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NZAmoeba posted:Also if you quit or get fired, the company is supposed to pay out any unused vacation time. This is why they get antsy about some employees having many weeks of vacation banked, it's a big liability on the books. i believe it varies by state but not everywhere requires pto payouts. its a benefit, not an earned wage says the courts, so its discretionary
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gradenko_2000 posted:it's a very niche program that only a couple of tech companies have tried to implement and marketing it as a sort of "innovation" and progressive generosity to its employees. Worked at a place that had it specifically because people kept taking like, all the vacation time off right at the end of the year so they didn't "lose" it and it was causing problems, and honestly it worked fine and there wasn't really any social pressure not to, however this was a small company where everyone was reasonable so lol
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Ammanas posted:i believe it varies by state but not everywhere requires pto payouts. its a benefit, not an earned wage says the courts, so its discretionary Yeah nobody pays accrued PTO here lol
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gradenko_2000 posted:I thought Power Hour was when you take a swig of beer every minute for 60 minutes It's one American shot of beer, 1.5 fluid ounces every minute for 60 minutes
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I’ve done a Century before, which is a shot of beer every minute for 100 minutes, which works out to be about 8 beer in just over an hour and a half
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Ammanas posted:i believe it varies by state but not everywhere requires pto payouts. its a benefit, not an earned wage says the courts, so its discretionary lol America NZ courts are very clear on vacation time being part of your earned wage. Probably helps that there's a legal minimum (4 weeks) so it's classified that way as part of your wage, not something your betters deign to bestow upon you.
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjv3gm/grindr-tells-unionizing-workers-move-across-the-country-or-be-fired They're requiring a significant fraction of the work force to move to SF to go to the office. They don't currently have an SF office. e: Oh and the engineering team has to relo to Chicago, a city that javascript coders and devops types absolutely adore and will love living in
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BonHair posted:I always wondered about unlimited vacation, because over here the legal minimum is 5 weeks plus various holidays so everyone gets at least that: Is this unlimited vacation that you're not using with or without pay? I have a feeling it's without, but I really don't get how the American system works I will hit five weeks of vacation in my government job in another seven and a half years. That is considered very high by American standards, especially with the twelve days a year of sick time.
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Unlimited PTO always has 'as long as you get your work done!' as a clause, so it often turns into 'who can request the most pto first' cause if you're on a team of six and you're the third one to ask for two weeks off at christmas, you're hosed because you've got 50% more work to do since those first two will be out
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funktionærloven in denmark says up to 120 sick days in a 12 month period before they can fire you (with a month's severance) & they cant ask for a doctor's note until 14 days lol
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Jonny 290 posted:Unlimited PTO always has 'as long as you get your work done!' as a clause Regular PTO has that too
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My brother in law's employer just went over to an unlimited time off model but the contract he's on also changed to require more days/year at work so it's really just a stealth cut to time off.
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mawarannahr posted:it's cool when businesses slow down or close early in Turkey so people can go to Friday prayers
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Shame Boy posted:Regular PTO has that too you get a check with that kind if everything falls apart tho
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Jonny 290 posted:you get a check with that kind if everything falls apart tho Maybe you do, I sure don't
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you've left a job that has accrued PTO and you didn't get a payout of the unused pto at hour normal wage? if so you should have called an employment lawyer when that happened, easy open and shut there
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Jonny 290 posted:you've left a job that has accrued PTO and you didn't get a payout of the unused pto at hour normal wage? if so you should have called an employment lawyer when that happened, easy open and shut there We literally just went over how that's only true in some states but not others in this very thread lol
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Like here's an employment lawyer in my city saying "unless they specifically said they were going to, or they've done it as a policy, or you have a union that negotiated for it, they don't have to give you jack poo poo" https://www.employmentlawtampa.com/are-you-entitled-to-payout-of-vacation-time/
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America is like two, maybe three elections away from full corporate serfdom at this point.
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Biplane posted:America is like two, maybe three elections away from full corporate serfdom at this point. Agreed. Those elections happened in 1980, 1984, and 2000.
