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Well, Phil is literally a boomer.
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Aug 9, 2023 03:32
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Is boomers liking the simpsons a stereotype now? That's a weird one.
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Aug 9, 2023 03:34
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Also boomers disliking comics is a new one to me. I'm pretty sure they fuelled almost the entire Silver Age?
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Aug 9, 2023 03:36
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Gen X was assigned into Boomers by Millennials and Millennials by Boomers. It's impossible to be born between 1965 and 1980 or to come of age along with the internet.
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Aug 9, 2023 03:59
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Everyone older than me is a boomer, everyone younger than me is a zoomer/gen-z/millennial/whatever
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Aug 9, 2023 14:24
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Improbable Lobster posted:It strikes me as very boomer and also very ugly to look at  GetDunked posted:Everyone older than me is a boomer, everyone younger than me is a zoomer/gen-z/millennial/whatever
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Aug 9, 2023 14:41
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The Foglios are deeply rooted in 70s/80s SF fandom; Phil’s first Hugo Award was for Best Fan Artist. So the humor is that sort of painful broad humor of the era. I don’t think they’ve been totally stuck there but I gave up on Girl Genius fairly early. But the SF fandom aspect is core, even if their first commercial work was in tabletop gaming.
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Aug 9, 2023 15:27
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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Aug 9, 2023 15:41
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There was another thread in PYF recently that went slightly wild and blamed Nodwick going away on the edition wars. Like... talk about small consequences. Maybe it went away because it was the exact same four character stereotype jokes repeated ad nauseam for like 30 years? All of those old Dragon Magazine comics were pure boomer humor and the jokes were generally "That cleric is a peacenik! I'm level 23 skidoo! Someone oughta put the kaiser on a D20 roll!" At least I guess Foglio stuff was bad in a 90s alt-comic sketchy way.
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Aug 9, 2023 17:49
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I dunno, Foglio's endless "This time we're gonna do Sex in D&D, ha, ha, ha, ha" in Dragon Magazine was Boomer AF and got soooo tiresome.
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Aug 9, 2023 17:57
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Foglio art just says "hey this is whimsical" in the same way the Penny Arcade guys' effort illustrations did. It's not something I'd seek out, but it beats out the boilerplate "corporate-fantasy" style because there's readable emotion in the faces and good use of color.
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Aug 9, 2023 17:57
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Nodwick "went away" into its own full comic book with an actual plot and was one of several comics that the creator was working on at the time. And Nodwick finished and has since been posted in its entirety on his site, while other stuff is still ongoing.
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Aug 9, 2023 17:59
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Boomers literally invented collecting comic books. I've got my stepdad's whole collection, which he kept in very good shape and it's worth a fair bit now. He's got Bloom County strips framed and hung on the wall and he has a Bill the Cat and an Opus plushie displayed in the loving living room. It's... bizarre, really. But he feels that he is owning the republicans with his displays of liberal humor in comic book form? I guess? Anyway yeah he's the one who bought me comics when I was a kid and taught me about Jack Kirby and Bernie Wrightson and Frank Frazetta. There's this thing right now where we rightfully blame the boomers for a lot of the country and world's problems but somehow also conflate that with the notion that the boomers are all conservatives. They aren't. There's a shitload of smugly impotent center-left liberal elderly in the country who are quite sure that they are successfully defeating the right by posting memes about Jack Smith on Facebook. Tons of elderly folks who grew up reading pulp science fiction and beat poetry and protesting the vietnam war. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Aug 9, 2023 |
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Aug 9, 2023 18:00
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Leperflesh posted:Boomers literally invented collecting comic books. I've got my stepdad's whole collection, which he kept in very good shape and it's worth a fair bit now. He's got Bloom County strips framed and hung on the wall and he has a Bill the Cat and an Opus plushie displayed in the loving living room. It's... bizarre, really. But he feels that he is owning the republicans with his displays of liberal humor in comic book form? I guess? Anyway yeah he's the one who bought me comics when I was a kid and taught me about Jack Kirby and Bernie Wrightson and Frank Frazetta. Yep, and they wrote a lot of boring-rear end RPG comics about how fighters are dumb and women are betitted. Like I dunno, I can't honestly say that stuff like KODT, Nodwick, Dork Tower, or What's New With Phil and Dixie is any different than other 80s and 90s independent comics stuff. I certainly don't miss the ones that are gone (KODT will somehow outlast entropy I'm pretty sure). theironjef fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Aug 9, 2023 |
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Aug 9, 2023 18:06
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Leperflesh posted:But he feels that he is owning the republicans with his displays of liberal humor in comic book form? My first introduction to politics, especially US politics, was reading Doonesbury strips in the paper.
