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Kikas posted:Man, those are unusually fast and spectacular photos compared to all of the recent "near-Moscow explosion" ones. Helps that this happened in a populated place with lots of stationary cameras and hundreds of people with phones around.
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Aug 9, 2023 13:17
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Worth noting that the town is an important place for the Russian Orthodox Church. It's home to its biggest monastery that is associated with the most venerated Russian Orthodox saint. Patriarch Cyril himself is the abbot there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_Lavra_of_St._Sergius
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Aug 9, 2023 13:31
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fatherboxx posted:Helps that this happened in a populated place with lots of stationary cameras and hundreds of people with phones around. And in daylight hours.
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Aug 9, 2023 13:37
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They also seem to of been taken maybe like a 15-30 seconds after the original explosion as well. There was clearly at least a bit of time for people to bring out their phones/cameras. With a cloud that big in a city during day time would of been weird if there weren't a bunch of shots from a bunch of angels out there.
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Aug 9, 2023 13:45
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Ukrainian forces conducted a raid across the Dnipro River in the Kherson region on Tuesday, attempting to land near the Russian-occupied village of Kozachi Laheri, Russian state media and military bloggers have claimed. https://www.cnn.com/webview/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-new-08-09-23
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Aug 9, 2023 13:45
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This is not how you convince the Russian public that the war is not worth fighting.
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Aug 9, 2023 13:47
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Cpt_Obvious posted:This is not how you convince the Russian public that the war is not worth fighting. How should one go about doing that then?
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Aug 9, 2023 13:51
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Cpt_Obvious posted:This is not how you convince the Russian public that the war is not worth fighting. This has to be pretty low on the priority list, tbh. Above bombing groceries and blood transfusion centers, but definitely below bombing military optics factories.
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Aug 9, 2023 14:12
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This is bad news for the daily Russian "should we continue the war in Ukraine?" referendum. One day public opinion will finally tilt to "no" and Putin will have no choice but to withdraw, but if Ukraine keeps doing things to defend their country it'll never happen!!
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Aug 9, 2023 14:15
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Cpt_Obvious posted:This is not how you convince the Russian public that the war is not worth fighting. This is a lost cause and it is impossible until there are several mobilization waves in coming 4-5 years If this was a drone strike (and not idiots at the pyro favtory), it was aimed at destroying a factory producing very valuable optics for Russian weapons.
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Aug 9, 2023 14:21
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Decorum and winning hearts and minds of the population of an oppressive fascist regime wins wars, not destroying their military and logistics
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Aug 9, 2023 14:24
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Cpt_Obvious posted:This is not how you convince the Russian public that the war is not worth fighting. Just more projection from a poster overlooking years of terror bombings of Ukrainian civilians. To be clear an optics factory making hardware for the war is a legitimate military target. wet_goods fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Aug 9, 2023 |
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Aug 9, 2023 14:41
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yeah but it leads to bad optics
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Aug 9, 2023 14:50
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If "the Russian public" had any say at all, the war would be over tomorrow.
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Aug 9, 2023 14:56
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:yeah but it leads to bad optics War in Ukraine CE: bombings may be harmful to optics
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Aug 9, 2023 15:00
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It's a warehouse owned by an optics factory but rented by a pyrotechnics factory. There are some videos and images floating around of shells on the ground but it could be from other places at other times. In any case renting a warehouse from another factory could imply expanded production and haphazardly expanding production at a fireworks factory to make artillery shells is probably a good way to get things to blow up. Speculation of course. Also I don't think any Ukrainian drone could possible have caused that explosion by itself. It's a massive explosion. Something in that building blew up albeit a drone could have set it off.
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Aug 9, 2023 15:01
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Dick Ripple posted:How should one go about doing that then? Lol seconded, what's the master plan here
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Aug 9, 2023 15:13
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I think the last time we won the hearts and minds of the enemy was in the war against Germany, by the means of overwhelming firepower. That tends to make people change their mind.
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Aug 9, 2023 15:18
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I don't think a warehouse full of fireworks is a legitimate military target regardless of who the landlord is. It does not reduce Russia's war capabilities in any way and all the people injured were civilians.
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Aug 9, 2023 15:21
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Cpt_Obvious posted:This is not how you convince the Russian public that the war is not worth fighting. It is how you limit the availability of optics for your already logistically challenged enemy. Nobody was trying to win any hearts and minds with this operation, if it even was an operation.
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Aug 9, 2023 15:25
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I don't think a warehouse full of fireworks is a legitimate military target regardless of who the landlord is. It does not reduce Russia's war capabilities in any way and all the people injured were civilians. I'm pretty sure the fireworks comment was a joke
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Aug 9, 2023 15:26
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I don't think a warehouse full of fireworks is a legitimate military target regardless of who the landlord is. It does not reduce Russia's war capabilities in any way and all the people injured were civilians. Provided they were not making ammunition. In any case Russian authorities are saying it was due to improperly stored pyrotechnics, Ukraine has not claimed responsibility and I have seen no videos or claims of Ukrainian
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Aug 9, 2023 15:30
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Nitrox posted:I'm pretty sure the fireworks comment was a joke quote:At least 31 people have been injured in an explosion north of Moscow at a warehouse containing pyrotechnics, the regional governor Andrei Vorobyov, said Wednesday.
