mature Rational Adults come around eventually."

Conservatives want to pretend their marketplace of ideas is the former discussion, but in actuality it's the latter. They can't conceive people having beliefs of equal conviction that are different from their own. So if others disagree, then it must be out of naivety, ignorance, willful defiance, or insanity.

Why do you hate RC Cola? Is it because you're a COMMUNIST SHILL WHO HATES THE FREEDOM REPRESENTED BY RC COLA?

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Crunch Buttsteak
Feb 26, 2007

You think reality is a circle of salt around my brain keeping witches out?

Panfilo posted:

Conservatives want to pretend their marketplace of ideas is the former discussion, but in actuality it's the latter. They can't conceive people having beliefs of equal conviction that are different from their own. So if others disagree, then it must be out of naivety, ignorance, willful defiance, or insanity.

Yeah, the end goal for conservative "debate" is just to browbeat the other person into shutting up, not to actually convince anyone of anything. In their view, people with different opinions either don't actually believe their opinions, or they're So Dumb and Goddamn Crazy, so they're either evil or a lost cause. Don't give them even an ounce of good faith, they're not going to change their minds, just do whatever it takes to get them to shut up, then claim victory.

They assume all political debate is like this, where policy changes only occur because one side was loud and scary enough so that the other side caved. All of those medical boards aren't recommending gender-affirming care because they actually think it's beneficial, it's all due to being screamed at by the extremely large and powerful Trans Lobby! That's gotta be it!

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