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Aug 9, 2023 18:12
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Leperflesh posted:Boomers literally invented collecting comic books. I've got my stepdad's whole collection, which he kept in very good shape and it's worth a fair bit now. He's got Bloom County strips framed and hung on the wall and he has a Bill the Cat and an Opus plushie displayed in the loving living room. It's... bizarre, really. But he feels that he is owning the republicans with his displays of liberal humor in comic book form? I guess? Anyway yeah he's the one who bought me comics when I was a kid and taught me about Jack Kirby and Bernie Wrightson and Frank Frazetta. No one remembers how Bloom County predicted the Trump presidency.
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Aug 9, 2023 18:14
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you can't just call everything vaguely old you don't like "boomer poo poo"!!!!! you will regret this!!!!
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Aug 9, 2023 18:24
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Feels Villeneuve posted:you can't just call everything vaguely old you don't like "boomer poo poo"!!!!! you will regret this!!!! this is girl dinner, to me
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Aug 9, 2023 18:39
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Leperflesh posted:Boomers literally invented collecting comic books. Yeah, but a lot of the humor didn't age well.
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Aug 9, 2023 19:22
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Cessna posted:I dunno, Foglio's endless "This time we're gonna do Sex in D&D, ha, ha, ha, ha" in Dragon Magazine was Boomer AF and got soooo tiresome.
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Aug 9, 2023 19:28
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Subjunctive posted:My first introduction to politics, especially US politics, was reading Doonesbury strips in the paper. I grew up as a Canadian with an oddly-specific grasp on 90's American office culture and liberal politics thanks to the volume of Dilbert and Bloom County comics scattered around my house.
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Aug 9, 2023 20:09
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BinaryDoubts posted:I grew up as a Canadian with an oddly-specific grasp on 90's American office culture and liberal politics thanks to the volume of Dilbert and Bloom County comics scattered around my house. I got bad news about Dilbert…
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Aug 9, 2023 23:40
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I remember Bloom County fondly, though I think I found it by picking up the book with the funny penguin on it and getting some of the jokes, possibly from the local Bookmobile. While I am not sure how left it is by the standards of the present day, I can remember two places where the recurring cast spoke glowingly of Communism, so there is that.
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Aug 10, 2023 00:03
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Nessus posted:I remember Bloom County fondly, though I think I found it by picking up the book with the funny penguin on it and getting some of the jokes, possibly from the local Bookmobile. Bloom County was liberal for the time (which means some of it still ages badly, but that's comedy for you) and Breathed has kept to being left-leaning from the new stuff.
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Aug 10, 2023 00:24
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I'm 30 and all this talk about how bad old comix stuff sucks is breaking my heart. At least dump on R. Crumb a little 
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Aug 10, 2023 12:38
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Don't get him involved in this tumblr bullshit when his ideal woman is basically Rose Quartz. Also he's somehow still alive. Maybe having large women sit on your face is the key to immortality.
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Aug 10, 2023 13:30
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moths posted:Gen X was assigned into Boomers by Millennials and Millennials by Boomers. To be fair if you look at the political positions by age group Gen X actually isn't a thing; older Gen X are barely distinguishable from Boomers and younger Gen X are barely distinguishable from Millennials and the real generational divide is somewhere in the early 1970s.