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Aug 9, 2023 15:32
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Nitrox posted:I'm pretty sure the fireworks comment was a joke The local officials said that the explosion happened at a fireworks warehouse, but they didn't even blame it on Ukraine yet. For all we know, Ukraine may not be involved at all, accidents happen. Or it can be an attack on an actual military target that Russia doesn't want to confirm for some reason.
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Aug 9, 2023 15:32
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"Winning hearts and minds" is nonsense because Ukraine is not trying to conquer Russia and pacify the locals, and Russian people have no say in Putin's war. There is no free media and anyone who tries to oppose the government will go to either prison, exile or grave.
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Aug 9, 2023 15:34
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Clearly Ukraine should be interested in winning a narrative victory inside the Russian infosphere where they have to contend with the state teaching children that killing Ukrainians is a justifiable action.
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Aug 9, 2023 15:57
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I don't think a warehouse full of fireworks is a legitimate military target regardless of who the landlord is. It does not reduce Russia's war capabilities in any way and all the people injured were civilians. I would like to note that civilians taking photographs of the aftermath have spotted several empty artillery shells (as in, not yet filled with the bursting charge) that were thrown long distances by the explosion. They were not just making fireworks there. And also there is little reason to expect an Ukrainian hit yet, no-one heard or spotted incoming and small scale shell manufacturing is exactly the kind of poo poo where I'd expect industrial accidents that level buildings.
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Aug 9, 2023 15:59
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try bolding the "the regional governor Andrei Vorobyov, said" part and then ponder why you should have bolded that part for a lot longer than you apparently did with this line of posting
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Aug 9, 2023 16:01
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evilweasel posted:try bolding the "the regional governor Andrei Vorobyov, said" part and then ponder why you should have bolded that part for a lot longer than you apparently did with this line of posting An ironic username / post combo.
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Aug 9, 2023 16:02
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"pyrotechnics" is a large word that contains multitudes
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Aug 9, 2023 16:04
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FuturePastNow posted:"pyrotechnics" is a large word that contains multitudes I thought it specifically referred to fireworks?
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Aug 9, 2023 16:09
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FuturePastNow posted:"pyrotechnics" is a large word that contains multitudes Ja, that was my take as well.
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Aug 9, 2023 16:15
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evilweasel posted:try bolding the "the regional governor Andrei Vorobyov, said" part and then ponder why you should have bolded that part for a lot longer than you apparently did with this line of posting Oblast governors and Russia Today are to be taken completely uncritically, while Bellingcat and the New York Times only print what the CIA tells them to. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 9, 2023 16:28
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Tuna-Fish posted:I would like to note that civilians taking photographs of the aftermath have spotted several empty artillery shells (as in, not yet filled with the bursting charge) that were thrown long distances by the explosion. Post the pictures.
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Aug 9, 2023 16:41
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jarlywarly posted:I thought it specifically referred to fireworks? It can, but when I think of "pyrotechnics" I think of stuff like the explosives used for building demolition, mining, and separating rocket stages. It's a very wide and deep field plus I don't know what other meanings the Russian word they translated into that might have
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Aug 9, 2023 16:42
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Post the pictures. https://twitter.com/UKikaski/status...ingawful.com%2F I mean I know I’m engaging with a troll but first few seconds of this vid shows it
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Aug 9, 2023 17:04
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Kaal posted:If "the Russian public" had any say at all, the war would be over tomorrow. Latest polling suggests support for the "SMO" remains high among Russians with 76% saying they support the war. More want to continue the war (48%) than commence peace talks (45%) but those peace talks would probably include Russia keeping everything it's occupying because 61% seem to think the SMO has been successful. The war has had consistently high support among the Russian public, 70% - 80%, since the start per Levada Center polling I believe. Average Russians seem pretty solidly in favour of the war even now, although as the headline suggests they're obviously starting to feel the pain of sanctions/mobilization. https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/russians-are-split-over-benefits-military-action-ukraine
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Aug 9, 2023 17:15
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:yeah but it leads to bad optics 
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Aug 9, 2023 17:31
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Lassitude posted:Latest polling suggests support for the "SMO" remains high among Russians with 76% saying they support the war. More want to continue the war (48%) than commence peace talks (45%) but those peace talks would probably include Russia keeping everything it's occupying because 61% seem to think the SMO has been successful. The war has had consistently high support among the Russian public, 70% - 80%, since the start per Levada Center polling I believe. Average Russians seem pretty solidly in favour of the war even now, although as the headline suggests they're obviously starting to feel the pain of sanctions/mobilization. Levada does good work, but I don't think their surveys mean much of anything anymore. People can't be polled if they have a realistic fear that their answer will land them in prison. Russian public opinion has basically been the same thing for decades: "Just leave us alone". For all of Putin's effort to create a patriotic culture, I don't think he's succeeded at all. Certainly there are hardly any left who would willingly march on Ukraine at this point - and that includes their army which is well-known to have massive morale issues.
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Aug 9, 2023 17:39
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I don't think a warehouse full of fireworks is a legitimate military target regardless of who the landlord is. It does not reduce Russia's war capabilities in any way and all the people injured were civilians. Keep clutching those pearls buddy. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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