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Carthag Tuek posted:funktionærloven in denmark says up to 120 sick days in a 12 month period before they can fire you (with a month's severance) & they cant ask for a doctor's note until 14 days lol my state is at-will employment. my boss can walk through the door on any day and say "I don't like the color of your shoes" and I'd be out on my rear end. media likes to run scare stories about how employers can't fire people easy enough which is really telling considering how meagre the protections an employee has and that even these are considered by the business classes to be outrageous demands akin to expropriation, slavery, and communism
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Biplane posted:America is like two, maybe three elections away from full corporate serfdom at this point. Yeah pretty much. A dem is just a holding pattern, and once the fash gets back in office they're just gonna go hog wild.
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Ham Equity posted:I will hit five weeks of vacation in my government job in another seven and a half years. Your country is a joke. The aforementioned funktionærloven is a pretty drat good baseline all things considered. It came from the time when unions and the social democrats were in lockstep and worked to better society. It also sets a minimum that collective bargaining agreements will almost certainly improve on. Like, sick kid day one is pretty much standard, as is the sixth week of paid vacation. Government workers get two extra days off per kid under 8, and so forth. What I'm saying is that unions are good, and I hope that USA is on the brink of getting it, what with the strikes going on right now
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Shame Boy posted:Like here's an employment lawyer in my city saying "unless they specifically said they were going to, or they've done it as a policy, or you have a union that negotiated for it, they don't have to give you jack poo poo" Right, unlimited PTO is often a way for a company that currently does these things to gracefully pivot from accrual to non-accrual. Current employees agree to it because they see "unlimited" and the check they'll get for paying out the current accruals, but then it's unambiguously worse in ways they can't forsee going forward.
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PostNouveau posted:Right, unlimited PTO is often a way for a company that currently does these things to gracefully pivot from accrual to non-accrual. Current employees agree to it because they see "unlimited" and the check they'll get for paying out the current accruals, but then it's unambiguously worse in ways they can't forsee going forward. Sure, I'm just saying where I live we never had that to begin with lol
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PostNouveau posted:Right, unlimited PTO is often a way for a company that currently does these things to gracefully pivot from accrual to non-accrual. Current employees agree to it because they see "unlimited" and the check they'll get for paying out the current accruals, but then it's unambiguously worse in ways they can't forsee going forward. I've never worked anywhere where worker buy-in for these policies or benefits changes applied at all. Corporate announces the change, or makes you an offer during hiring and from there it's a Hobson's choice. You take the job or you don't.
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Shame Boy posted:We literally just went over how that's only true in some states but not others in this very thread lol Nobody wants to read anymore. skooma512 posted:Yeah pretty much. A dem is just a holding pattern, and once the fash gets back in office they're just gonna go hog wild. But doctor, the fash are in office!
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BonHair posted:What I'm saying is that unions are good, and I hope that USA is on the brink of getting it 
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The majority of americans have been pro-union forever (except in specifically and only 2009 for some reason, according to this) but, y'know, our government and all that
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Also lol at this paragraphquote:Union members' attachment to their union does not carry over to their jobs. Rather, the data show that workers who are union members are less engaged at work (27%) than are nonunion members (33%). Gallup defines employee engagement as the involvement in and enthusiasm of employees in their work and workplace. The engagement gap between union and nonunion workers could be significant to employers because highly engaged employees tend to be substantially more productive, less likely to leave and safer at work than their less engaged counterparts, and they tend to have better personal wellbeing.
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Look we're blocking you from unionizing because we want you to be safer at work, just like Gallup says!
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Coolness Averted posted:I've never worked anywhere where worker buy-in for these policies or benefits changes applied at all. Corporate announces the change, or makes you an offer during hiring and from there it's a Hobson's choice. You take the job or you don't. 
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My company will pay out accrued PTO but only if we give 3 weeks notice.
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Jonny 290 posted:https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjv3gm/grindr-tells-unionizing-workers-move-across-the-country-or-be-fired Chicago kicks the poo poo out of SF if they don't want to I'll do it
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I like that Sufjan Stevens album so now I want to move to Chicago without having ever been there
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BonHair posted:What I'm saying is that unions are good, and I hope that USA is on the brink of getting it, what with the strikes going on right now There's no real sizeable communist movement in the USA to ignite, lead and threaten. The American proles will do as they're told and the state will ensure it.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Agreed. Those elections happened in 1980, 1984, and 2000.
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