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Aug 10, 2023 13:55
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sasha_d3ath posted:I'm 30 and all this talk about how bad old comix stuff sucks is breaking my heart. At least dump on R. Crumb a little
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Aug 10, 2023 14:23
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Foglio's work has always reminded me of 80's Mad/Cracked more than anything, which was absolutely Boomer bait.
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Aug 10, 2023 14:35
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Cessna posted:I dunno, Foglio's endless "This time we're gonna do Sex in D&D, ha, ha, ha, ha" in Dragon Magazine was Boomer AF and got soooo tiresome. I had forgotten that the Foglios are sex creeps.
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Aug 10, 2023 15:24
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Improbable Lobster posted:I had forgotten that the Foglios are sex creeps. I wouldn't call them sex creeps, unless there's some allegations about them getting touchy or something. Writing/drawing about sex in their work? Sure, but that doesn't make them sex creeps.
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Aug 10, 2023 15:26
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Don't get him involved in this tumblr bullshit when his ideal woman is basically Rose Quartz. Also he's somehow still alive. Maybe having large women sit on your face is the key to immortality. I take it you never saw how R Crumb illustrated non-white people huh
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Aug 10, 2023 15:28
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I remember reading Crumb's parodies of white supremacism and being not entirely able to distinguish them from works by A Wyatt Mann. Don't look either of them up if you're at work.
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Aug 10, 2023 15:30
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Arivia posted:I wouldn't call them sex creeps, unless there's some allegations about them getting touchy or something. Writing/drawing about sex in their work? Sure, but that doesn't make them sex creeps. AFAIK they aren't criminals or anything like that, but they are absolutely creepy when it comes to sexuality. I have a very vague memory of an interview or blog post where Foglio talked about wanting to share the porn comics they created with their children once they were 18. Even if I am misremembering Foglio is really skuzzy.
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Aug 10, 2023 15:32
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Improbable Lobster posted:AFAIK they aren't criminals or anything like that, but they are absolutely creepy when it comes to sexuality. I have a very vague memory of an interview or blog post where Foglio talked about wanting to share the porn comics they created with their children once they were 18. Even if I am misremembering Foglio is really skuzzy. That's nothing terrible? Maybe not something you want to share with your parents as a kid but nothing actually objectionable morally or legally.
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Aug 10, 2023 15:37
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Improbable Lobster posted:AFAIK they aren't criminals or anything like that, but they are absolutely creepy when it comes to sexuality. I have a very vague memory of an interview or blog post where Foglio talked about wanting to share the porn comics they created with their children once they were 18. Even if I am misremembering Foglio is really skuzzy. No, it's the opposite. They decided to pause the production of their porn comics magazine until their children were at least 18.
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Aug 10, 2023 15:38
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Improbable Lobster posted:I had forgotten that the Foglios are sex creeps. It’s me, the Foglio Defender and Girl Genius Enjoyer, delurking to white knight for my favorite silly cartoon man and woman. While their work can run the gamut from suggestive to cheesecake to outright pornography, to my knowledge they have always maintained a hard line about depicting sex as a matter of joyous enthusiastic consent and shied away from gritty troubling scenes. If there are incidents of them being creeps at conventions or something then I will be saddened to hear it but it’s news to me.
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Aug 10, 2023 15:39
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As far as I know, the Foglios are kinda creepy about sex, but not sex creeps. They're open about their kinks, they have no problem embracing sexuality in their work, but as far as I know they haven't actually been creeps about sex. They're to sexuality as the Addams Family is to the macabre. Edit: As far as I know, the "worst" thing they did was make a collectable card game based off of and named after their adult comic, that didn't have any nudity (and may not have been a good game anyways?). False bloody advertising right there. Randalor fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Aug 10, 2023 |
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Aug 10, 2023 15:45
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Arivia posted:That's nothing terrible? Maybe not something you want to share with your parents as a kid but nothing actually objectionable morally or legally. I never said it was objectionable or illegal, just creepy
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Now Ed Greenwood? That's a quality boomer sex creep!
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